e55 to c63 downgrade?
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The pros and cons of both cars are pretty apparent, especially since you own a 55. Do you want less room, better handling, cheaper interior IMO, and less low end power? If you say yes to those, then go with the C63. I'm not trying to be cynical but those are the major differences between the 2 that stick out to me.
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From a raw performance standpoint you probably won't miss the extra torque. The C63 is just as visceral as an E55 but the feedback is significantly better. Better brakes, steering, handling. Significantly better gearbox but the drawbacks are of course the shoddy interior (with the exception of the seats, which can be very narrow but are really nice) as well as the fact that IT'S A C-CLASS, and doesn't even hold the limited prestige of a BMW 3-Series. You're also losing a lot of room and trunk space, not sure about the sound system but from what I remember of the E55 the audio wasn't exactly stellar.
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From a raw performance standpoint you probably won't miss the extra torque. The C63 is just as visceral as an E55 but the feedback is significantly better. Better brakes, steering, handling. Significantly better gearbox but the drawbacks are of course the shoddy interior (with the exception of the seats, which can be very narrow but are really nice) as well as the fact that IT'S A C-CLASS, and doesn't even hold the limited prestige of a BMW 3-Series. You're also losing a lot of room and trunk space, not sure about the sound system but from what I remember of the E55 the audio wasn't exactly stellar.
Come on I love most your posts but your bashing the C63 for being lower than a 3 series is a little much.
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as well as the fact that IT'S A C-CLASS, and doesn't even hold the limited prestige of a BMW 3-Series.
Impressive enough for a "C-Class" ?
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I could probly park my C63 next to your $90,000 M5 and people will compliment it 100x more. Sure the interior might not be a big deal, but who buys a performance car and expect to have a real luxury interior. Not to mention with just $1500 for a Kleeman tune it will smoke any M5 or M6. And stock it will easily keep up with your godly M5
Impressive enough for a "C-Class" ?
Impressive enough for a "C-Class" ?
Simply not the case. It can keep up with a tune.. but it will need atleast some bolt ons and the transmission tuning to smoke any M5 or M6.
A tuned C63 will trap from 116 to 118. Tune and bolt ons.. 118 to 120. Like the Renntech package or Kleemann. Still not smoking any M5 or m6 since those cars trap 118 stock.
Youtube M5board.com events....
Did you watch a DKG M3 with supersprint exhaust and chip out pull a C63. Did you watch a stock E55 kill the C63 on the high end..
Love the C63, but it has 2 weak gears... 6th and 7th and its over weight.
C63 Stock it will keep up to any car up to about 100.. after than the E55 will pull away and the M5 will run away. (all cars being stock)
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you lost me when you referred a C63 smoking a M5 with a ECU tune.
Simply not the case. It can keep up with a tune.. but it will need atleast some bolt ons and the transmission tuning to smoke any M5 or M6.
A tuned C63 will trap from 116 to 118. Tune and bolt ons.. 118 to 120. Like the Renntech package or Kleemann. Still not smoking any M5 or m6 since those cars trap 118 stock.
Youtube M5board.com events....
Did you watch a DKG M3 with supersprint exhaust and chip out pull a C63. Did you watch a stock E55 kill the C63 on the high end..
Love the C63, but it has 2 weak gears... 6th and 7th and its over weight.
C63 Stock it will keep up to any car up to about 100.. after than the E55 will pull away and the M5 will run away. (all cars being stock)
Simply not the case. It can keep up with a tune.. but it will need atleast some bolt ons and the transmission tuning to smoke any M5 or M6.
A tuned C63 will trap from 116 to 118. Tune and bolt ons.. 118 to 120. Like the Renntech package or Kleemann. Still not smoking any M5 or m6 since those cars trap 118 stock.
Youtube M5board.com events....
Did you watch a DKG M3 with supersprint exhaust and chip out pull a C63. Did you watch a stock E55 kill the C63 on the high end..
Love the C63, but it has 2 weak gears... 6th and 7th and its over weight.
C63 Stock it will keep up to any car up to about 100.. after than the E55 will pull away and the M5 will run away. (all cars being stock)
Referencing M5board.com videos = Failure at the highest level
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you lost me when you referred a C63 smoking a M5 with a ECU tune.
Simply not the case. It can keep up with a tune.. but it will need atleast some bolt ons and the transmission tuning to smoke any M5 or M6.
A tuned C63 will trap from 116 to 118. Tune and bolt ons.. 118 to 120. Like the Renntech package or Kleemann. Still not smoking any M5 or m6 since those cars trap 118 stock.
Youtube M5board.com events....
Did you watch a DKG M3 with supersprint exhaust and chip out pull a C63. Did you watch a stock E55 kill the C63 on the high end..
Love the C63, but it has 2 weak gears... 6th and 7th and its over weight.
C63 Stock it will keep up to any car up to about 100.. after than the E55 will pull away and the M5 will run away. (all cars being stock)
Simply not the case. It can keep up with a tune.. but it will need atleast some bolt ons and the transmission tuning to smoke any M5 or M6.
A tuned C63 will trap from 116 to 118. Tune and bolt ons.. 118 to 120. Like the Renntech package or Kleemann. Still not smoking any M5 or m6 since those cars trap 118 stock.
Youtube M5board.com events....
Did you watch a DKG M3 with supersprint exhaust and chip out pull a C63. Did you watch a stock E55 kill the C63 on the high end..
Love the C63, but it has 2 weak gears... 6th and 7th and its over weight.
C63 Stock it will keep up to any car up to about 100.. after than the E55 will pull away and the M5 will run away. (all cars being stock)
Anybody who would take a 4-5 year old 55 over a new or CPO C63 would be nuts IMO. Bottom line a C63 is gonna be the least expensive route to a mid-low 11 second car. A year ago this was not the case, but now it is fact.
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Sorry bro, several of your comments are dead are wrong, there are several C63's running 11.5-11.6 trapping in the low 120's with ECU tunes and DR's, and a couple of them running 11.3-11.4's with not much more done to them. Do you know how much work it takes to get an M5 to run an 11.5, let alone an 11.3? A helluva lot more than an ECU tune, I can tell you that much. I'm getting pretty sick of the 55 is King garbage, I thought I put that theory to bed months ago. My car can hot lap consitant 11.3 on motor and 11.0's on a 100 shot of nitrous. There were at least 15 55's at Famoso in January and I think only one of them went quicker than me on motor only (by less than 1/10th and my lowly 63 had the quickest and fastest MB pass of the day...I ran 5 11.0's pretty much back to back to back. Prices on 63 parts are dropping ever since the introduction of the higher production C63.
Anybody who would take a 4-5 year old 55 over a new or CPO C63 would be nuts IMO. Bottom line a C63 is gonna be the least expensive route to a mid-low 11 second car. A year ago this was not the case, but now it is fact.
Anybody who would take a 4-5 year old 55 over a new or CPO C63 would be nuts IMO. Bottom line a C63 is gonna be the least expensive route to a mid-low 11 second car. A year ago this was not the case, but now it is fact.
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I wouldn't consider it a downgrade but more like a "different-grade" switch. Of course it's smaller with less comfort. But it's a car you can toss around nicely and still have tons of grunt. So if you want that sort of driving then go for it.
And who gives a sh*t what other people think. Please don't buy a car to impress somebody else. That's so friggin' stupid.
And who gives a sh*t what other people think. Please don't buy a car to impress somebody else. That's so friggin' stupid.
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I wouldn't consider it a downgrade but more like a "different-grade" switch. Of course it's smaller with less comfort. But it's a car you can toss around nicely and still have tons of grunt. So if you want that sort of driving then go for it.
And who gives a sh*t what other people think. Please don't buy a car to impress somebody else. That's so friggin' stupid.
And who gives a sh*t what other people think. Please don't buy a car to impress somebody else. That's so friggin' stupid.
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i race both car and drive both cars. and i cant tell you my friend with his
stock c63 was abusing the m5 from 10-100
now if you do a rolling go at 100 to 140 the m5 will pass the c63 by 3-4 cars.
now my tuned c63 pulls from 40-140 about 5-6cars on the stock c63
on the m5 only say 2-3
stock c63 was abusing the m5 from 10-100
now if you do a rolling go at 100 to 140 the m5 will pass the c63 by 3-4 cars.
now my tuned c63 pulls from 40-140 about 5-6cars on the stock c63
on the m5 only say 2-3
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Jim, I think the fastest C63 with a tune and drag radials was Andy's (MHP) C63 and he could not break into the 11s. I think he managed a few 12.0 to 12.1 consistently. The ones running 11.4 to 11.6 are with tune, drag radials, headers (some short and some long), air box or exhaust, etc.... Andy's car ran 12.8 stock by the way, so with drag radials and tune only, the C63 is capable of knocking off at least 1/2 a second off 1/4 mile time.
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tough choice....
for trade-in money, u can upgrade navi to 2010 model, alcantara everything, bigger brakes, new rims, etc.... and keep driving 55....
or with c63, new car, new feel, better handling, enuf power, etc...
for trade-in money, u can upgrade navi to 2010 model, alcantara everything, bigger brakes, new rims, etc.... and keep driving 55....
or with c63, new car, new feel, better handling, enuf power, etc...
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I could probly park my C63 next to your $90,000 M5 and people will compliment it 100x more. Sure the interior might not be a big deal, but who buys a performance car and expect to have a real luxury interior. Not to mention with just $1500 for a Kleeman tune it will smoke any M5 or M6. And stock it will easily keep up with your godly M5
Impressive enough for a "C-Class" ?
Impressive enough for a "C-Class" ?
OP: I don't think you can go to wrong with the upgrade to a newer C63..
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Here was a video posted by a member of a Tuned C63 vs. Stock M5....stock is not much different until 100-120mph.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4718vN0kL3M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4718vN0kL3M
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Downgrade upgrade who cares what other people think. Threads like this will only start arguments. You should test drive it then make a decision. IMO I doubt the C63 will disappoint you as far as performance goes. If you can do with a smaller cabin then go for it! Make sure post pics if you get one. GL
Here is my 2 cents on this comparison.
Is it a downgrade? Yes C < E
Build quality? E55
Straight line speed? E55
Handling? C63
Outside Appearance? C63. It looks aggressive and menacing. E55 looks classy and slightly aggressive.
Interior? E55. It's more comfortable and spacious. C63 has newer controls and good looking bucket seats but, still feels like a C class.
Fun factor? C63 overall
Wow factor? E55
Exhaust note? C63
Here is my 2 cents on this comparison.
Is it a downgrade? Yes C < E
Build quality? E55
Straight line speed? E55
Handling? C63
Outside Appearance? C63. It looks aggressive and menacing. E55 looks classy and slightly aggressive.
Interior? E55. It's more comfortable and spacious. C63 has newer controls and good looking bucket seats but, still feels like a C class.
Fun factor? C63 overall
Wow factor? E55
Exhaust note? C63
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Jim, I think the fastest C63 with a tune and drag radials was Andy's (MHP) C63 and he could not break into the 11s. I think he managed a few 12.0 to 12.1 consistently. The ones running 11.4 to 11.6 are with tune, drag radials, headers (some short and some long), air box or exhaust, etc.... Andy's car ran 12.8 stock by the way, so with drag radials and tune only, the C63 is capable of knocking off at least 1/2 a second off 1/4 mile time.
Ditto.
The fastest C63 on youtube I have see is a Renntech and they guy paid alot of money.. for his tuning and parts.
Not just an ECU tune.
Back to my point.. a ECU tuned C63 will not smoke a M5 or M6. It will hang or even edge it out.. but thats about it. The deeper into 3 digits.. the less it will be able to pull.
Just the fact. The gearing is the biggest weakness to the 7sp auto.
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Ditto.
The fastest C63 on youtube I have see is a Renntech and they guy paid alot of money.. for his tuning and parts.
Not just an ECU tune.
Back to my point.. a ECU tuned C63 will not smoke a M5 or M6. It will hang or even edge it out.. but thats about it. The deeper into 3 digits.. the less it will be able to pull.
Just the fact. The gearing is the biggest weakness to the 7sp auto.
The fastest C63 on youtube I have see is a Renntech and they guy paid alot of money.. for his tuning and parts.
Not just an ECU tune.
Back to my point.. a ECU tuned C63 will not smoke a M5 or M6. It will hang or even edge it out.. but thats about it. The deeper into 3 digits.. the less it will be able to pull.
Just the fact. The gearing is the biggest weakness to the 7sp auto.
im sorry man but it very possible that a ecu tuned c63 can smoke a m5 on the highway 4-5 cars. and if you start from a dig, the m5 has NO chance.
i know this b/c my bestfriend has a m5. and i have raced other m5 and beat them by more.
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+1 ... Gustav has vids of BMW wins and losses but shows only the wins or he used to. We may dislike Gustav because he only posts wins and thats his perogative but there are vids he has where the beloved M loses. He is starting to post more of those too.
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I could probly park my C63 next to your $90,000 M5 and people will compliment it 100x more. Sure the interior might not be a big deal, but who buys a performance car and expect to have a real luxury interior. Not to mention with just $1500 for a Kleeman tune it will smoke any M5 or M6. And stock it will easily keep up with your godly M5
Impressive enough for a "C-Class" ?
Impressive enough for a "C-Class" ?
edit: I also agree with most of Max H.'s assessment with the exception being that I don't believe the wow factor is higher on the C63.
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Well, since facts and figures are what some of you like the best. Chew on these from drag times .com
There are 7 C63's in the 11's with the fastest being a 11.48, at 121mph
There are 2 E63's in the 11's with the fastest being a 11.95
There are 3 CLK63, all black series, with Jcart at a 11.60 at 123
Now, get ready for it
There are 66 E55's in the 11's with the fastest at 10.74 at 132
The jury rests your honor
See yeah
There are 7 C63's in the 11's with the fastest being a 11.48, at 121mph
There are 2 E63's in the 11's with the fastest being a 11.95
There are 3 CLK63, all black series, with Jcart at a 11.60 at 123
Now, get ready for it
There are 66 E55's in the 11's with the fastest at 10.74 at 132
The jury rests your honor
See yeah
