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Old 02-21-2010, 03:42 PM
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Why so many power discrepancies?

I hope I dont get lynched for asking...But I just got done dumping a lot of money into my car being rebuilt and doing a considerable amount of mods and I am constantly reading about cars that have much less mods (stage 1 or stage 2) that are doing the same or better dyno numbers. I know dyno doesnt mean much but I cant help but wonder why such large variations - even when comparing using the same brand dyno (mustang, dyno jet, etc). I broke into mid 5's with my build but I read of others who have supposedly a fraction of th e mods doing much bigger numbers and I am wondering if there is something I am doing wrong...Ultimately I know track numbers trump all but I am curious if there are some hidden mods everyone with these crazy numbers is doing that I am not aware of.
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Originally Posted by beauphus
I hope I dont get lynched for asking...But I just got done dumping a lot of money into my car being rebuilt and doing a considerable amount of mods and I am constantly reading about cars that have much less mods (stage 1 or stage 2) that are doing the same or better dyno numbers. I know dyno doesnt mean much but I cant help but wonder why such large variations - even when comparing using the same brand dyno (mustang, dyno jet, etc). I broke into mid 5's with my build but I read of others who have supposedly a fraction of th e mods doing much bigger numbers and I am wondering if there is something I am doing wrong...Ultimately I know track numbers trump all but I am curious if there are some hidden mods everyone with these crazy numbers is doing that I am not aware of.
You already said it, dyno #'s are just numbers for tuning the car. Get it to the track if you want the real gauge of how much power you are making. Alan's car dyno's at 447 or something like that but he traps over 130. get it to the track!
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Originally Posted by beauphus
I hope I dont get lynched for asking...But I just got done dumping a lot of money into my car being rebuilt and doing a considerable amount of mods and I am constantly reading about cars that have much less mods (stage 1 or stage 2) that are doing the same or better dyno numbers. I know dyno doesnt mean much but I cant help but wonder why such large variations - even when comparing using the same brand dyno (mustang, dyno jet, etc). I broke into mid 5's with my build but I read of others who have supposedly a fraction of th e mods doing much bigger numbers and I am wondering if there is something I am doing wrong...Ultimately I know track numbers trump all but I am curious if there are some hidden mods everyone with these crazy numbers is doing that I am not aware of.
get ur car down to moroso or whatever the new name is .. see what it does on track to get what it really can do .. but i'm like u dont get the #'s cars are putting down with alot less mods .. from talking to pat ur car should be a beast
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Originally Posted by vinnyz
get ur car down to moroso or whatever the new name is .. see what it does on track to get what it really can do .. but i'm like u dont get the #'s cars are putting down with alot less mods .. from talking to pat ur car should be a beast
She's a beast for sure. The power curve is perfect as is torque and afr. The power comes on early and never plateaus or dips. Makes constant strong power all through the band. I just don't understand some of these other cars claiming a lot less mods yet making 50rwhp more then mine. Strange...
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She's a beast for sure. The power curve is perfect as is torque and afr. The power comes on early and never plateaus or dips. Makes constant strong power all through the band. I just don't understand some of these other cars claiming a lot less mods yet making 50rwhp more then mine. Strange...
hey i'm right there with u on that .. think we have to take into effect that we live in fl and our weather sucks with the humidity is always high here .. these cars are beast in low humidity .. thats my theory on it .. but from what i know about ur car u should be one of the fastest cars here just have to get right tires for track and learn how to launch it . a few guys here have 55's now and showed them at track and they ran there best times .. i like to see urs run for sure
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Yeah man, dyno numbers are really only good for same day tuning, effect, etc. I think a lot of people on here inflate their dyno numbers as much as their egos, then get dddrrrruuuuuugggggg....
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Originally Posted by beauphus
I hope I dont get lynched for asking...But I just got done dumping a lot of money into my car being rebuilt and doing a considerable amount of mods and I am constantly reading about cars that have much less mods (stage 1 or stage 2) that are doing the same or better dyno numbers. I know dyno doesnt mean much but I cant help but wonder why such large variations - even when comparing using the same brand dyno (mustang, dyno jet, etc). I broke into mid 5's with my build but I read of others who have supposedly a fraction of th e mods doing much bigger numbers and I am wondering if there is something I am doing wrong...Ultimately I know track numbers trump all but I am curious if there are some hidden mods everyone with these crazy numbers is doing that I am not aware of.
Your car will be one of the fastest on here. Don't worry about the dyno number. It's the track that where it'll count. Also dynos are tuning tool and some dynos can be manipulate so the number car be inflate. I'm glad your car is back and running, enjoy it and stay away from the puddles.
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Dyno numbers don't mean anything. Get the car to the track and make people
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Originally Posted by vinnyz
hey i'm right there with u on that .. think we have to take into effect that we live in fl and our weather sucks with the humidity is always high here .. these cars are beast in low humidity .. thats my theory on it .. but from what i know about ur car u should be one of the fastest cars here just have to get right tires for track and learn how to launch it . a few guys here have 55's now and showed them at track and they ran there best times .. i like to see urs run for sure
Probably gonna run bad until i get drag radials...I run a 305/25/20 in the rear. Maybe ill hold the title "fastest on 20's & rubberbands". lol
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Originally Posted by beauphus
I hope I dont get lynched for asking...But I just got done dumping a lot of money into my car being rebuilt and doing a considerable amount of mods and I am constantly reading about cars that have much less mods (stage 1 or stage 2) that are doing the same or better dyno numbers. I know dyno doesnt mean much but I cant help but wonder why such large variations - even when comparing using the same brand dyno (mustang, dyno jet, etc). I broke into mid 5's with my build but I read of others who have supposedly a fraction of th e mods doing much bigger numbers and I am wondering if there is something I am doing wrong...Ultimately I know track numbers trump all but I am curious if there are some hidden mods everyone with these crazy numbers is doing that I am not aware of.
What mods do you have?
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Take it from the king of Dyno Queens. Dynos dont mean crap.

First E55 (or pretty close) in the US to push to 700hp and last time at Famoso..................

couldn't break into 11's.

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Take it from the king of Dyno Queens. Dynos dont mean crap.

First E55 (or pretty close) in the US to push to 700hp and last time at Famoso..................

couldn't break into 11's.


Yea, but what were your traps? Personally, I don't care much for the 1/4 ... so if you're trapping 125-130, you should be very happy (I know I would be) ...


What does it take in an E55 to trap 125-130mph? pulley/tune/HE/pump/headers/tb get you there or close to it?
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
Dyno numbers don't mean anything. Get the car to the track and make people
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Dynos dont mean anything.
Last year I dynoed 534RWHP on a dyno dynamics
2 days ago, i dynoed on a different dyno dynamics and got 427 RWHP
Every dyno is different.
I can tell you that my car certainly hasnt goten any slower since last year
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Dynos dont mean anything.
Last year I dynoed 534RWHP on a dyno dynamics
2 days ago, i dynoed on a different dyno dynamics and got 427 RWHP
Every dyno is different.
I can tell you that my car certainly hasnt goten any slower since last year
Blue Monster's ride is indeed QUICK!
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Blue Monster's ride is indeed QUICK!
Compared to yours it is SLOWWWWWWWW
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Compared to yours it is SLOWWWWWWWW
PPPPPSSSSSSTTTTTT....HARDLY my good friend...yer car IS an absolute beast!!!
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why are all the fast AMG's in cali? must be those fast tarcks u guys have. im gonna have to put the east coast on the map
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Originally Posted by beauphus
why are all the fast AMG's in cali? must be those fast tarcks u guys have. im gonna have to put the east coast on the map
There are a good number of FAST AMG's on the east coast...
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Most AMGs are sold in SOCal. East coast tracks are actually faster......
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Originally Posted by ELITE_KOV
Yea, but what were your traps? Personally, I don't care much for the 1/4 ... so if you're trapping 125-130, you should be very happy (I know I would be) ...


What does it take in an E55 to trap 125-130mph? pulley/tune/HE/pump/headers/tb get you there or close to it?
Hell with the right ecu tune, pulley and exhaust improvement can get you close to 125 and you'll need intake work along with a throttle body upgrade to be able to get you close to 130.
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Originally Posted by beauphus
why are all the fast AMG's in cali? must be those fast tarcks u guys have. im gonna have to put the east coast on the map
Haha....us West Coast guys were thinking of coming to MIR and race with you guys over there. I have to admit you guys do have it tough most of the year but if you look at places like Bradenton and Orlando during this time of the year you'll see that you also have some very fast tracks with very low humidity which sit at sea level. Bradenton was at -500 with 35% humidity the other day..... Vinny is trapping with the best of them with some excellent MPH. When you track your car Vinny's car will be a excellent comparison.
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Originally Posted by bassn_07
Haha....us West Coast guys were thinking of coming to MIR and race with you guys over there. I have to admit you guys do have it tough most of the year but if you look at places like Bradenton and Orlando during this time of the year you'll see that you also have some very fast tracks with very low humidity which sit at sea level. Bradenton was at -500 with 35% humidity the other day..... Vinny is trapping with the best of them with some excellent MPH. When you track your car Vinny's car will be a excellent comparison.
im predicting my car wont do too well in the 1/4 with these wagon wheels i got on it. alan - let me borrow ur rears and skinnies for a minute...
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Originally Posted by beauphus
why are all the fast AMG's in cali? must be those fast tarcks u guys have. im gonna have to put the east coast on the map
hey u watch it now some of us east coast guys have fast cars .. when u wanna track it then let me know i'll be more than willing to let u use my 17's with mickey's .. besides i need something here to beat my times to make me wanna come out of retirement damn i sound like brett favre


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