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Here we go tons of header pics they are about 90% finished. These will have a chance at fitting a lot of AMG's I will do some test fitting next week on E55's SL55, CLS55, CLK55. The cat pipes will be different from car to car though. Enjoy guys -Hooley
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Oh I forgot before anyone else gets a chance:
what grade steel?
what's the firing order?
what's the warranty?
what size are the primaries?
what size is the collector?
how much hp will I gain?
how much tq will I lose?
blah blah blah blah blah
now that those questions are out of the way keep us in the loop on how the finished product turns out.
what grade steel?
what's the firing order?
what's the warranty?
what size are the primaries?
what size is the collector?
how much hp will I gain?
how much tq will I lose?
blah blah blah blah blah
now that those questions are out of the way keep us in the loop on how the finished product turns out.
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With this design build off the firing order and M113 AMG engine specs they should killer. I going to make some slight changes for the headers for E55's. Once we punch in the specs off the 55k motor it will tell the tail if changes need to be made.
With this design you wont smack the collector off a speed bump. However I could make them longer for you E55 or 55k guys and girls.
With this design you wont smack the collector off a speed bump. However I could make them longer for you E55 or 55k guys and girls.
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Oh I forgot before anyone else gets a chance:
what grade steel?
what's the firing order?
what's the warranty?
what size are the primaries?
what size is the collector?
how much hp will I gain?
how much tq will I lose?
blah blah blah blah blah
now that those questions are out of the way keep us in the loop on how the finished product turns out.
what grade steel?
what's the firing order?
what's the warranty?
what size are the primaries?
what size is the collector?
how much hp will I gain?
how much tq will I lose?
blah blah blah blah blah
now that those questions are out of the way keep us in the loop on how the finished product turns out.
USA 304 stanless steel runners. Options for 321 though out.
Firing order as stamped on the CLS55 valve cover and C55 valve cover is
1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
Warranty. Yet to be set, but i'm sure it will offer many years of protection.
HP gains: Dyno time will start on Monday on our in house Dyno-Dynamics Dyno.
TQ loss: See above.. Who to say you will loose TQ,
collector: 2.75 inches with options for 3 and 2.5
Primarys: when i get to the shop tomorrow I will check out the size I cant remember off the top of my head.
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I think havng them tucked under is a great idea. But, I think it would be cool to show that the design won't compromise too much performance.
Will you also offer ECU modding to shut off the o2 sensor (if needed)?
They look nice!!
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These headers will have the best scavenging ability out of any production header currently available for the AMG. In other words they are designed to suck the exhaust gases out of the engine rather than just push them out.
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Sorry I need to use my sponsor name. These cookies no matter how many times i delete them keep logging me in as "hooleyboy"
so yes MBH motorsports & Hooleyboy = are the same.
so yes MBH motorsports & Hooleyboy = are the same.
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Great looking headers. Piping and finish look great. I'd be curious to see the dyno results, and maybe compare them to other headers out there for the N/A 55 AMG motor. Thanks for posting!
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USA 321 stainless steel flanges and merge collector.
USA 304 stanless steel runners. Options for 321 though out.
Firing order as stamped on the CLS55 valve cover and C55 valve cover is
1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
Warranty. Yet to be set, but i'm sure it will offer many years of protection.
HP gains: Dyno time will start on Monday on our in house Dyno-Dynamics Dyno.
TQ loss: See above.. Who to say you will loose TQ,
collector: 2.75 inches with options for 3 and 2.5
Primarys: when i get to the shop tomorrow I will check out the size I cant remember off the top of my head.
USA 304 stanless steel runners. Options for 321 though out.
Firing order as stamped on the CLS55 valve cover and C55 valve cover is
1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
Warranty. Yet to be set, but i'm sure it will offer many years of protection.
HP gains: Dyno time will start on Monday on our in house Dyno-Dynamics Dyno.
TQ loss: See above.. Who to say you will loose TQ,
collector: 2.75 inches with options for 3 and 2.5
Primarys: when i get to the shop tomorrow I will check out the size I cant remember off the top of my head.
Headers work is always a pleasure
what thickness will be: 16 or 14 GA ?
just don't get the way they should compensate for Firing Order with a 4 into 1 collector
the design I have in mind for that kind of tuning has different mergings ...
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Firing order with a header can have a major effect on scavenging. Ideally You wan the headers to fire in a rotational pattern. It help create vacuum in the headers that actually start to suck the exhaust gases out of the cylinder head rather than just have the headers force them out.
When the header starts firing like a Gatling Gun inside the collector, (rotational pattern) scavenging is increased and thats a good thing. If you look at any good designed headers on the market you will see reference to what is called "True firing order".
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Also steering shafts, The sky is the limit. If anyone want to stop in and lend their car for a day or two for some fitting i can offer free before and after dyno runs on our in house dyno dynamics dyno. Even a discount on the headers them selfs. PM me i you are interested.
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16GA ...Are you thinking of the "Bundle of snakes" style?
so, how much then ?
Firing order with a header can have a major effect on scavenging. Ideally You wan the headers to fire in a rotational pattern. It help create vacuum in the headers that actually start to suck the exhaust gases out of the cylinder head rather than just have the headers force them out.
When the header starts firing like a Gatling Gun inside the collector, (rotational pattern) scavenging is increased and thats a good thing. If you look at any good designed headers on the market you will see reference to what is called "True firing order".
so, how much then ?
Firing order with a header can have a major effect on scavenging. Ideally You wan the headers to fire in a rotational pattern. It help create vacuum in the headers that actually start to suck the exhaust gases out of the cylinder head rather than just have the headers force them out.
When the header starts firing like a Gatling Gun inside the collector, (rotational pattern) scavenging is increased and thats a good thing. If you look at any good designed headers on the market you will see reference to what is called "True firing order".
Sure, if your main aim is not to avoid messing of gases from different cylinders , from the above point of view it would work still better with an 8 into 1 collector .. by the way there are 8 guns available
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How have you been, bro? dyno has been researching this for a few years and knows his stuff. I remember he was talking about a twisted snake pattern before, but HUGE $$
Yo MBH (ironically similar to MHP), I was kind of assuming you had an E55 there. If not, I am interested but want to go a little more nuts and hope there is more planned for later. It would be sweet to bring some of all the ideas you AZ guys had (exhaust, intake, cooling) into reality. email me at jangy@yahoo.com with some info if you would.
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That would be one HUGE collerctor, LOL!!
How have you been, bro? dyno has been researching this for a few years and knows his stuff. I remember he was talking about a twisted snake pattern before, but HUGE $$
Yo MBH (ironically similar to MHP), I was kind of assuming you had an E55 there. If not, I am interested but want to go a little more nuts and hope there is more planned for later. It would be sweet to bring some of all the ideas you AZ guys had (exhaust, intake, cooling) into reality. email me at jangy@yahoo.com with some info if you would.
How have you been, bro? dyno has been researching this for a few years and knows his stuff. I remember he was talking about a twisted snake pattern before, but HUGE $$
Yo MBH (ironically similar to MHP), I was kind of assuming you had an E55 there. If not, I am interested but want to go a little more nuts and hope there is more planned for later. It would be sweet to bring some of all the ideas you AZ guys had (exhaust, intake, cooling) into reality. email me at jangy@yahoo.com with some info if you would.
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info bro , info about it
+ i have a crazy idea that i don't think someone thought about.
and i think it will let the air goes to the engine without any increase in temp.
and it is very simple and doesn't cost that much.
but i don't know how to explain. i will try to sketch it for u MBH , if u don't mind making it free for me :P J/k
+ i have a crazy idea that i don't think someone thought about.
and i think it will let the air goes to the engine without any increase in temp.
and it is very simple and doesn't cost that much.
but i don't know how to explain. i will try to sketch it for u MBH , if u don't mind making it free for me :P J/k
