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Old 06-19-2009, 10:40 PM
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Here we go tons of header pics they are about 90% finished. These will have a chance at fitting a lot of AMG's I will do some test fitting next week on E55's SL55, CLS55, CLK55. The cat pipes will be different from car to car though. Enjoy guys -Hooley





























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Here we go tons of header pics they are about 90% finished. These will have a chance at fitting a lot of AMG's I will do some test fitting next week on E55's SL55, CLS55, CLK55. The cat pipes will be different from car to car though. Enjoy guys -Hooley




























They look good to me
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Oh I forgot before anyone else gets a chance:

what grade steel?

what's the firing order?

what's the warranty?

what size are the primaries?

what size is the collector?

how much hp will I gain?

how much tq will I lose?

blah blah blah blah blah

now that those questions are out of the way keep us in the loop on how the finished product turns out.
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With this design build off the firing order and M113 AMG engine specs they should killer. I going to make some slight changes for the headers for E55's. Once we punch in the specs off the 55k motor it will tell the tail if changes need to be made.

With this design you wont smack the collector off a speed bump. However I could make them longer for you E55 or 55k guys and girls.
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Oh I forgot before anyone else gets a chance:

what grade steel?

what's the firing order?

what's the warranty?

what size are the primaries?

what size is the collector?

how much hp will I gain?

how much tq will I lose?

blah blah blah blah blah

now that those questions are out of the way keep us in the loop on how the finished product turns out.
USA 321 stainless steel flanges and merge collector.
USA 304 stanless steel runners. Options for 321 though out.

Firing order as stamped on the CLS55 valve cover and C55 valve cover is
1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

Warranty. Yet to be set, but i'm sure it will offer many years of protection.

HP gains: Dyno time will start on Monday on our in house Dyno-Dynamics Dyno.

TQ loss: See above.. Who to say you will loose TQ,

collector: 2.75 inches with options for 3 and 2.5

Primarys: when i get to the shop tomorrow I will check out the size I cant remember off the top of my head.
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Nice, I figured I would save you the trouble of having to answer 8 million questions
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With this design you wont smack the collector off a speed bump. However I could make them longer for you E55 or 55k guys and girls.

I think havng them tucked under is a great idea. But, I think it would be cool to show that the design won't compromise too much performance.

Will you also offer ECU modding to shut off the o2 sensor (if needed)?

They look nice!!

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Nice, I figured I would save you the trouble of having to answer 8 million questions

LOL you are not kidding... As for price point (Getting that out of the way too) T.B.A They will be priced very fair
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I think havng them tucked under is a great idea. But, I think it would be cool to show that the design won't compromise too much performance.

Will you also offer ECU modding to shut off the o2 sensor (if needed)?

They look nice!!
They will work with our (MBH/Dyno-Comp) cat section and the OEM O2's. The cat section will be finished tomorrow.

These headers will have the best scavenging ability out of any production header currently available for the AMG. In other words they are designed to suck the exhaust gases out of the engine rather than just push them out.
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When will something like this come out for the 63s??? The 55s were so 4 years ago....
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Looks great! Look forward to dyno results!
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Great looking headers. Piping and finish look great. I'd be curious to see the dyno results, and maybe compare them to other headers out there for the N/A 55 AMG motor. Thanks for posting!
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Will they fit a W208 CLK55? I'm guessing not
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Will they fit a W208 CLK55? I'm guessing not

All MB V8s have similar setup, just different angles on the drop tubes so no reason he couldn't make a set for the CLK IMO.
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USA 321 stainless steel flanges and merge collector.
USA 304 stanless steel runners. Options for 321 though out.

Firing order as stamped on the CLS55 valve cover and C55 valve cover is
1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

Warranty. Yet to be set, but i'm sure it will offer many years of protection.

HP gains: Dyno time will start on Monday on our in house Dyno-Dynamics Dyno.

TQ loss: See above.. Who to say you will loose TQ,

collector: 2.75 inches with options for 3 and 2.5

Primarys: when i get to the shop tomorrow I will check out the size I cant remember off the top of my head.

Headers work is always a pleasure

what thickness will be: 16 or 14 GA ?

just don't get the way they should compensate for Firing Order with a 4 into 1 collector
the design I have in mind for that kind of tuning has different mergings ...
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what thickness will be: 16 or 14 GA ?

just don't get the way they should compensate for Firing Order with a 4 into 1 collector
the design I have in mind for that kind of tuning has different mergings ...
16GA ...Are you thinking of the "Bundle of snakes" style?

Firing order with a header can have a major effect on scavenging. Ideally You wan the headers to fire in a rotational pattern. It help create vacuum in the headers that actually start to suck the exhaust gases out of the cylinder head rather than just have the headers force them out.

When the header starts firing like a Gatling Gun inside the collector, (rotational pattern) scavenging is increased and thats a good thing. If you look at any good designed headers on the market you will see reference to what is called "True firing order".
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All MB V8s have similar setup, just different angles on the drop tubes so no reason he couldn't make a set for the CLK IMO.
Also steering shafts, The sky is the limit. If anyone want to stop in and lend their car for a day or two for some fitting i can offer free before and after dyno runs on our in house dyno dynamics dyno. Even a discount on the headers them selfs. PM me i you are interested.
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16GA ...Are you thinking of the "Bundle of snakes" style?
so, how much then ?

Firing order with a header can have a major effect on scavenging. Ideally You wan the headers to fire in a rotational pattern. It help create vacuum in the headers that actually start to suck the exhaust gases out of the cylinder head rather than just have the headers force them out.

When the header starts firing like a Gatling Gun inside the collector, (rotational pattern) scavenging is increased and thats a good thing. If you look at any good designed headers on the market you will see reference to what is called "True firing order".
interesting the battery gun comparison ... never heard before.

Sure, if your main aim is not to avoid messing of gases from different cylinders , from the above point of view it would work still better with an 8 into 1 collector .. by the way there are 8 guns available
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LOL you are not kidding... As for price point (Getting that out of the way too) T.B.A They will be priced very fair
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interesting the battery gun comparison ... never heard before.

Sure, if your main aim is not to avoid messing of gases from different cylinders , from the above point of view it would work still better with an 8 into 1 collector .. by the way there are 8 guns available
That would be one HUGE collerctor, LOL!!

How have you been, bro? dyno has been researching this for a few years and knows his stuff. I remember he was talking about a twisted snake pattern before, but HUGE $$

Yo MBH (ironically similar to MHP), I was kind of assuming you had an E55 there. If not, I am interested but want to go a little more nuts and hope there is more planned for later. It would be sweet to bring some of all the ideas you AZ guys had (exhaust, intake, cooling) into reality. email me at jangy@yahoo.com with some info if you would.
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That would be one HUGE collerctor, LOL!!

How have you been, bro? dyno has been researching this for a few years and knows his stuff. I remember he was talking about a twisted snake pattern before, but HUGE $$

Yo MBH (ironically similar to MHP), I was kind of assuming you had an E55 there. If not, I am interested but want to go a little more nuts and hope there is more planned for later. It would be sweet to bring some of all the ideas you AZ guys had (exhaust, intake, cooling) into reality. email me at jangy@yahoo.com with some info if you would.
I am by far the exact opposite of MHP.
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info bro , info about it


+ i have a crazy idea that i don't think someone thought about.

and i think it will let the air goes to the engine without any increase in temp.

and it is very simple and doesn't cost that much.

but i don't know how to explain. i will try to sketch it for u MBH , if u don't mind making it free for me :P J/k


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