I know there's a lot of concern over failed airmatic components - are there any
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liner out etc.
Time to remove plastic clip. how does the danged thing come out.
Oh I see it breaks off.
Now I have it out and disconnected.
Next I removed the top ball joint apart from the support arm to swing the arm out.
I could not tell in the procedure if this was done.
Removed the air line and elec from top of strut
Removed lower bolt and with jack under wheel removed top 3 nuts.
Lowered the swing arm and removed the strut.
Found strut leaking oil from bottom but air bag appeared ok. Air will also leak out where oil leaks. There was no pressure in the bag and front totally collapsed.
New strut arrives this afternoon. Will install tomorrow assuming I can compress it enough to fit.
liner out etc.
Time to remove plastic clip. how does the danged thing come out.
Oh I see it breaks off.
Now I have it out and disconnected.
Next I removed the top ball joint apart from the support arm to swing the arm out.
I could not tell in the procedure if this was done.
Removed the air line and elec from top of strut
Removed lower bolt and with jack under wheel removed top 3 nuts.
Lowered the swing arm and removed the strut.
Found strut leaking oil from bottom but air bag appeared ok. Air will also leak out where oil leaks. There was no pressure in the bag and front totally collapsed.
New strut arrives this afternoon. Will install tomorrow assuming I can compress it enough to fit.
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Strut arrived promptly from Arnott. Nice job on strut. Only defect was broken plut on top of strut. Not enough to prevent use.
I had the top ball joint apart and lowered the lower control arm fully down. I released some of the pressure by plugging in the strut and connecting the battery with the upper A frame arm down to vent pressure.
I did not vent all the pressure.
After about 10 vents I inserted the lower end of the strut in the center of what years ago would be the lower A arm. Then I inserted the top into the hole and started the nuts. I pulled up the 3 nuts but left slack.
Then I used my 2 ton jack and a cut 2x4 to apply pressure to the bottom of the strut compressing it enough to pry it over the arm where it seats.
Then using a drift pin and the jack was able to line the hole up enough to start the bolt. I used the impact wrench to pull the bolt through to the opposite side then jack & drift again for alignment. The bolt drove through easily with impact and then tightened it all up.
Only potential issue was ball joint did not want to tighten up as it would turn in the ball socket. I jacked it up with the 2x4 under the rotor to apply pressure then tapped it with a hammer to seat it. Then it tightened up correctly.
Side note I used a puller to take apart the ball joint. I had a lot of pressure on the joint then used a 16 oz hammer for one smack on the joint and it popped apart.
Current status strut is in bolted down air/elec connected but still need to connect the lower wiring and repair the broken clip install the inner fender and tire.
Hopefully the ride hight will be correct.
NOTE: IF you have the strut arm hanging down and not in normal ride position when you tighten the lower strut bolt it is possible to have enough friction to prevent the system from attaining the correct ride height until things loosen up a bit. If you don't disconnect the ride height arm from the sensor there should be no change in ride height.
Thanks to all who contributed. vettdvr
I had the top ball joint apart and lowered the lower control arm fully down. I released some of the pressure by plugging in the strut and connecting the battery with the upper A frame arm down to vent pressure.
I did not vent all the pressure.
After about 10 vents I inserted the lower end of the strut in the center of what years ago would be the lower A arm. Then I inserted the top into the hole and started the nuts. I pulled up the 3 nuts but left slack.
Then I used my 2 ton jack and a cut 2x4 to apply pressure to the bottom of the strut compressing it enough to pry it over the arm where it seats.
Then using a drift pin and the jack was able to line the hole up enough to start the bolt. I used the impact wrench to pull the bolt through to the opposite side then jack & drift again for alignment. The bolt drove through easily with impact and then tightened it all up.
Only potential issue was ball joint did not want to tighten up as it would turn in the ball socket. I jacked it up with the 2x4 under the rotor to apply pressure then tapped it with a hammer to seat it. Then it tightened up correctly.
Side note I used a puller to take apart the ball joint. I had a lot of pressure on the joint then used a 16 oz hammer for one smack on the joint and it popped apart.
Current status strut is in bolted down air/elec connected but still need to connect the lower wiring and repair the broken clip install the inner fender and tire.
Hopefully the ride hight will be correct.
NOTE: IF you have the strut arm hanging down and not in normal ride position when you tighten the lower strut bolt it is possible to have enough friction to prevent the system from attaining the correct ride height until things loosen up a bit. If you don't disconnect the ride height arm from the sensor there should be no change in ride height.
Thanks to all who contributed. vettdvr
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Not sure why you had an issue with the upper ball joint. I just removed the three small nuts and bolts that sandwich it into the upper A arm. Even then it is a ***** to the the strut in. I got the upper part of the strut started and then stepped on the lower arm and bounced on it while my wife pushed the strut over the lower A arm and into place. I did not let any pressure out. On the first strut I srewed up, I used my SDS to let pressure out and went too far. Arnott was replace the new shock I messed up with no cost other than shipping.
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Not sure why you had an issue with the upper ball joint. I just removed the three small nuts and bolts that sandwich it into the upper A arm. Even then it is a ***** to the the strut in. I got the upper part of the strut started and then stepped on the lower arm and bounced on it while my wife pushed the strut over the lower A arm and into place. I did not let any pressure out. On the first strut I srewed up, I used my SDS to let pressure out and went too far. Arnott was replace the new shock I messed up with no cost other than shipping.
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Hi guys,
I just replaced my two front struts on my 2003 E500 with arnott struts. I live in Guam so there is no MB dealership here. There is a local shop that services MB's in the area and they installed my shocks. This was 3 weeks ago. Now I get the airmatic (vehicle with up arrow) visit workshop! warning on my display. The car is level and it responds to raising and lowering. I don't have STAR/DAS but I am considering getting it so that I can know whats going on with it. Did you guys reset the car after the struts were installed? If I dont have Star, how can I reset the computer? I have read that there is a secondary battery in the car that prevents you from powering the car down completely. Please help.
I just replaced my two front struts on my 2003 E500 with arnott struts. I live in Guam so there is no MB dealership here. There is a local shop that services MB's in the area and they installed my shocks. This was 3 weeks ago. Now I get the airmatic (vehicle with up arrow) visit workshop! warning on my display. The car is level and it responds to raising and lowering. I don't have STAR/DAS but I am considering getting it so that I can know whats going on with it. Did you guys reset the car after the struts were installed? If I dont have Star, how can I reset the computer? I have read that there is a secondary battery in the car that prevents you from powering the car down completely. Please help.
I have R-500 and I've replaced front passenger strut with the one from Arnott yesterday. Everything looks fine except the warning showing car with up arrow and visit workshop sign. I've seen the suggestion from forum member vettdvr that it should be a leak in the air system, so on Monday I will probably go to the dealer workshop, but is that the only possible reason? This message did not pop up before, though my old strut had a leak, and I was using the car while waiting for the replacement.
Your help is much appreciated!
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Hi everybody,
I have R-500 and I've replaced front passenger strut with the one from Arnott yesterday. Everything looks fine except the warning showing car with up arrow and visit workshop sign. I've seen the suggestion from forum member vettdvr that it should be a leak in the air system, so on Monday I will probably go to the dealer workshop, but is that the only possible reason? This message did not pop up before, though my old strut had a leak, and I was using the car while waiting for the replacement.
Your help is much appreciated!
I have R-500 and I've replaced front passenger strut with the one from Arnott yesterday. Everything looks fine except the warning showing car with up arrow and visit workshop sign. I've seen the suggestion from forum member vettdvr that it should be a leak in the air system, so on Monday I will probably go to the dealer workshop, but is that the only possible reason? This message did not pop up before, though my old strut had a leak, and I was using the car while waiting for the replacement.
Your help is much appreciated!
Thanx!
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Hi everybody,
I have R-500 and I've replaced front passenger strut with the one from Arnott yesterday. Everything looks fine except the warning showing car with up arrow and visit workshop sign. I've seen the suggestion from forum member vettdvr that it should be a leak in the air system, so on Monday I will probably go to the dealer workshop, but is that the only possible reason? This message did not pop up before, though my old strut had a leak, and I was using the car while waiting for the replacement.
Your help is much appreciated!
I have R-500 and I've replaced front passenger strut with the one from Arnott yesterday. Everything looks fine except the warning showing car with up arrow and visit workshop sign. I've seen the suggestion from forum member vettdvr that it should be a leak in the air system, so on Monday I will probably go to the dealer workshop, but is that the only possible reason? This message did not pop up before, though my old strut had a leak, and I was using the car while waiting for the replacement.
Your help is much appreciated!
There is only one air line and I reco you bubble test it with the compressor running to see if you find a leak. Don't over tighten it will strip out the plastic on the strut.
If you see no leaks check the right height sensor that connects to the upper arm on the suspension to make sure it isn't damaged.
If these are ok you may have a leak in the other strut.
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Mine had the warning also for a short time. After several starts and cycles it went off never to come on again. You didn't say if you had driven or how many cycles.
There is only one air line and I reco you bubble test it with the compressor running to see if you find a leak. Don't over tighten it will strip out the plastic on the strut.
If you see no leaks check the right height sensor that connects to the upper arm on the suspension to make sure it isn't damaged.
If these are ok you may have a leak in the other strut.
There is only one air line and I reco you bubble test it with the compressor running to see if you find a leak. Don't over tighten it will strip out the plastic on the strut.
If you see no leaks check the right height sensor that connects to the upper arm on the suspension to make sure it isn't damaged.
If these are ok you may have a leak in the other strut.
thanx for the prompt reply! Since strut replacement I had about 10 of short sides less than 50 km in total. The message is still there, and the suspension is in sport mode right from the start, and it doesn't switch to auto or comfort mode when I push the button, which is really strange...
Anyway, as you've advised, I will check the connection of airline and sensor, and will post here. Also I will see my mechanic on Monday, and he has special computer for checking the car (don't now how to name it properly :-)
BR
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Thank you very much - you're completely right - now everything is OK, and the problem was due to bad electrical contact of the new strut. The plug was not all the way in due to rubber insulation inside the socket, and that was the reason.
BR
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If both rear sides have dropped completly overnight is it unlikely both struts have failed or could the leak be coming from somewhere else?
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It is possible the air line is leaking and the accumulator has been known to have leaks on some cars.
When mine was down on both sides in the rear all I had to do was replace both airsprings. Total cost was only around $4000.
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2005 e500 4matic. Since my right front has failed, is at dealership. Can I drive it 60 miles home??
Thanks to all that just save me 1200!!! The Arnott should be here tomorrow.
Again, can I drive it 60 miles home without causing any other problems?
Thanks!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to all that just save me 1200!!! The Arnott should be here tomorrow.
Again, can I drive it 60 miles home without causing any other problems?
Thanks!!!!!!!!!
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Check your insurance to see if they cover towing/flatbed, even if they don't it will still be cheaper to have the car flatbed-ed and DIY installation of the Arrnot than what the dealer will charge.
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Here's a good laugh for everyone...Imagine my surprise when I'm reconnecting the negative terminal and hearing air squish out up front to deflate the shock and it stayed rock hard...Then being the genius I am finally notice after about 20 minutes of this that I hadn't removed the nut they ship screwed into the pneumatic opening...DOH...Got a lot easier after that...I'll probably get in trouble for this, but there is a 10% code over on benzworld for anyone needing new pieces. It covers anything on Arnott's site
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Here's a good laugh for everyone...Imagine my surprise when I'm reconnecting the negative terminal and hearing air squish out up front to deflate the shock and it stayed rock hard...Then being the genius I am finally notice after about 20 minutes of this that I hadn't removed the nut they ship screwed into the pneumatic opening...DOH...Got a lot easier after that...I'll probably get in trouble for this, but there is a 10% code over on benzworld for anyone needing new pieces. It covers anything on Arnott's site
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To avoid future confusion, the write up that everyone is referring to was contributed by user "Yacht Master" NOT "Yachtmaster". Both users exist. His post is not broken out in a separate DIY, rather is attached to the first page of this thread. Here it is:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...there-any.html
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It's on page 1 of this thread!
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