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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 07:43 AM
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BEST CAMS FOR E55 ???????

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BASED IN THE UK I WOULD LIKE ADVISE ON WHICH CAMS WILL BE THE BEST AND A DIRECT FITMENT FOR A E55

I HAVE READ MANY TREADS BUT STILL CANT MAKE UP MY MIND

I CAN GET HOLD OFF THE SLR CAM AND KLEEMANS IN THE UK.

MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE

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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 10:05 AM
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Kleemann cams will be the easiest, as they are drop in, with no ECU mod required SLR cams will require some changes to fit, but I believe are more aggressive.
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 10:43 AM
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Kind of subjective based on who you ask. Kleemann is probably the safest bet, other grinds might have a more aggressive profile that will make your idle lope but your upper revs sing. E55's from the factory are optimised for low and mid range power.
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 11:01 AM
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VRP carms ....from Vadim...yipes ...from all the recent threads make sure you COD
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VRP carms ....from Vadim...yipes ...from all the recent threads make sure you COD
I would just go to the source aka PTE. He is a stand up guy and wouldn't take your money like other vendors
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 11:25 AM
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Can't go wrong with either Kleemann or PTE Cams.

i'm using Kleemann cams and pretty satisfied with them. Plus the fact their customer service is top notch.
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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not sure that Pat's got any more cam pairs left at one point the surplus was maintained by VRP; then VRP split so either Victor or Vadim shoul have control of the private label licensed surplus...hope that explains it...again, COD is your friend
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Thanks guy for the info, i have sent PTE a message and will wait for reply.

Look fowards to building my new Monster lol
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hi

Anyone know what mods need to be done to put the SLR cams????

Will Be Porting my heads and wanted to know will there be any power loss??? because there is less restriction. does the charger loses any psi???

Trying get the car to be running in the 10s on the quarter mile.

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Originally Posted by BRABUS786
Will Be Porting my heads and wanted to know will there be any power loss??? because there is less restriction. does the charger loses any psi???

Trying get the car to be running in the 10s on the quarter mile.

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Your engine will see less boost when porting the heads because they are freer flowing. It makes your engine more efficient though.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 10:48 AM
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Your engine will see less boost when porting the heads because they are freer flowing. It makes your engine more efficient though.


Do you think it will be worth doing??????? or a waste of time??? cant make up my mind,

Will it get me closer to my goal for mid 10s ?? lol

thanks
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BRABUS786
Do you think it will be worth doing??????? or a waste of time??? cant make up my mind,

Will it get me closer to my goal for mid 10s ?? lol

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mid 10's will be very hard even with ported heads, which on an SC engine don't think would help all that much...you need to have A LOT of work done to breach 10's with a 55k engine...
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 10:53 AM
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there is a spec sheet kicking around the forum, if you search. It has the specs on SLR, 55K, and 55NA cams. How the SLR cams spec out vs PTE cams I dont know. But it should help a little in deciding if cams is the right move for you.
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Originally Posted by BRABUS786
Do you think it will be worth doing??????? or a waste of time??? cant make up my mind,

Will it get me closer to my goal for mid 10s ?? lol

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Mid 10s??? Is this without nitrous? That will be difficult. From what I've heard, Kleemann sells ported heads for the 55k that make good power. Call Kleemann and talk to Cory and get his input on the subject. I would do it but its a bit too pricey for me
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BRABUS786
Do you think it will be worth doing??????? or a waste of time??? cant make up my mind,

Will it get me closer to my goal for mid 10s ?? lol

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It will get you closer to your goal. While your boost level will decrease, as blackbenzz said, your power level will increase, due to improved volumetric efficiency.

It's important to understand the concept that BOOST and FLOW are not the same thing. To maximize HP, you need to maximize the motors volumetric efficiency, and porting the heads will help, as there is less restriction for the supercharger to overcome at the inlet manifold.

By the same token, you could shove a potato in the tailpipe. You would see an increase in boost....but clearly a reduction in power.

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hi

Right i have got 11.5 seconds on my last E55 which had the following
168mm pulley
Kleemans Headers
SLR injectors
De cat
k&n
MT tires
Brabus LSD
DMS remap
car was running 470 rwhp


For the new project
180mm LET
80mm TB
Kleemans Headers
2.5 straight pipes to back boxes
K&n
LSD
Heat Exchange
DMS Custom remap

Cams and Head - left to do


Here in the Uk the tracks are rubbish and the weather is ****e lol
But i would be happy with anything in the 10s

Going to try and find the spec list and see

thanks acid
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Originally Posted by BRABUS786
hi

Anyone know what mods need to be done to put the SLR cams????

Will Be Porting my heads and wanted to know will there be any power loss??? because there is less restriction. does the charger loses any psi???

Trying get the car to be running in the 10s on the quarter mile.

Thanks
i don't have the specs in front of me but the mods to get the slr cams to fit perfectly are fairly simple for any machine shop. one slr cam is slightly longer than it's e55 replacement and the other is slightly shorter. you will need to grind down one cam end and make a spacer for the other. it's not needed but i also performed a slight modification to the cam gears to make sure they don't slip (almost every cam gear i've seen removed has had its keyway stretched a bit).

i wouldn't let any machine shop rework your heads. i've heard of several that have tried without a single success story to go along with it. might be worth going with kleemann in that department.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 02:30 PM
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how much are PTE and KLEEMANN cams go for?
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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kleemans i can get for £1500
SLR £1450
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i don't have the specs in front of me but the mods to get the slr cams to fit perfectly are fairly simple for any machine shop. one slr cam is slightly longer than it's e55 replacement and the other is slightly shorter. you will need to grind down one cam end and make a spacer for the other. it's not needed but i also performed a slight modification to the cam gears to make sure they don't slip (almost every cam gear i've seen removed has had its keyway stretched a bit).

i wouldn't let any machine shop rework your heads. i've heard of several that have tried without a single success story to go along with it. might be worth going with kleemann in that department.
Mikey what do you think about SLR vs. PTE cams?
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Mikey what do you think about SLR vs. PTE cams?
personally, i'm not sure any cam is worth the cost to hp ratio as none of them make much power over stock and i haven't seen enough info or real world performance data on the pte cams to decisively make that call. however, knowing pte, if one was looking for every last hp with little consideration for cost, i would expect his cams to be the best choice we have so far.
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Originally Posted by BRABUS786
hi

Right i have got 11.5 seconds on my last E55 which had the following
168mm pulley
Kleemans Headers
SLR injectors
De cat
k&n
MT tires
Brabus LSD
DMS remap
car was running 470 rwhp


For the new project
180mm LET
80mm TB
Kleemans Headers
2.5 straight pipes to back boxes
K&n
LSD
Heat Exchange
DMS Custom remap

Cams and Head - left to do


Here in the Uk the tracks are rubbish and the weather is ****e lol
But i would be happy with anything in the 10s

Going to try and find the spec list and see

thanks acid
you should try the 82mm TB if you want to get into the 10's
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Originally Posted by BRABUS786
kleemans i can get for £1500
SLR £1450
thats in pounds

Tried PTE no respose yet
E55 RUSS was selling a set of VRP/PTE cams earlier this year. It was quite a while back so they are probably sold but you could try contacting him.
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