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Old 03-12-2010 | 11:59 AM
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Bruv, my problem is that I dont have specialists who can do a remap on the ECU with dyno and stuff! I just can send my ECU back to the dealers so they can do it without a car!
That kind of tuning as a bit crappy , in my opinion!
I got kleemann camshafts, 80mm TB, kleemann headers, k&n filters,kleemann ecu upgrade,pulley, LSD!
Planing to do a cooling upgrade and may be getting an Air fiber box!
MY MAIN PROBLEM IS WITH ECU REMAPING!
Budget is pretty fat! my goal is 11.5 )
Old 03-12-2010 | 12:03 PM
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Hi everyone! I am new to this website but kinda happy that I found the right place for MB lovers.
I have w211 e55 with stage 4 kleemann upgrades on it, including kleemann LSD!
I wanted ask I, if there is a need to uprgade IC cooling system and what else I could do to make my car run faster?! Sometimes in hot weather it feels like I need to upgrade some other parts of it! Any one has experience in this?
hope somebody will respond!
When I get familiar with this forum I'll upload some pics!
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Old 03-12-2010 | 12:05 PM
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Definitely do heat exchanger and pump. You should be at 11.5 with some drag radials. I agree that remote tuning isn't ideal but it's better than nothing. Good luck
Old 03-12-2010 | 12:33 PM
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Definitely do heat exchanger and pump. You should be at 11.5 with some drag radials. I agree that remote tuning isn't ideal but it's better than nothing. Good luck
Thank you bruv . When I am done i'll post some pictures.
Old 03-12-2010 | 01:11 PM
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I think you're getting the hang of it. Eurocharged is an asset to this community. I would work with them as much as possible to get an 11.5. How does a 10.9 sound?
Old 03-12-2010 | 02:05 PM
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Just my opinion buy you should be able to pick up more HP with big Long tube headers. I don't know your budget but do a search on this site and you'll find plenty of information.
Originally Posted by zbaron
In my opinion kleeman headers are fine. I would rather buy evosport complete cooling package instead of those headers.
Originally Posted by Luke_M
Here is why I say long tubes are better then kleemann. Better in the sense that they make more power. I believe they just bolt right up so that is a plus for them.

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...n-headers.html
Hmmm... they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Luke_M, are you aware that Kleemann's M156 "header" is a completely different approach and design than their M113 headers? The $2,500 M156 "header" is actually more of a high-flow manifold, with a high-flow primary cat downstream. The $1,500 M113 header is a true header... not quite a full LT, but a mid-length header with a primary-cat-delete downpipe. Here's what they look like:

Kleemann M113 55K headers:

http://www.fabspeed.com/Kleemann%20H...tock%20E55.pdf

vs. Kleemann M156 manifolds:

https://mbworld.org/forums/engine-pe...ckage-c63.html



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Well I really understood now that Complete Kleemann stage 4 kit is a bit crappy. Now I found out that there are headers which give more hp boost.
IMHO, you'd be hard-pressed to call any products from Kleemann, Renntech, Carlsson, etc. "crappy" - but to each his own. FWIW, you might pick up a little more power with a true LT header (e.g. Floored Fab, EC, et. al.) than the Kleemann headers you have presently... but I doubt it'll be much different. Do your own research and caveat emptor - can't trust everything you read on the internet.
Old 03-12-2010 | 02:19 PM
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Actually, you're right. I grabbed the wrong link. The one I was looking for were Long Tubes vs Renntech short headers I believe. I got a little quick so thanks for pointing that out.

However, the long tubes have proven to make the most power for the 55K engine (and the 63 apparently) so I do stand by that. I think that knowledge could serve Zbaron well. Here is the link I was looking for.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...re-w-dyno.html

Sound good?
Old 03-12-2010 | 02:29 PM
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Any one knows where I could send my ecu for custom remap?
Old 03-12-2010 | 02:32 PM
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Any one knows where I could send my ecu for custom remap?

We offer that for $800.00
Old 03-12-2010 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM
Hmmm... they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Luke_M, are you aware that Kleemann's M156 "header" is a completely different approach and design than their M113 headers? The $2,500 M156 "header" is actually more of a high-flow manifold, with a high-flow primary cat downstream. The $1,500 M113 header is a true header... not quite a full LT, but a mid-length header with a primary-cat-delete downpipe. Here's what they look like:

Kleemann M113 55K headers:

http://www.fabspeed.com/Kleemann%20H...tock%20E55.pdf

vs. Kleemann M156 manifolds:

https://mbworld.org/forums/engine-pe...ckage-c63.html





IMHO, you'd be hard-pressed to call any products from Kleemann, Renntech, Carlsson, etc. "crappy" - but to each his own. FWIW, you might pick up a little more power with a true LT header (e.g. Floored Fab, EC, et. al.) than the Kleemann headers you have presently... but I doubt it'll be much different. Do your own research and caveat emptor - can't trust everything you read on the internet.

The headers I have are tubular one's. http://www.tdi-plc.com/catalog/images/KLEEMANHEADER.jpg
They should be fine though.
Old 03-12-2010 | 03:15 PM
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They should be fine. Just pointing out that the big boys are running full LT's. That's all
Old 03-12-2010 | 03:20 PM
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They should be fine. Just pointing out that the big boys are running full LT's. That's all
Haha) gotcha, I will begin with eurocharged heat exchanger and a pump+some air fiber+intake tubes.
I will try to race with that. After, LT's+ecu remap hopefully!
Old 03-12-2010 | 03:34 PM
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If I were you I would do upgraded heat exchanger/pump, 82mm TB, longtube headers/exhaust. Depends on your goals and budget
Listen to this guy. He knows a few things about going fast.
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Listen to this guy. He knows a few things about going fast.
Haha thanks Your car is fast!
Old 03-12-2010 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BenzoBoi
Listen to this guy. He knows a few things about going fast.
Heat exchanger/pump, MBH headers,carbon air fiber+intake tubes+ecu remap
thats what i am planing in near future....
80mm throttle body should be fine though!
Old 03-12-2010 | 03:53 PM
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Haha thanks Your car is fast!
Yer one of the reasons why it is a lil quick

Originally Posted by zbaron
Heat exchanger/pump, MBH headers,carbon air fiber+intake tubes+ecu remap
thats what i am planing in near future....
80mm throttle body should be fine though!
You should have yerself a beast after those mods. Some killer times at the track!
Old 03-12-2010 | 03:57 PM
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Yer one of the reasons why it is a lil quick



You should have yerself a beast after those mods. Some killer times at the track!
Hope that I could find some good tuners for my custom ecu remap after all of that!
When i'm done with tunin the car I will make a new thread and upload all the pics and stuff. Last issue is who to deal with regarding the ECU
By the way, ur avatar that silver mb! Got same HRE m-40, is it? :0
How do you feel bout those wheels?
In my country its cold atm, I dun drive the e55 now, just bought those wheels a while ago)))))))))
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Originally Posted by zbaron
Hope that I could find some good tuners for my custom ecu remap after all of that!
When i'm done with tunin the car I will make a new thread and upload all the pics and stuff. Last issue is who to deal with regarding the ECU
By the way, ur avatar that silver mb! Got same HRE m-40, is it? :0
How do you feel bout those wheels?
In my country its cold atm, I dun drive the e55 now, just bought those wheels a while ago)))))))))
I LOVED the wheels. They looked great and got TONS of compliments. Had them for a couple months and sold them because they weren't as light as I had hoped. If they were only a lil lighter, I would have kept them. Sold them and ended up with a set of 18's that were pretty light. Then ran some decent times at the track so I ended up selling them for something I can "cruise" in for summer. I plan on gettin another track set later on when the weather starts cooling down.
Old 03-12-2010 | 04:07 PM
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I LOVED the wheels. They looked great and got TONS of compliments. Had them for a couple months and sold them because they weren't as light as I had hoped. If they were only a lil lighter, I would have kept them. Sold them and ended up with a set of 18's that were pretty light. Then ran some decent times at the track so I ended up selling them for something I can "cruise" in for summer. I plan on gettin another track set later on when the weather starts cooling down.
Oh so this wheels arent good for racing!
How do you think if I swap the stock 18'' with some slicks on it, would that be fine? or i should waste some more money on buying racing wheels ((((((
With this MB, money is like water! have a subaru, tuning it costs much less!!!!!!
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Oh so this wheels arent good for racing!
How do you think if I swap the stock 18'' with some slicks on it, would that be fine? or i should waste some more money on buying racing wheels ((((((
With this MB, money is like water! have a subaru, tuning it costs much less!!!!!!
At first I thought these wheels would be somewhat light for being a one piece performance wheel but I found out HRE made them stronger and heavier on purpose so they could sell the wheels from the dealers.

Depends on what kind of racing you plan on doing. If you are going to the 1/4 mile track, I would recommend doing a CCW drag package for your ride for maximum traction. I have the set up and have had NO problem cutting 1.6's each and every time. If you don't want to spend too much money, just get some drags on your stock wheels and go from there. That should be fine too!

Good luck and definitely post some pics and times when you get it all taken care of!
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Originally Posted by BenzoBoi
At first I thought these wheels would be somewhat light for being a one piece performance wheel but I found out HRE made them stronger and heavier on purpose so they could sell the wheels from the dealers.

Depends on what kind of racing you plan on doing. If you are going to the 1/4 mile track, I would recommend doing a CCW drag package for your ride for maximum traction. I have the set up and have had NO problem cutting 1.6's each and every time. If you don't want to spend too much money, just get some drags on your stock wheels and go from there. That should be fine too!

Good luck and definitely post some pics and times when you get it all taken care of!
Aight, got that bruv! )
I will create an album after i am done!
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