Need advice: E55 vs E63 purchase
04-21-2009, 10:25 PM
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this thread is funny. "Buick like" lol. I have a C6 400 HP corvette and a 425HP Jeep SRT8. My E63 will whoop both of those. I'm wondering what those would be considered? Model T like????
04-22-2009, 12:45 AM
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Once again? LOL!! Compare 60 foot times of the two and tell me you want some from a dig. True, the 55k has the TQ to spin them hard, but it doesn't take much to learn to lay it down. 10 inch rims with 295s helps me.
You have never raced an E55 have you? From a roll, especially higher in speed, the 63 shines. The E55 is a dig car.
04-22-2009, 05:40 AM
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Once again? LOL!! Compare 60 foot times of the two and tell me you want some from a dig. True, the 55k has the TQ to spin them hard, but it doesn't take much to learn to lay it down. 10 inch rims with 295s helps me.
You have never raced an E55 have you? From a roll, especially higher in speed, the 63 shines. The E55 is a dig car.
You have never raced an E55 have you? From a roll, especially higher in speed, the 63 shines. The E55 is a dig car.
AND DONT LOOK AT 60FT TIMES OF THE FASTEST CARS LOOK AT ALL THOSE 55'S WITH THE ****TY TIMES AND U TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PUT THE TQ TO THE PAVEMENT CORRECTLY ???????????
04-22-2009, 08:47 AM
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I'm not sure why the 55 guys are so defensive I guess because the 55 looks older or something so they look for whatever it has over the 63 to make it better. In all cases it would be the small margin of torque it has over the 63. Keep in mind the 63 guys can do the same thing with HP if we wanted. The bottom line is 465LBS of torque is still a ton. There are not a lot of cars on the road that come with 507HP and 465LBS of torque. The 63 is a monster no matter how you put it. So is the 55. Granted, the 55 isn't any faster than the 63. The 63 is just a lot more refined. To the thread holder. The 63 is a perfect combination of comfort and speed if you ask me. I can compare it to my vette and Jeep. Both of those cars have rough rides to them. The 63 has a rough ride compared to my Wife's Lexus GX470 but it is nice to get in it and not get bounced all over the place like the Jeep and Vette. Like I said it is fast, handles awesome and has a perfect ride if you ask me. Hit the sport mode and it tightens the suspension up a bunch. Mercedes set out to make the 55 better. They did with the 63.
04-22-2009, 09:33 AM
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Awesome ... thanks for all the replies!
Like my last Benz ... it's a car I plan to keep for a long time.
Sounds like either will do what I want and will please aethetically. The E55 sounds compelling and unique with the blower. The NA 63 sounds like just a beast, that I'll wager someone will make a bi-turbo kit for down the road that the 7speed won't be able to handle but something I'd probably never do.
Can anyone tell me ... is the 55's engine/components strong enough to handle all the hp/tq that it can be boosted to put out?
How many have blown their motors or drive trains?
Does this car need the extended warranty ? How many of you know your service tech's children by name?
Like my last Benz ... it's a car I plan to keep for a long time.
Sounds like either will do what I want and will please aethetically. The E55 sounds compelling and unique with the blower. The NA 63 sounds like just a beast, that I'll wager someone will make a bi-turbo kit for down the road that the 7speed won't be able to handle but something I'd probably never do.
Can anyone tell me ... is the 55's engine/components strong enough to handle all the hp/tq that it can be boosted to put out?
How many have blown their motors or drive trains?
Does this car need the extended warranty ? How many of you know your service tech's children by name?
04-22-2009, 09:41 AM
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I say drive them both! Then go from there....I think the E63 will be a better buy because N/A motors have less problems down the road. Both are different in a way but I like the 5.5 supercharged motor, Personally! Do you plan to keep it long? What are they going for if you don't mind me asking?
I say drive them both! Then go from there....I think the E63 will be a better buy because N/A motors have less problems down the road. Both are different in a way but I like the 5.5 supercharged motor, Personally! Do you plan to keep it long? What are they going for if you don't mind me asking?
The supercharged 55 sounds compelling ... but so does the NA 63 with that incredible motor/trans combo.
Prices are fairly consistent in these parts.
I'm seeing '05-'06 55's in the low-mid 30's with 40-50k miles on them.
I found an '05 55 with less than 12000 miles for high 30's asking.
I have my eye on a loaded (Prem1 and Prem2 packages) '07 63 with a $48K asking price with 30K miles.
How do these prices sound. What sounds like the best deal?
04-22-2009, 09:47 AM
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Can anyone tell me, what's special about a DESIGNO paint package?
One car I'm looking at has "Designo Silver" and I'm wondering what this includes.
For those that are telling me to drive them ... I would, but where I'm from, these cars don't exist in any numbers. All cars I'm looking at are 2-3 hours away . 4-6hrs round trips. So that's really why I'm looking for a lot of personal inputs and impressions, both driving and aesthetics wise.
One car I'm looking at has "Designo Silver" and I'm wondering what this includes.
For those that are telling me to drive them ... I would, but where I'm from, these cars don't exist in any numbers. All cars I'm looking at are 2-3 hours away . 4-6hrs round trips. So that's really why I'm looking for a lot of personal inputs and impressions, both driving and aesthetics wise.
04-22-2009, 10:35 AM
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I'm not sure why the 55 guys are so defensive
Well, lets look at a few of your comments and figure it out. I started this topic as unbiased as I could be (read my first post), then all the 63 holy talk started...
....In all cases it would be the small margin of torque it has over the 63...
It isn't small. Learn to accept it. Numbers on paper don't tell the tale. Itisn't about max TQ, its about TQ in the band. No 63 pulls like a 55k
Keep in mind the 63 guys can do the same thing with HP if we wanted. Really? Well, I won't even go into it with you but you are off. The 63 is nowhere near as mod friendly as a 55k.
Granted, the 55 isn't any faster than the 63.
Keep hitting that pipe to make you feel better. Even Stock, the E55 takes the E63 by 2/10s in tnhe quarter. Always did and we even had AMG acknowledge it.
The 63 is just a lot more refined.
How so? Nicer seats? LOL!!
I can compare it to my vette and Jeep. Both of those cars have rough rides to them.
In that case, yes the E63 is very refined (much like a Buick).
Mercedes set out to make the 55 better. They did with the 63.
Well, lets look at a few of your comments and figure it out. I started this topic as unbiased as I could be (read my first post), then all the 63 holy talk started...
....In all cases it would be the small margin of torque it has over the 63...
It isn't small. Learn to accept it. Numbers on paper don't tell the tale. Itisn't about max TQ, its about TQ in the band. No 63 pulls like a 55k
Keep in mind the 63 guys can do the same thing with HP if we wanted. Really? Well, I won't even go into it with you but you are off. The 63 is nowhere near as mod friendly as a 55k.
Granted, the 55 isn't any faster than the 63.
Keep hitting that pipe to make you feel better. Even Stock, the E55 takes the E63 by 2/10s in tnhe quarter. Always did and we even had AMG acknowledge it.
The 63 is just a lot more refined.
How so? Nicer seats? LOL!!
I can compare it to my vette and Jeep. Both of those cars have rough rides to them.
In that case, yes the E63 is very refined (much like a Buick).
Mercedes set out to make the 55 better. They did with the 63.
04-22-2009, 10:37 AM
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FROM A DEAD STOP YES AND YES IVE BEATEN 55'S MAINLY DOING LIGHT TO LIGHTS IN NY STREETS . THE ROLL PART IVE ONLY GOTTEN FROM WATCHING VIDEOS AND NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF RUNNING INTO ONE ON THE HIGHWAY BUT IF I DO ILL MAKE SURE TO GIVE U THE REPORT .
You do that. There are plenty of E55s from NY on this board. Why not meet up with them and see how you do vs the old man you caught in his? Light to Light, I'll take your money all day.
AND DONT LOOK AT 60FT TIMES OF THE FASTEST CARS LOOK AT ALL THOSE 55'S WITH THE ****TY TIMES AND U TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PUT THE TQ TO THE PAVEMENT CORRECTLY ???????????
You do that. There are plenty of E55s from NY on this board. Why not meet up with them and see how you do vs the old man you caught in his? Light to Light, I'll take your money all day.
AND DONT LOOK AT 60FT TIMES OF THE FASTEST CARS LOOK AT ALL THOSE 55'S WITH THE ****TY TIMES AND U TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PUT THE TQ TO THE PAVEMENT CORRECTLY ???????????
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HAH!! Since you want personal responses, here is another. You see the various attitudes in this thread? Well, it is basically consistent with the drivers. E63 owners = M5 owners.
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Test drive them both and see which you prefer.
I greatly prefer the E55 for it's torque which also makes it the perfect choice for around town driving. Oh, and it isn't too shabby for those 180MPH highway runs either.
Luxury and civility are identical between the E55 and E63 but there were a few "updates" in the E63. Knowing I wanted an E55 (for the engine, brakes, and tranny), I fitted it with the E63 parts that I thought were an improvement....the front bumper/grill assemblies, the rear trunk spoiler, and a sport steering wheel fitted with E63 paddles. Now I have the best of both worlds and rid the E55 of its slightly dated looks. I also like the seats but as you can't get Dynamic seats in the E63, that rules out that swap.
I greatly prefer the E55 for it's torque which also makes it the perfect choice for around town driving. Oh, and it isn't too shabby for those 180MPH highway runs either.
Luxury and civility are identical between the E55 and E63 but there were a few "updates" in the E63. Knowing I wanted an E55 (for the engine, brakes, and tranny), I fitted it with the E63 parts that I thought were an improvement....the front bumper/grill assemblies, the rear trunk spoiler, and a sport steering wheel fitted with E63 paddles. Now I have the best of both worlds and rid the E55 of its slightly dated looks. I also like the seats but as you can't get Dynamic seats in the E63, that rules out that swap.
04-22-2009, 11:09 AM
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The E55 will win races for you but the E63 will stay in one piece on your daily commute. I love the M113 but it's not the most reliable motor in the world. Everyone here has replaced their intercooler pump. EVERYONE.
04-22-2009, 11:46 AM
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Most IC pumps were replaced under warranty by MB. The pump itself has gone through a couple of part number supercessions, and no one is reporting any difficulties with the latest version of the pump.
Speaking of parts issues, aren't most E63s having brake issues - squeaking that can't be eliminated, replacements of pads and rotors, etc.?
Of course, neither of the above MB issues were anything close to the V10 M5s and M6s cratering their transmissions left and right . . . .
Let's be honest. All complex, expensive cars are going to have a few issues at some point. My E55 just turned 50K miles and has yet to require anything other than routine maintenance. Now my CPO warranty has kicked in and continues to cover me for the next two and half years. It's all good.
Just get a CPO vehicle, whether you get an E55 or an E63.
Speaking of parts issues, aren't most E63s having brake issues - squeaking that can't be eliminated, replacements of pads and rotors, etc.?
Of course, neither of the above MB issues were anything close to the V10 M5s and M6s cratering their transmissions left and right . . . .
Let's be honest. All complex, expensive cars are going to have a few issues at some point. My E55 just turned 50K miles and has yet to require anything other than routine maintenance. Now my CPO warranty has kicked in and continues to cover me for the next two and half years. It's all good.
Just get a CPO vehicle, whether you get an E55 or an E63.
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Most IC pumps were replaced under warranty by MB. The pump itself has gone through a couple of part number supercessions, and no one is reporting any difficulties with the latest version of the pump.
Speaking of parts issues, aren't most E63s having brake issues - squeaking that can't be eliminated, replacements of pads and rotors, etc.?
Of course, neither of the above MB issues were anything close to the V10 M5s and M6s cratering their transmissions left and right . . . .
Let's be honest. All complex, expensive cars are going to have a few issues at some point. My E55 just turned 50K miles and has yet to require anything other than routine maintenance. Now my CPO warranty has kicked in and continues to cover me for the next two and half years. It's all good.
Just get a CPO vehicle, whether you get an E55 or an E63.
Speaking of parts issues, aren't most E63s having brake issues - squeaking that can't be eliminated, replacements of pads and rotors, etc.?
Of course, neither of the above MB issues were anything close to the V10 M5s and M6s cratering their transmissions left and right . . . .
Let's be honest. All complex, expensive cars are going to have a few issues at some point. My E55 just turned 50K miles and has yet to require anything other than routine maintenance. Now my CPO warranty has kicked in and continues to cover me for the next two and half years. It's all good.
Just get a CPO vehicle, whether you get an E55 or an E63.
My car has never, ever had a mechanical problem of any kind, and there were just as many tranny issues when the AMG Speedshift was introduced.
04-22-2009, 12:06 PM
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I'm not sure why the 55 guys are so defensive I guess because the 55 looks older or something so they look for whatever it has over the 63 to make it better. In all cases it would be the small margin of torque it has over the 63. Keep in mind the 63 guys can do the same thing with HP if we wanted. The bottom line is 465LBS of torque is still a ton. There are not a lot of cars on the road that come with 507HP and 465LBS of torque. The 63 is a monster no matter how you put it. So is the 55. Granted, the 55 isn't any faster than the 63. The 63 is just a lot more refined. To the thread holder. The 63 is a perfect combination of comfort and speed if you ask me. I can compare it to my vette and Jeep. Both of those cars have rough rides to them. The 63 has a rough ride compared to my Wife's Lexus GX470 but it is nice to get in it and not get bounced all over the place like the Jeep and Vette. Like I said it is fast, handles awesome and has a perfect ride if you ask me. Hit the sport mode and it tightens the suspension up a bunch. Mercedes set out to make the 55 better. They did with the 63.
04-22-2009, 12:08 PM
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FROM A DEAD STOP YES AND YES IVE BEATEN 55'S MAINLY DOING LIGHT TO LIGHTS IN NY STREETS . THE ROLL PART IVE ONLY GOTTEN FROM WATCHING VIDEOS AND NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF RUNNING INTO ONE ON THE HIGHWAY BUT IF I DO ILL MAKE SURE TO GIVE U THE REPORT .
AND DONT LOOK AT 60FT TIMES OF THE FASTEST CARS LOOK AT ALL THOSE 55'S WITH THE ****TY TIMES AND U TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PUT THE TQ TO THE PAVEMENT CORRECTLY ???????????
AND DONT LOOK AT 60FT TIMES OF THE FASTEST CARS LOOK AT ALL THOSE 55'S WITH THE ****TY TIMES AND U TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PUT THE TQ TO THE PAVEMENT CORRECTLY ???????????
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I had no doubt the debate between the 55 and 63 would elicit a heated debate, which is logical being that you all obviously love your choice, which tells me I could probably be perfectly happy with either.
I'm curious what you all think of the pricing I'm seeing?
Good? Bad? These are the general asking price points from low 30's to high 40's. I'd assume paying at least 5-10% less.
I'm curious what you all think of the pricing I'm seeing?
Prices are fairly consistent in these parts.
I'm seeing '05-'06 55's in the low-mid 30's with 40-50k miles on them.
I found an '05 55 with less than 12000 miles for high 30's asking.
I have my eye on a loaded (Prem1 and Prem2 packages) '07 63 with a $48K asking price with 30K miles.
How do these prices sound. What sounds like the best deal?
I'm seeing '05-'06 55's in the low-mid 30's with 40-50k miles on them.
I found an '05 55 with less than 12000 miles for high 30's asking.
I have my eye on a loaded (Prem1 and Prem2 packages) '07 63 with a $48K asking price with 30K miles.
How do these prices sound. What sounds like the best deal?
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I didn't make mention of the weak cast pistons in the M113 or the fact that it has the heat sinking abilities of our sun, but now that you mention it....
Like I said, great motor but you have the potential of running into some problems. Heat management being the first and foremost of these. Nobody ever said that sandwiching an intercooler in between the motor and blower was a good idea.
Like I said, great motor but you have the potential of running into some problems. Heat management being the first and foremost of these. Nobody ever said that sandwiching an intercooler in between the motor and blower was a good idea.
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I didn't make mention of the weak cast pistons in the M113 or the fact that it has the heat sinking abilities of our sun, but now that you mention it....
Like I said, great motor but you have the potential of running into some problems. Heat management being the first and foremost of these. Nobody ever said that sandwiching an intercooler in between the motor and blower was a good idea.
Like I said, great motor but you have the potential of running into some problems. Heat management being the first and foremost of these. Nobody ever said that sandwiching an intercooler in between the motor and blower was a good idea.
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Anyhoo, JustPete I hope you are getting what you'd like out of this thread. i have a feeling it is about to get a bit fun in here until we get bored or it gets shut down......
