Razorecko

lol i hope you have warranty on it than because after that previous 21yr old owner beats the crap out of it will you want to pay 3x the maintenance cost ? Thats what aggravates me about the used car market. In my mind if you cannot afford to maintain the car in tip-top than you cannot afford the car period. Either that or you better be a helluva' mechanic on the side

Max.H

I doubt anyone's car is a "freak." I think it's very possible to run the same times if not slightly better (depending on track conditions) in a different E55 that is optioned the same as mine. (same weight)


Just as reference. My car ran 11.9@118mph in stock trim. In less then optimum track conditions, +1,200 feet DA, and a decent 1.8 60 foot.

Improviz

NapperV, just curious: what sort of engineering did you do at GM, and in what discipline did you get your engineering degree?

itsmeek

Also, napperv- do you have pictures of your cars and bike? I love to see nice toys

lexaltezza

Some of you E55 guys lol. The caddy is an amazing machine for the price. They should have done a quad exhaust.

Also, here is a Motortrend review between the Cts-V and M5.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html

NapperV

I am a man. I don't jump through hoop for anyone.

You want pic perhaps if you PM me your email ...i have those


You want to know personal data , You will never know. hence why i know just how good the V is. All i'll say is i way intimately involved with Caddilacs V1 powetrain integration
and there "problems"


i already told you i'm off this site. But if only to monitor it.


To the persons e55 running 11.9 let us tear it down and see if it was stock.

I've never seen a E55 AMG even close to V.

And price. I'd rather have a Virgin than an multirider woman....same hold true for cars ...

Once again we at GM gave the Euro's the highest praise....but we knew we could do better.( better than before...Cadillac northstar motors weren't "reliable" like the pushrod V)

Then management mandated a M5 equivalent out of a exsisting plateform.
left before i saw the dream materialize.


and your 11.9 if you hope to catch me on the hwy( balance) you've been derestricted..so now we are both modded......good luck catching a Supercharged "modded" V


You do realize the V has a significantly smaller s/c than the Zr1.....had they only put the Zr1 motor in the V this would all be acedemic.


There is one mantra at GM....no division shall make a car that will outperform the Zo6
or Zr1


Do you know how oustanging of a ride...regardless of power the V is?
if i'm reiterating myself.....every where i've parked where an Euro elite has been nearby draws a strange , easily felt jealous barage of questons by their owners.

The LSA simplistict motor allow for alot more power. swapping s/c and adding traaditional "hot rod enhancment" would make this car even more of a beast....and yes the driveline and rear end along with extensive chasis development can Handle it.

Or do you not remeber the SCCA dominance of caddilac in its class from the previous generation CTS v

GM "usually" doesn't go backwards

Fact remains, when one of your German 4 doors runs its own track faster...the V overall
is the superior performance machine.


The beauty of s/c and turbo's is if the internals can handle it..hp is so very easy to come by. Eventually you'll likely see a turbo version


But in a chase around town stock for stock ,your best ,might keep up. But will never catch a V. It really wasn't desinged with autobahn racing in mind.

It was designed for American roads..


Wow the mere fact the its "ring" time and proclamation by half dozen rags that it is the 4 door luxo performance king, has you all in a a frenzy.

i worked also worked with Lsx design and the LS3 which the LS9 and LSA is based on..
you'll find to be a bulletproof pushrod motor.. the Magnaride Instantanios shock adjustments don't hurt either.

GM has focused its best attributes on the V.......it never really feels that fast cause its that decievingly good

We just go home, i'm gonna make love to my wife. now

Don't worry though i'll give you a thumbs up. So as not to bruise your wealthy ego's

don't bother come to the Caddilac section for V only, specifically 09+ V's

I didn't mean to work anyone up.....remember we loathe what othres have thats comparible to our own

My son he's a ranked bodybuilder..he tears up other great competitor in an effort to keep his edge this is a natural male competative response.


It reminds me of the real power mustangs/cobra's/ terminators/ and the newly desinged LS1
f-bodies ...they may have died..but Lutz was reluctant to admite his mistake

jealousey is an evil weed grown out of desparation
you think my 06 GTO with a reconstructed suspension and driveline and with itslowly LS2.....i hardly ever use n20 and the v is more car that this monster i built.( no not the drag GTO) the civil one...the wife will take the Z for a spin.

gotta keep this vehicles running alot of redundant electronics at work even when sitting

Good bye/ goodluck

But don't for an instant be surprised catch a V owner who is as experience as you...not some old foggy....and i promise you shall be impressed.

gentlemen

Zod

Thanks for the link...hmm strange that the ctsv is not faster in the ring...if we are comparing to their famous lap time...

Max.H

[QUOTE=NapperV;3551296]I am a man. I don't jump through hoop for anyone.

Nobody asked you to jump through hoops tough guy. Someone asked to see how your cars looked like. No need to get all defensive. If you are ashamed to show your vehicles then that's fine too.




To the persons e55 running 11.9 let us tear it down and see if it was stock.


That was me. I have one of a handful of 11 sec stock E55's... Why should I let you tear down my motor? That sounds retarded. What's in it for me? How's this. Why don't you or whoever put up enough money to make it worth my while first. But IMO, all it will take is a compression test, maybe pop off the valve covers, check pulley and ecu. Everything else is visible. I will make sure and capture this whole event on film and post it up right here in this thread and the GM sites you frequent. Sound like a plan?

I've never seen a E55 AMG even close to V.

Well since you are from another planet. I can see how that may be pose an issue. Try going on the site called DRAGTIMES.com and do a search on the CTS-V and the E55. Let me know how that works out for you. I actually like the V quite a bit. It's too bad you have such a horrendous internet demeanor. You are representing the GM brand in a very poor way. You should stop now. You are ruining it for some true GM fans, including myself.

Fantasm

Hey GM.

To go along with your new CTS-V design, how about making sure you don't f u c k me over when you go bankrupt. Make sure your share holders get carried over to the new corp.
I'm considering a CTS-V, sad thing is, my losses in GM stock would've paid for it in full.

Improviz

....sounds like he's a bull***** artist and a troll. He's an engineer, who would have been required as a part of his normal job function to write technical documents, and yet he can't spell his way out of a wet paper sack, has the grammatical skills of a ten year old, does not know the difference between "their", "there", and "they're", and of course refuses to list any of his credentials nor to post any pics of his vehicles. Horse hooey....anyone who's gullible enough to buy this crap should also go buy about 100,000 shares of GM stock.

Lastly, as he would type it: GM doesnt pay they're enginees enuff to a ford to reetire to Boca Raton and drive a few hunnered grandds worth of car's.

I say pics and credentials, or , five on a scale of one to five.

bobgodd

Technical writers write technical documents

Improviz

Come on, you surely don't think this guy is an engineer, do you? I'd be the last to claim flawless grammar and spelling on the part of engineers, but this is waaay beyond the pale. He couldn't have passed an intro English course with garbage like that....

Anyway, in our organization they write product specs, not technical documents.

Improviz

Well, maybe you should pull your head out of your @ss for a minute, wake up, and smell the coffee:

E55 AMG test, Car & Driver:
0-60: 4.5
0-100: 9.8
0-150: 23.1
12.6 @ 117

Another E55 AMG test, Car & Driver:
0-60: 4.3
0-100: 9.9
0-150: 24.5
12.5 @ 116

E55 WAGON test, Car & Driver:
0-60: 4.1
0-100: 9.7
0-150: 24.0
12.5 @ 114

CTS-V road test, Car & Driver:
0-60: 4.3
0-100: 9.7
0-150: ???
12.6 @ 116

Road & Track E55 AMG:
0-60: 4.2
0-100: 9.4
12.4 @ 116.4

Road & Track CTS-V manual/auto:
0–60 mph 4.1/3.9 sec
0–100 mph 9.5/9.2 sec
1/4 mile: 12.4 sec @ 115.9 mph/12.2 sec @ 116.1 mph

Motor Trend, E55:
0-60 mph 4.2
0-100 mph 9.7
1/4 mile: 12.39 @ 116.21

Motor Trend CTS-V auto/manual:
0-60 4.1 4.1
0-100 9.1 9.4
Quarter mile 12.3 sec @ 117.5 mph 12.4 sec @ 117.1 mph

The data plainly show that, your moronic commentary aside, the E55, which was first produced in 2003 (SIX YEARS ago), was plenty "close" to your 2009 CTS-V.

So, wow, isn't that special: GM released a car that can match an E55 in acceleration, a full SIX YEARS AFTER IT CAME OUT. Guess those "enginees" at GM studied the E55 and M5 well enough to build a competitor, six years after the fact! Woo hoo!!

This is not to take anything away from the CTS-V, which imo is an impressive car, and is hopefully better-built and more robust (rear diff) than the previous gen; unlike you, I don't feel the need to go insulting others' cars to feel good about my own. But for you to come in here and claim "superior" and all of this other crap when the car is a full six years later to market than the E55s is laughable.

Fastgreek

ONE HELL OF A CAR

willc55

+1

But he doesn't want to hear well reasoned arguments and facts, he wants to post unrelated drivel about some built GTO that he supposedly has, or sleeping with his wife.

PDC

Great dose of "reality" in this post. Thank you Improviz! I bet your average weekend warrior enthusiast behind the wheel of an E55 and a CTS-V would probably play nip and tuck all evening (til heatsoak set in to ruin the fun) without ever determining a clear and consistent "winner" between the two. I for one am not too proud to admit that I would probably play hell getting either my K2 E55 or a fresh and unmolested CTS-V to match these times, as I am not a professional driver. My reaction time is probably laughable. I cannot tell my fellow board members who track their cars and post their times how much respect I have for you guys. There are some real "put your money where your mouth is" folks on this board and that's what gives it such a sense of reality. Me? I just really love cars and I am a HUGE enthusiast. I know my limitations. But I'll bet posting a time around the 'ring has a heckuvalot more to do with the driver than the car. A pro with experience around that track is going to do better in a naturally aspirated, non modified C4S than I could ever do in a brand new GTR.

c32AMG-DTM

Excellent post and info - thanks for digging that up. The Mag's usually end up with pretty decent times IMHO, and these two are indeed neck-and-neck. Also reinforces that the very best times they could muster from a bone-stock-right-down-to-the-tires E55 was in the 12.4-12.6 range; running 11.7 with the same configuration would require a "freak-of-nature" motor, or running downhill at -2000 DA with a massive tailwind, or both... Either way, it's a hell of an accomplishment; don't anticipate that record to fall anytime soon.

Thericker

I can just imagine your ESL verbiage "Wife lay down, I am gonna mount you now, I am a man" What a lucky lady& a CTS-V in the driveway to boot

Razorecko

well from what you posted it seems like on the average the V is .3 faster to 60 than the e55. Now that doesnt sound like alot but that can be the difference between a 4 sec 0-60 and a sub 4 sec run.

VCA_AMG

Improviz

Actually, the average of the E55 sedans was 4.3 seconds, while the five CTS-V tests' average came in at 4.1. Difference: 0.2 seconds.

The E55 sedans also averaged 12.4725 seconds in the 1/4 to the CTS-V's 12.38. Difference: 0.0925 seconds, so by the 1/4 mile mark the E55s cut the 0-60 average by more than half.

But the traps tell the tale. The E55 sedans' average trap speed was 116.403 mph, while the CTS-V sedans' average trap speed was 116.52, a whopping 0.12 mph apart, which is statistically insignificant. Obviously, the difference here is more a function of the traction at launch (the V has an LSD, which gives it an edge off the line) than horsepower, as if the V had any marked difference in horsepower it would show up in the traps.

Anyway, it all adds up to show that the "enginee" doesn't have a fargin' clue, and is as I said a total BS'er and a troll, nothing more.

itsmeek

Troll, I can guarantee this guy does NOT have any of the cars he claims to have. Just some dumb kid coming here trying to start something. I LOVE the cts-v and also like the g8 pontiac personally- and am seriously considering the cts-v as my next car. But the quality of american cars is just not there yet.

Max.H

LoL, We gotta stay on high alert for posers and trolls. It's fun. But, it's a lot of work.

TMC M5

I think everyone here respects the CTS-v...what we don't respect is the sanctimonious comments on our "unpatriotic" purchases. He still has not addressed why he chose a Hayabusa over an American sport-bike such as a Harley V-Rod or a Buell 1125R? Maybe he would argue that those American bikes are fine, but the Hayabusa offers something those bikes do not.... which would align with the reasons why we purchased German high performance luxury machines over American "alternatives".... someone is just a wee bit hypocritcal....

Tom

NapperV

perhaps someone willl pm me with their email.....and i'll be hapy to show you all
the cars.

PS lower crank pully with 8.5 ring, retuned

Go on. engineers have assistants , well i did. probably why GM took the dump....

I'm gonna love showing the pics......GO ON...send an email. I will destroy its record after i send the pics....so long as you make sure you post i have what i have


ANYWONE???

I've had more ******** Amg and M's swerve at me in traffic....trying to provocte me....praytell. Is it because new i spent so much less and have an overall edge?
you are egotistit snobs.