jangy

The base tune would be the same, since it is supplied by Powerchip. The difference would be in the calibrations and what each tuner tells Powerchip they would like. Basically, EVOsport helped PC gather a load of data and then Vadim helped them learn about the TQ management that was being denied at the time by all tuners. Now, Powerchip has just learned more and they apply it to what they sell.

BTW, you can get that same tune through Powerchip directly or many other vendors as well. I like going through Vadim because i hold him accountable and he knows what the final product needs to be and not just looking for peak HP. He worked long and hard with Powerchip to refine the tune.

jangy

Your major players don't include powerchip or VRP? I hope you are talking about the 63 and not the 55k. I haven't studied the MKB and Brabus tunes. anyone here run them and have soime numers to show?

Lastly, I'd add Lorinser into the mix. They are pumping out MB products again.

Marcus Frost

E55Pilot,

VRP is a legitimate tuner, regardless if Powerchip does the actual encoding. VRP has been the one who has put together tunes based on their packages, whereas Powerchip on it's own does not make things like headers, pulleys, cams, etc. That's the main difference. To say VRP is just a resold Powerchip is simply incorrect.

I am extremely pleased with my VRP setup and have great dyno #s that show it makes good power. As soon as the tracks re-open the 55 is going to be backing up the dyno's with some good track data.

-m

MB_Forever

For some reason, Brabus is not big on the 55k platform Lately, they've just been stuffing the 730 hp 6.3 V12 engine into all platforms: E, CLS, C, etc.... with their own tuning with to go along with it. However, they do provide tuning for the 55k nonetheless, and even provide tuning and parts for the SLR, 65s, and almost every single Mercedes model.

acb3nz

Brabus :

Damn im so late in the thread someone has already mention it...

enzom

And you still have a motor? Congrats!

Busta Riles

I know this is OT, but that dark red is beautiful on your W208. Very nice!

Yacht Master

Awesome sig.

rarfinancial

Sounds like PC is a hardware co. They have shops tell them what and how the tune should be.. They have the tools to do the acual work and BAM a new tune. Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing so BACK OFF Just a thought.. With Renntech They do all tunning in house and with thier new Tunning you can switch from tunned to stock in just minutes via OBD11 Even email them your data to look at, they fine tune it aND email it back if it needs anything. Not yet for sale but I have it "THE BLOCK" THEY CALL IT. So easy to use and I can go from a track tune to a street tune in minutes..

jangy

In house? Which house? You are right that PC can play with many more parameters than RennTechn can. Put some actual hardware on and ask RennTech for a tune and see where that goes. It got me a blown motor and it was with their own pulley. Then, they (RennTech, NOT Creative) tried NUMEROUS times to tune the other cars (all 55ks) with NO improvements at all. The final verdict was that the car was overheating on the dyno and that a RennTech cooling system was in order. This was just before Vadim finally proved the TQ management issues. To this day I have yet to see a dyno of an '06 E55 (built in '06) with a RT tune that is good up top.

As for the block, yes it is cool. But, having an option to go to stock does me no good. Once the hardware is on, why would I go stock? The real interest would be in having multiple tunes and again, RennTech has not shown that they can do squat of late.

They did a good job on Angela's car, but what would all of that work cost any of us? If you are (which you are) the type to ship off your car and just have it tricked, then yes RT has the skills. But, if you are an enthusiast that enjoys the process itself then you would be better off dealing with Dyno Comp. Hmmmm, in house, huh?

acb3nz

Thank you sir for those kind words

I cant take credit for the sog since i didnt make it, thank you ne ways.

MB_Forever

Do you mean they can change more parameters in the ECU? I'm sorry but I don't think they can alter more parameters than RennTech or any other tuner for that matter. By the way, I've seen at least a couple of 2005 stage 1 RennTech E55s run at Famoso and at Fontana and one of them was performing a little better than a stage 2 Evosport/Powerchip.

Sometimes one wants a 109 octane tune for maximum performance on the track, then switch back to a 93 octane tune for the streets. Also, on the track, sometimes it helps to swap tunes to adjust for DA and weather conditions or even having a NOS tune and a non NOS tune, etc.....

I don't think he meant the actual install in house, but also the product development and production along with the tuning and such. You're absolutely right about RennTech being expensive, but like you also said, they got "skills". If you have the money, RennTech does a great job in my opinion. They did an unbelievable job on Angela's car. It beat all E55s at the track except for Mikey's but even he stated that her car feels faster than his, and that he's sure that it would've easily beat his car had he had enough time to run it a second time before the track closed. He drove both cars, and he knows.....

jikjak

what mods are on her car?

MB_Forever

The standard stage 5 stuff + a few secrets here and there

racetested

This company isn't a convenient option by any means as they have no US distributor but they appear to making some nice packages/cars. The problem is they don't seem to do custom tuning but just package tuning like Renntech, Kleeman, etc. from when I questioned about my car.

http://www.vaeth.com/tuning_modelle_...=e-klasse_w211

On a side note UPS shipping is priority for international(2-3 days for Europe) so downtime for an ECU shouldn't be much longer than a US tuner but a little more expensive.

If you don't speak German http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ is enough to use and translate with copying and pasting. I had to do the same with the full pdf parts list sent to me in German for my application.

rarfinancial

Yes Mo you are right about the BLOCK.. Let say you have a very strong tune By RennTech and you need to take you car in to the dealer for service they flash your ECU and you lose your tune not any more , Just plug the block in and in a few minutes BAM your RennTech tune is back Or lets say like Mo says you have a 93 octane tune for street but at the track you run a 100 octane tune again just plug in the BLOCK and BAM you have a 100 octane tune.. As for dynos, I have some very very strong #'s much higher than I see from others I would even go as far as to say it may be the highest CLS 63 #'s to date N/A & NOS.. I have not yet posted any sheet up but we will be hitting the dyno again Tuesday then I will Post the #'s lets just say the NOS #S WILL BE VERY VERY CLOSE TO THE 600 rwhp MARK I will also have a surprise DYNO sheet for all to see..
Jang I don't know anything about 55's tuning but I do know a lot about the
63's and I have yet to see any #s higher than what I just put down at the track and that was on 91 Of couse besides the BS but with all the mods the BS has It is the fastest 63 no matter what tune it runs.. Hey did you get the LT's Jang Come by I gotta see them man, I'm still on the hunt..

jangy

Angela's car is fast, and I don't even have an issue saying it is the fastest E55k in our fold. But an unbelievable job? Keep in mind that Angela's car had the internals (bottom end) rebuilt with nice parts. The difference between her car and Mikey's is HUGE and yet they were about the same. What does that tell you? Would you have ALL of your guts redone to a stage 5 level and yet be neck and neck with Mikey? No disrespect meant, since in our worlds, a fraction of a second can be HUGE, but it was a believable project. Also, I already noted that for clients that want to spend that kind of money and have such work done, then yes RT is great. I am not saying that their hardware is expensve (it is, but that isn't the issue). The problem is that they will not ncare as much about a client paying $10K total vs one having the car rebuilt.

jangy

Dude, that isn't a fair statement. Her car was already a stage 5. She is still running EVOSport cooling and all, maybe even their pulley. She also has the EVO modded exhaust, so RT did NOT go all out on her car.

jangy

I need to come by there. I've been lucky enough to be buried with work so I can't complain, but hey...

BENZGal

I have Renntech pulleys and as for the IC, that is Mikes advantage on me. LOL RT also had to redo my exhaust. The tech at evosport welded the clamp on the wrong side and it was hitting the heat shield. Too bad I had to send it to Florida to fix that two year noise complaint! My evosport mods were more expensive than my used block, shipping the car, and new RT mods. My car is similar to Mikes, but he actually has a few more mods. My car was built with a few different parts to make it stronger not faster. I have three more mods coming that should put it over the top.

As to your comment Jangy about RT not doing anything new? Does Vadim have a speedshift program? RT just had a 20th year in business celebration. I have a feeling they are doing more than you think and will weather the economy.

Edited to comment on tune.... I would NEVER recommend Powerchip to anyone. I enjoyed reading how it couldn't have happened to my engine but jcart had problems with his tune. I think they mentioned some sort of glitch. LOL

jangy

I don't blame you one bit. I do not know what actually happened and you and I have not discussed this, but my belief is that Powerchip did not know about the TQ management and was trying to adjust timing even on a rich tune. Either way, it is conjecture. Point is, you were obviously not taken care of and I can relate.

This isn't about whom you like. It is about what the tuners offer.

BENZGal

RT has a few new things. I wasn't trying to put down Vadim. Vadim has always been good to me and perhaps if I would have paid him for my original mods he would have worked long and hard on my tune. To stay on topic I still think PC stinks and is unpredictable as evident in jcarts post.

URnext

Just wanted to say the PC tune I have, especially the recently updated version I received last month, works great for me.

Just my .02

JT55

Don't know you but - Your car is done RIGHT!
Nice Job

JamE55

Can vouch for Kleemann here.