drove the 2010 e63. amazing car
09-12-2009, 08:42 PM
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Hey guys.
Went to amg academy and I spent a lot of time in the 2010e63
Comin from an 06 e55 owner it hurts to say that the new one is not only better but
Its 10 times better. I'm gonna wait for the 2011 and def get one.
By the way the amg academy is awesome guys. Do it if you can.
Went to amg academy and I spent a lot of time in the 2010e63
Comin from an 06 e55 owner it hurts to say that the new one is not only better but
Its 10 times better. I'm gonna wait for the 2011 and def get one.
By the way the amg academy is awesome guys. Do it if you can.
09-12-2009, 09:12 PM
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I am only talking about today. I agree that the evolution will be similar. The point is that TODAY you can take a 55k and throw $5k into it and have a pretty fast ride. Put $5k into the 63 today and you get little in comparison.
The airbox is a perfect example. When it came out for the 55k, it was upwards of $3k and actually LOST power! Later versions dropped to about $2k and gained some power. Now, they are much cheaper than the 63 one and why?
At any rate, i think we are debating different scenarios. You and Josh are talking more theory and history and i am more talking today in SoCal. In the end, we all drive what we like and like what we drive.
Last thing. Isn't it funny that cooling upgrades for the 55k have gone from about $3k to just over $1k and yet there there isn't a single 63 that has one. Do they heat soak? You tell me. I saw the setup that was intended for Rick's car and the cooling was sweet.
The airbox is a perfect example. When it came out for the 55k, it was upwards of $3k and actually LOST power! Later versions dropped to about $2k and gained some power. Now, they are much cheaper than the 63 one and why?
At any rate, i think we are debating different scenarios. You and Josh are talking more theory and history and i am more talking today in SoCal. In the end, we all drive what we like and like what we drive.
Last thing. Isn't it funny that cooling upgrades for the 55k have gone from about $3k to just over $1k and yet there there isn't a single 63 that has one. Do they heat soak? You tell me. I saw the setup that was intended for Rick's car and the cooling was sweet.
09-12-2009, 09:47 PM
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Back on topic ..
This new E has some great updates
1. Transmission
2. Suspension
3. Navigation
This car certainly won't be any faster in a straight line than the w211 55 or 63 but there are some improvements. Are they worth the extra jack?
This new E has some great updates
1. Transmission
2. Suspension
3. Navigation
This car certainly won't be any faster in a straight line than the w211 55 or 63 but there are some improvements. Are they worth the extra jack?
09-12-2009, 11:30 PM
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We never got an answer from the OP about why the new E63 is better.
When my lease is up in two years I've been thinking about possibly getting the new CL AMG with the turbo engine, but if the new E63 is that great then I will consider it.
When my lease is up in two years I've been thinking about possibly getting the new CL AMG with the turbo engine, but if the new E63 is that great then I will consider it.
09-13-2009, 12:51 AM
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Back on topic ..
This new E has some great updates
1. Transmission
This is the key potential for me. I haven't heard enough feedback to know if MB made a difference but having a strong shifting tranny would be an added fun factor to the car.
2. Suspension
Honestly, i love the airmatic. i would have prefered they either upgrade the E to the ABC or have gone springs all around. Having the rear remain bagged is weaker but still leaves the front end with lots of handling and feel potential again.
3. Navigation
Any Navi is an upgrade to mine although it does what i need. I thought the '09s had a nicer nav too. Is the '10 different?
This car certainly won't be any faster in a straight line than the w211 55 or 63 but there are some improvements. Are they worth the extra jack?
This new E has some great updates
1. Transmission
This is the key potential for me. I haven't heard enough feedback to know if MB made a difference but having a strong shifting tranny would be an added fun factor to the car.
2. Suspension
Honestly, i love the airmatic. i would have prefered they either upgrade the E to the ABC or have gone springs all around. Having the rear remain bagged is weaker but still leaves the front end with lots of handling and feel potential again.
3. Navigation
Any Navi is an upgrade to mine although it does what i need. I thought the '09s had a nicer nav too. Is the '10 different?
This car certainly won't be any faster in a straight line than the w211 55 or 63 but there are some improvements. Are they worth the extra jack?
Overall, I'd guess the new E is better than the current platform in handling for sure. It is better than the current drivetrain in the tranny and that is more of a mod than anything. I would have still liked to have seen more power or at least less compression. Who knows...AMG may chose to swap out drivetrains within the bodystyle change. Normally, they just give it a facelift with stereo / navi upgrades after the first few years to keep it fresh but maybe they will throw a TT at us soon?
Last thing and I'll be outta this thread....
newer > older until older is classic
09-13-2009, 01:06 AM
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Juicee, the W212 base MSRP is $5K less than W211 was.
Aside from that, AMG new car sales are in the dumpster.
BTW W212s are being built in China now, don't worry they are not for export, (YET) only sold in the China market. (it is a little longer and the roof is stronger than the euro/US).
I think I'll hold out for the electric SLS........
Aside from that, AMG new car sales are in the dumpster.
BTW W212s are being built in China now, don't worry they are not for export, (YET) only sold in the China market. (it is a little longer and the roof is stronger than the euro/US).
I think I'll hold out for the electric SLS........
09-13-2009, 01:16 AM
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They also made the car a few inches longer in the rear leg room area too, and that to me is funny, cause I thought Germans were generally taller than the Chinese.
09-13-2009, 03:12 AM
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The new W212 will out handle all of us. The transmission is sweet, and the command console is soooo much easier to use.
Hell, my tail lights look identical to a 2004 Camry. But I do admit, the new E is a miss on styling.
Go ahead jangy, go improve your handling with a tune. Or completely change the way the command works with new software. Ain't so easy is it? Neither is the M156 engine. Some day someone who has serious cash WILL TT the M156. Then, all things being equal, there is no replacement for displacement.
I'm with YatchMaster. The electric SLS will be cool. 392kW of motor and 48kWhr of battery. 20minutes of incredible performance! Consider the forum of the future. "Dude, have you upgraded to the latest IGBTs?", "Check out the new rare earth magnets", "I just replaced the batteries with the new molecular distortion cells!", "Was that a turtle or jangy?"
Lastly, I am going to the stage II event at Laguna Seca!
Hell, my tail lights look identical to a 2004 Camry. But I do admit, the new E is a miss on styling.
Go ahead jangy, go improve your handling with a tune. Or completely change the way the command works with new software. Ain't so easy is it? Neither is the M156 engine. Some day someone who has serious cash WILL TT the M156. Then, all things being equal, there is no replacement for displacement.
I'm with YatchMaster. The electric SLS will be cool. 392kW of motor and 48kWhr of battery. 20minutes of incredible performance! Consider the forum of the future. "Dude, have you upgraded to the latest IGBTs?", "Check out the new rare earth magnets", "I just replaced the batteries with the new molecular distortion cells!", "Was that a turtle or jangy?"
Lastly, I am going to the stage II event at Laguna Seca!
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09-13-2009, 03:30 AM
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Contrary to popular belief, the 63s do heat soak. In my experience at the track, the maximum performance and optimum results were obtained when I let the car cool down before I ran. Every subsequent run I made after the initial "cool" run, I lost 0.1 seconds off the E.T. until I was 0.3 seconds off of my initial run, then the car leveled off. I was able to obtain the best E.T. and trap again only after I let the car cool down again. I wish more tuners would pay some more attention to the 63 heat soak issue but since there doesn't seem too much demand for it, this may never happen.
09-13-2009, 04:11 AM
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guys guys,
cool down.
they already made nice tunings for the 63 segment.
but who is willing to pay alot of $$$ !!!!
you can check the Brabus bi-turbo system. and ofcourse other tuners will start to go in this line to tune the 63s.
but to be honest
anyone of you guys will pay about $30k for the set just to add 150 hp ?
cool down.
they already made nice tunings for the 63 segment.
but who is willing to pay alot of $$$ !!!!
you can check the Brabus bi-turbo system. and ofcourse other tuners will start to go in this line to tune the 63s.
but to be honest
anyone of you guys will pay about $30k for the set just to add 150 hp ?
09-13-2009, 05:50 AM
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Look the E63 might be a little better to drive. Becoz it is newer it has the 7speed and stuff like that. It is the newer model E class AMG so u would think and want it to be better mb build some of the best cars in the world they will not go backwards but forwards.
But when it come's down to the mod side of it and speed side.
You can do the same mod's to both cars Headers/tune/intake and so on.
But at the end of the day on the 55 you can just keep turning the BOOST UP leaving the 63 engine in the shadows
But when it come's down to the mod side of it and speed side.
You can do the same mod's to both cars Headers/tune/intake and so on.
But at the end of the day on the 55 you can just keep turning the BOOST UP leaving the 63 engine in the shadows
09-13-2009, 07:03 AM
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Ok if memory serves me right the new E has the Gear box from the SL63 yes?
or is going to?
now from what i have seen from the SL63 forum....it is no faster than the out going SL55.
so end results it feels good and sounds good on paper, but same result
?
also no one has seen how it will react to modding the car and how MCT will handle it
also if the interior is anything like the C class....it feels cheap and plastic
or is going to?
now from what i have seen from the SL63 forum....it is no faster than the out going SL55.
so end results it feels good and sounds good on paper, but same result
?also no one has seen how it will react to modding the car and how MCT will handle it
also if the interior is anything like the C class....it feels cheap and plastic
09-13-2009, 08:58 AM
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I don't think the advantage of the new MCT is all out acceleration, but rather control. Torque converter automatics do a great job on the drag strip or freeway pull, but I'm sure the MCT is much better on a roadcourse where I want the tightest control of shifts.
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Go ahead jangy, go improve your handling with a tune. Or completely change the way the command works with new software. Ain't so easy is it?
I thought I was pretty clear with what I am doing. I am having my EM nav modified to add a rear camera and DVD input. That's it and yes it is easy. $400 and I am done. I have never used the Lexus Navi and don't get lost that often.
As for suspension. All of the changes I am making are hardware. ARMS, BUSHINGS, etc. Thanks for the hate, though.
Neither is the M156 engine. Some day someone who has serious cash WILL TT the M156. Then, all things being equal, there is no replacement for displacement.
It doesn't take cash. it takes a proper plan, not just throwing money at any guy that shows up here making empty promises. How hard would it be to strap a cooling upgrade on? You are making my point here. i never bashed the block. i bashed where the block is. I have always agreed that it will one day be modded and of course there is no substitute for displacement.
Consider the forum of the future.... "Was that a turtle or jangy?"
Lastly, I am going to the stage II event at Laguna Seca!
I thought I was pretty clear with what I am doing. I am having my EM nav modified to add a rear camera and DVD input. That's it and yes it is easy. $400 and I am done. I have never used the Lexus Navi and don't get lost that often.
As for suspension. All of the changes I am making are hardware. ARMS, BUSHINGS, etc. Thanks for the hate, though.
Neither is the M156 engine. Some day someone who has serious cash WILL TT the M156. Then, all things being equal, there is no replacement for displacement.
It doesn't take cash. it takes a proper plan, not just throwing money at any guy that shows up here making empty promises. How hard would it be to strap a cooling upgrade on? You are making my point here. i never bashed the block. i bashed where the block is. I have always agreed that it will one day be modded and of course there is no substitute for displacement.
Consider the forum of the future.... "Was that a turtle or jangy?"
Lastly, I am going to the stage II event at Laguna Seca!
09-13-2009, 06:13 PM
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Now that all of that is settled, can we please get some tuner to strap a twin turbo on the 6.2 liter engine and push upwards of 600 horsepower out of it? God knows I can't wait.
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There is a lot of nonsense in this thread. The VAST VAST majority of AMG owners do not modify their vehicles.
MB developed a simple N/A V8 that made 517bhp while meeting all of their NVH needs. The 5.5k was not exactly bulletproof, and there is no way you can call the 6.2 underachieving.
If you are just a power obsessed straight line guy, you are driving the wrong car anyway.
MB developed a simple N/A V8 that made 517bhp while meeting all of their NVH needs. The 5.5k was not exactly bulletproof, and there is no way you can call the 6.2 underachieving.
If you are just a power obsessed straight line guy, you are driving the wrong car anyway.
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Agreed!
Contrary to popular belief, the 63s do heat soak. In my experience at the track, the maximum performance and optimum results were obtained when I let the car cool down before I ran. Every subsequent run I made after the initial "cool" run, I lost 0.1 seconds off the E.T. until I was 0.3 seconds off of my initial run, then the car leveled off. I was able to obtain the best E.T. and trap again only after I let the car cool down again. I wish more tuners would pay some more attention to the 63 heat soak issue but since there doesn't seem too much demand for it, this may never happen.
My C63 Really runs hot, hotter than my two E55's.
Part of the problem is the cooling in the 63 motor and the other problem is in the small space that the 63 motor is cramped into. I purchased Vadim's heat spacers and they do help but a real solution would be some form of additional cooling.I was actually surprised how much hotter the 63 ran versus my 55's but there is no solution on the market to address this.
Regards!
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There is a lot of nonsense in this thread. The VAST VAST majority of AMG owners do not modify their vehicles.
MB developed a simple N/A V8 that made 517bhp while meeting all of their NVH needs. The 5.5k was not exactly bulletproof, and there is no way you can call the 6.2 underachieving.
If you are just a power obsessed straight line guy, you are driving the wrong car anyway.
MB developed a simple N/A V8 that made 517bhp while meeting all of their NVH needs. The 5.5k was not exactly bulletproof, and there is no way you can call the 6.2 underachieving.
If you are just a power obsessed straight line guy, you are driving the wrong car anyway.
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An STS twin turbo system would be a nice addition, you'd just have to have someone tune it.
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In terms of heat soak prevention, you probably took more steps than most. I don't think there is anything extra we can do until tuners start researching the subject more.
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There is a lot of nonsense in this thread. The VAST VAST majority of AMG owners do not modify their vehicles.
MB developed a simple N/A V8 that made 517bhp while meeting all of their NVH needs. The 5.5k was not exactly bulletproof, and there is no way you can call the 6.2 underachieving.
If you are just a power obsessed straight line guy, you are driving the wrong car anyway.
MB developed a simple N/A V8 that made 517bhp while meeting all of their NVH needs. The 5.5k was not exactly bulletproof, and there is no way you can call the 6.2 underachieving.
If you are just a power obsessed straight line guy, you are driving the wrong car anyway.
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There is a lot of nonsense in this thread. The VAST VAST majority of AMG owners do not modify their vehicles.
MB developed a simple N/A V8 that made 517bhp while meeting all of their NVH needs. The 5.5k was not exactly bulletproof, and there is no way you can call the 6.2 underachieving.
If you are just a power obsessed straight line guy, you are driving the wrong car anyway.
MB developed a simple N/A V8 that made 517bhp while meeting all of their NVH needs. The 5.5k was not exactly bulletproof, and there is no way you can call the 6.2 underachieving.
If you are just a power obsessed straight line guy, you are driving the wrong car anyway.
At risk of having all kinds of trash thrown at me, here it goes: these are all straight line cars, put them with much underpowered cars on a road course and they will only see license plates. Put an E55 or an E63 against something milder like a Porsche GT3 and you will be wiped off. No disrespect, I love my E63 and I'm sure the E55 can only be as exciting, but this cars are still lacking all the things that make a car a great sports car. They are a great combination of power and luxury for guys that cannot have every car they want. So keep bragging about how fast you can make the quarter mile, truth is, maybe even a Subaru WRX can beat our asses if we need to turn two corners.
