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Old 09-25-2009, 10:44 AM
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here you can see a OEM MB TB with 82 mm on the right side ...
the left is the 74 mm OEM from the E55.
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The Audi S4 TB is identical to the one of the right, same housing and everything... just end caps are different. Bosch always reuses housings for different manufacture cars, its quite common place. Yes the end caps are swappable, there is no point in arguing that...
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Originally Posted by AMS Performance
The Audi S4 TB is identical to the one of the right, same housing and everything... just end caps are different. Bosch always reuses housings for different manufacture cars, its quite common place. Yes the end caps are swappable, there is no point in arguing that...
It is not "identical" .Similar yes bit suttle difference in the throttle body cast.

I spent close to 1 year researching every possible DBW throttle body on the market .In the image below the 2 throttle bodies on the left are both Audi V8 units.Tell me if you spot the differences.

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Well the Audi one we had worked perfectly, Dunno which part # it was but it definitely had Audi stamps and was for the 04-09 Audi RS4. The 2nd one from the left is the correct one, just swap out end caps (for the 10th time)...
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Originally Posted by AMS Performance
Well the Audi one we had worked perfectly, Dunno which part # it was but it definitely had Audi stamps and was for the 04-09 Audi RS4. The 2nd one from the left is the correct one, just swap out end caps (for the 10th time)...
I am well aware you can swap out the TPS connectors but again the 2nd one from the left is NLA.It was superceeded.
Whatever the case let me know if I can help you out with anymore DBW throttle body info.
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"If you can get the Audi V8 unit with the V2 Bosch TPS then perfect but thats still 80mm."

I have the TB (p/n# 077133062A) we are talking about right in front of me. At the throttle blade it measures 3.225, or 81.915mm. The inlet and outlet measure 3.30, or 83.82mm. I can post pics if need be.
I realize you stated this part is NLA but I just wanted to avoid confusion for anyone looking to pick up a used throttle body.


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Originally Posted by lowprofile
"If you can get the Audi V8 unit with the V2 Bosch TPS then perfect but thats still 80mm."

I have the TB (p/n# 077133062A) we are talking about right in front of me. At the throttle blade it measures 3.225, or 81.915mm. The inlet and outlet measure 3.30, or 83.82mm. I can post pics if need be.
I realize you stated this part is NLA but I just wanted to avoid confusion for anyone looking to pick up a used throttle body.


Ok does that have a machined lip for the throttle body boot because the NLA one does NOT you can see it above (no lip)
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How's about the E63 TB? anyone know what size it is?
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Originally Posted by Forrest Gump 9
How's about the E63 TB? anyone know what size it is?
Probably 80mm

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The lip is not machined, just like the one AMS pointed out.

The outside measurement of the inlet is 3.545, or 90mm. Which brings us to the next hurdle. What is everyone using for the "y" pipe with the 82mm tb? I believe I have a solution but I would like to hear from those already using the 82.
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Lets start a new thread.
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if I'm not mistaken, 63's have dual 74mm TBs
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Originally Posted by lowprofile
The lip is not machined, just like the one AMS pointed out.

The outside measurement of the inlet is 3.545, or 90mm. Which brings us to the next hurdle. What is everyone using for the "y" pipe with the 82mm tb? I believe I have a solution but I would like to hear from those already using the 82.
they are just using the 80mm Y pipe, while removing a few bits from it
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Originally Posted by Zod
they are just using the 80mm Y pipe, while removing a few bits from it
Thanks Zod, that's the same as I was planning. I pulled the rubber gasket and plastic ring out of the inlet connection. It measures 3.75 with these removed. Mcmaster.com has o-rings with an inside measurement 3.5 and outside of 3.75 which should work.
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Originally Posted by Issam Abed
Everything is swappable but you CANT take a V8 throttle body and bolt it to an E55.
You need an adapter harness and a throttle adapter plate

MB on the left / Audi V8 on the right.

How do you find the parts for an adaptor harness? Audi to MB? Many of the Audi TB`s do not seem to have the PCV inlet connection either.
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Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
How do you find the parts for an adaptor harness? Audi to MB? Many of the Audi TB`s do not seem to have the PCV inlet connection either.
If I told you that then I would not be in business.There is a fine line between knowledge sharing and marketing a product.
I help people out to a certain point and please dont take that the wrong way.This took me a while to get straight...
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Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
I just recieved this TB from you. You sited 82mm TB, has been cleaned and tested to work properly. Posted on the E55 MB section but this TB is off an AUDI??? Just checked the numbers and hard to miss the Audi logo on the side of the TB..

The TPS plug in is not the same, not sure if it will run off our wires, not code and even idle correctly. .. Since I thought by your posting on this MB site , that this was a MB throttle body posted by an MB vendor..Can you explain what tested means? How did you wire this to an MB to test it?
Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
How do you find the parts for an adaptor harness? Audi to MB? Many of the Audi TB`s do not seem to have the PCV inlet connection either.
Since you bought your TB from a vendor who's a forum sponsor, I'd think you should work with that vendor to get whatever's needed for it to function properly on your car - or, if it's not what you expected to receive and requires more work to function than what you deem to be acceptable, you should just return it.

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Originally Posted by Issam Abed
If I told you that then I would not be in business.There is a fine line between knowledge sharing and marketing a product.
I help people out to a certain point and please dont take that the wrong way.This took me a while to get straight...
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Originally Posted by Issam Abed
If I told you that then I would not be in business.There is a fine line between knowledge sharing and marketing a product.
I help people out to a certain point and please dont take that the wrong way.This took me a while to get straight...
That is cool but just remember when I contact you, That I was the one that found you on VW forums, Started this thread,,which lead to you having the opportunity to grow business in a new Benz market..

Since you bought your TB from a vendor who's a forum sponsor, I'd think you should work with that vendor to get whatever's needed for it to function properly on your car - or, if it's not what you expected to receive and requires more work to function than what you deem to be acceptable, you should just return it.

In a perfect world, that would make sense.. I did ask him and did not like his reply, so lets just say I am done with that..

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That is cool but just remember when I contact you, That I was the one that found you on VW forums, Started this thread,,which lead to you having the opportunity to grow business in a new Benz market.. ..
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Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
In a perfect world, that would make sense.. I did ask him and did not like his reply, so lets just say I am done with that..
That's a shame, sorry to hear it. Well, best of luck with your retrofit.
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Originally Posted by Issam Abed
Probably 80mm
Probably not.
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Originally Posted by Forrest Gump 9
How's about the E63 TB? anyone know what size it is?
Originally Posted by jangy
Probably not.
Dual 74mm. Basically 2 stock E55 ones.

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Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
That is cool but just remember when I contact you, That I was the one that found you on VW forums, Started this thread,,which lead to you having the opportunity to grow business in a new Benz market..

In a perfect world, that would make sense.. I did ask him and did not like his reply, so lets just say I am done with that..
hehe you were the first to post a link to the vw forum. but def not the first that found INA there, or call Issam and ask him to post in your thread.

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hehe you were the first to post a link to the vw forum. but def not the first that found INA there, or call Issam and ask him to post in your thread.

search my username on vortex and look at the join date

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No disrespect, but at this point I dunno if I'd be looking to take credit for bringing this guy over.....


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