Race coming up. My car VS older CTSV with magnusson. What cha think
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Race coming up. My car VS older CTSV with magnusson. What cha think
Been working with a local dyno guy and he is a total gearhead like many of us.
Really cool guy who was telling me about his Caddy.
Be interesting to run them and was wondering what you guys thought of this matchup. It's pretty cool, he has some strong points and so do I.
His car:
CTSV running 10.5 to 1 compression ratio LS6 and he has added a Magnusson SC so he can't run tons of boost. Claims with tuning, he has it up to 482 wheels while my car pulled bout 460 or so on his dyno. Chicago X and I are working on it some more tonight (keep in mind, I am a mile high roughly, with DA's that run 5-6K) 460 or so is a good thing up here.
My Car: He claims it has mountains of torque compaired to his
CTSV runs 3.73's stock from factory
Mine: 2.82's from SL diff in rear.
CTVS stick 6spd while mine is auto
3.73s and a stick should mean kill city on me from a dig correct?
From a roll, what do you guy think? Claims he's had it up near 200mph approaching 6th or in 6th....I forgot.
Anyway, if he does bring it tonight and we have some fun, I'll try to get it on vid.
Really cool guy who was telling me about his Caddy.
Be interesting to run them and was wondering what you guys thought of this matchup. It's pretty cool, he has some strong points and so do I.
His car:
CTSV running 10.5 to 1 compression ratio LS6 and he has added a Magnusson SC so he can't run tons of boost. Claims with tuning, he has it up to 482 wheels while my car pulled bout 460 or so on his dyno. Chicago X and I are working on it some more tonight (keep in mind, I am a mile high roughly, with DA's that run 5-6K) 460 or so is a good thing up here.
My Car: He claims it has mountains of torque compaired to his
CTSV runs 3.73's stock from factory
Mine: 2.82's from SL diff in rear.
CTVS stick 6spd while mine is auto
3.73s and a stick should mean kill city on me from a dig correct?
From a roll, what do you guy think? Claims he's had it up near 200mph approaching 6th or in 6th....I forgot.
Anyway, if he does bring it tonight and we have some fun, I'll try to get it on vid.
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from a dig you'll take him EASILY...i've yet to see a cts-v that can launch worth a damn! from a roll i'd bet it will depend on who gets the jump (at least until higher speeds where you should start to pull) and how well he can shift.
can't wait for the vids!
can't wait for the vids!
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I'm assuming this is an LS6 CTSV, in which case I think his higher RPM performance would be better than yours, and he has more gearing as well.. I think from a roll he might have you. It's going to be ridiculously hard for him to launch that thing with the clutch/power/gears, so from a standstill, you should murder him.
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http://www.dragtimes.com/Cadillac-CT...slip-8131.html
Here is a CTS-V LS6 with Magnusson S/C running 11.8s @ 121+mph with 482rwhp. Not sure how your higher altitude would affect these #'s.
I think you will take him from a dig (from what I understand those cars are difficult to launch...and somewhat brittle) and should initially pull him from a roll. He will probably start pulling on you as speed builds past 100mph.
Good luck!!
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Here is a CTS-V LS6 with Magnusson S/C running 11.8s @ 121+mph with 482rwhp. Not sure how your higher altitude would affect these #'s.
I think you will take him from a dig (from what I understand those cars are difficult to launch...and somewhat brittle) and should initially pull him from a roll. He will probably start pulling on you as speed builds past 100mph.
Good luck!!
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dig will depend on if he comes out with a tire or not. on street tires that thing won't take off as fast as your car. i too think that he may beat you from a roll.
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Is it a Lingenfelter? I own one. Does he have the 7.0 liter with 11.5:1 pistons or just the stock motor with a bolt on Magnusen? Full 7.0L plus Magnusen would be the only way that car is going 10.50's plus he is gonna need a perfect run in perfect conditions on E/T Streets or full slicks. Lets put it this way, mine only goes high 11.3's on R compound street tires and I have all the suspension work, frame work and rear-end to help my launch. If this is a street race you will tear him up, he's not going to find any traction, he will be spinning or hopping or both. Climb under the car to see if he is running stock suspension and check for sub-frame connectors (red paint or rattle can black over the red), he will need those as well. If no sub-frame connectors he does not stand a chance. If he has aftermarket suspension and sub-frame work car his car is most likely more tweaked than he is letting on. If it is the same Magnusen Lingenfelter uses he should only be making about 435-450rwhp (at best), and that is with cat back system and a good ECU tune and intake mods. If he is running the 7.0 plus Magnusen under low boost he will be making north of 600 at the wheels, it is a sick motor, but he is still going to have a hard time with you on the street. At a well prepped track and with him on slicks you dont stand a chance. Sounds to me like he has the big boy, otherwise he would not be measing with you...either that or he just does not have a clue.
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No no, nothing like that Jim. Just a stocker LS6 with magnusson.
No other real mods besides tuning.
CTSV's came factory with sticks?? How cool!
No other real mods besides tuning.
CTSV's came factory with sticks?? How cool!
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No, they did not come with slicks...at least mine did not. If it is a stock LS6 with a Magnusen bolted on and exhaust you should be able to beat him at the strip and definetly on the street, it is an 11.7-11.9 second car. If that really is all he has done to his car it does not run 10.50's. He is lying to you about his mods if he runs 10.5's I'll bet my life on it. Roll-ons are a diferent story 50-150 he will most likely beat you easily, the problem with the V's are they are difficult to launch, they they either spin or hop, if you manage to get traction they hop all over. I also bet my life he has sub-frame work he is not mentioning, no way in hell is he running 10.5's with stock rear-sub frame assembly and suspension.
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No, they did not come with slicks...at least mine did not. If it is a stock LS6 with a Magnusen bolted on and exhaust you should be able to beat him at the strip and definetly on the street, it is an 11.7-11.9 second car. If that really is all he has done to his car it does not run 10.50's. He is lying to you about his mods if he runs 10.5's I'll bet my life on it. Roll-ons are a diferent story 50-150 he will most likely beat you easily, the problem with the V's are they are difficult to launch, they they either spin or hop, if you manage to get traction they hop all over. I also bet my life he has sub-frame work he is not mentioning, no way in hell is he running 10.5's with stock rear-sub frame assembly and suspension.
Jim said "sticks" as in manual gearbox. I thought the same thing and had to read it a second time.
Jim also said 10.5 to 1, I think he meant the compression of the engine...trying to say that the dude wasn't going to run too much boost with such a high compression engine.
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If that really is all he has done to his car it does not run 10.50's. He is lying to you about his mods if he runs 10.5's I'll bet my life on it.
I also bet my life he has sub-frame work he is not mentioning, no way in hell is he running 10.5's with stock rear-sub frame assembly and suspension.
I also bet my life he has sub-frame work he is not mentioning, no way in hell is he running 10.5's with stock rear-sub frame assembly and suspension.
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You will have a BIG advantage from a dead stop as the CTS-V has serious wheel hope issues that all the braces and delrin bushings in the world can't get rid of. Once you induce the hop in the V, it is all over and you have to back out to regain traction.
We had a V in the stable and sold it after 6 months because of this (and many other equally stupid issues).
Exploit your opponents weakness and you will win.
We had a V in the stable and sold it after 6 months because of this (and many other equally stupid issues).
Exploit your opponents weakness and you will win.
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jrcart:
Jim said "sticks" as in manual gearbox. I thought the same thing and had to read it a second time.
Jim also said 10.5 to 1, I think he meant the compression of the engine...trying to say that the dude wasn't going to run too much boost with such a high compression engine.
Tom
Jim said "sticks" as in manual gearbox. I thought the same thing and had to read it a second time.
Jim also said 10.5 to 1, I think he meant the compression of the engine...trying to say that the dude wasn't going to run too much boost with such a high compression engine.
Tom
10.5:1 is the stock compression for the LS6 I beleive, Lingenfelter can bring up to 11.5:1 and still run a low boost Magnusen charger. I am still questioning the 482rwhp, the most I have seen out of a Magnusen on an LS6 V is 450rwhp, cat-back, intake, ECU and throttle body mods, most of them come in around the 435 mark.
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Jim, I think the post may have confused you and other members. When he said 10.5 to 1 I think jackpro is referring to the compression ratio...Please correct me if wrong.
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Ah...I need to hone up on my reading skills, now I got it...I was gonna say, no way is he running 10.50's and yes, 6-speed manuals were the only way they came.
10.5:1 is the stock compression for the LS6 I beleive, Lingenfelter can bring up to 11.5:1 and still run a low boost Magnusen charger. I am still questioning the 482rwhp, the most I have seen out of a Magnusen on an LS6 V is 450rwhp, cat-back, intake, ECU and throttle body mods, most of them come in around the 435 mark.
10.5:1 is the stock compression for the LS6 I beleive, Lingenfelter can bring up to 11.5:1 and still run a low boost Magnusen charger. I am still questioning the 482rwhp, the most I have seen out of a Magnusen on an LS6 V is 450rwhp, cat-back, intake, ECU and throttle body mods, most of them come in around the 435 mark.
Check out the link to the dragtimes slip in my first post in this topic. The guy lists a bunch of mods for his CTS-V with Magnusson S/C and it put down 482+rwhp on a Dynojet.
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Just in case, here is a link
http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...r-package-m112
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Jim, as I previously stated if he is making 482 there is more done to his car than he is letting on.
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