zbaron

Hi everyone! I am new to this website but kinda happy that I found the right place for MB lovers.
I have w211 e55 with stage 4 kleemann upgrades on it, including kleemann LSD!
I wanted ask I, if there is a need to uprgade IC cooling system and what else I could do to make my car run faster?! Sometimes in hot weather it feels like I need to upgrade some other parts of it! Any one has experience in this?
hope somebody will respond!
When I get familiar with this forum I'll upload some pics!
thanks in advance

wizos6

I seriously doubt you have a stage 4 car without cooling mods?>..You can split your cooling system and add a second resivior but I would think it would have that done too..Maybe if you can take photos of your lower front valence and engine bay we can see what you might have done too it.
Also-search cyrogenic air intake system on google to see if you might want to add different approaches to cooling.

acb

^^ what he said - stage 4 without a cooling upgrade is unlikley.

But whats with the black hood?

zbaron

Seriously without joking! In my country everyone wants just to sell the most expensive staff without assuring that car will work properly. In cold days there are no problems with driving. But when it gets hotter i feel car is getting slower. I surfed web found evosport kompressor cooling package , wonder if that would make any positive impact, and also would love to know if that stuff gonna work with stage 4 upgrades

zbaron

http://www.evosport.com/product/prod...ER.M5K.PPC.211

zbaron

Upon those k4 upgrades I am thinking of instaling intercooler upgrade package and also wanna add a carbon air fiber. With lsd and some tomi miakinens on 18'' should be a good time 1/4 mile. Just wondering if that kleeman ecu upgrade will work properly with the upgrades I want to add, or I will need a ecu custom remap? :S

skratch77

your pump is probably dead,log the iats with a scan too to see how hot they get.

Luke_M

The Kleemann K4 in fact does NOT come with a heat exchanger and/or pump. At least that is what their website leads one to believe. Ever see that video of a stock M6 beating a "640hp K4"? Well it may have started out with 640hp but it got it's *** kicked because this was missing. Add some cooling and bye bye M6. That's what all that nonsense was about.

http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/Engines/AMG55.aspx

No mention of a heat exchanger at all in that link.



Zbaron,

What you need my man is a good heat exchanger like what eurocharged has. A good pump would help too, either a johnson CM30 or a Meziere WP136 with the proper fittings. I'm going with the Meziere as it's a bit better from what I can tell.

Do that and you'll be set!

Heat Exhanger Link is below. I don't know if they ship to Russia though.

http://www.eurocharged.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=66

zbaron

Ha, got it! I am planing to race soon with some tuned m6 and rs6 mtn(2005) . Thus need to buy this staff. I am hoping to make some good video and pics in near future. Need to finish all the preparations. Thanks for sharing some knowledge , I am pretty sure I'll find some of those you listed above.

zbaron

620 HP 900Nm torque some good lsd and tires on 18''. Add some good cooling and this stuff might run around 11.8, may be a bit less. Planing to achieve it, need help and share of some experience

Luke_M

11.8 in the 1/4 mile? Get some cooling, maybe even an ice resevoir and slicks and you should be there - easy.

Just my opinion buy you should be able to pick up more HP with big Long tube headers. I don't know your budget but do a search on this site and you'll find plenty of information.

zbaron

About stock m6 beating k4 - they were rolling from 50mph . after 120miles m6 should eat 55 , due to smg gearing) but if we go from start on good tires 1/4 mile outcome might be different. depends on m6 though

zbaron

In my opinion kleeman headers are fine. I would rather buy evosport complete cooling package instead of those headers.
Evosport cooling package+carbon air fiber box= bmw killer))
planing to go for those mods upon those k4 upgrades. Just wondering if it works, or i will need ecu remap?!?!

chiromikey

that's a myth and has been disproven by a few properly modded e55's. search for frank's fully modded e55 racing a fully modded m5 and the m5 had no chance even from high speed rolls. that was over a year ago and now there's even more power coming out of the 55's!

zbaron

Share your opinions please: GOT K4 e55 what could be the other MODS which would help to build a faster car! NEED HELP ASAP

Luke_M

Here is why I say long tubes are better then kleemann. Better in the sense that they make more power. I believe they just bolt right up so that is a plus for them.

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...n-headers.html

I don't know if you need the evosport cooling kit, a bit pricy for what it is and you mentioned getting screwed out of money. Not saying they'll screw you but you can get a heat exchanger/pump for much cheaper and add a small resevoir for less then $100USD

Luke_M

What he said...

The M5/M6 top speed destruction is a myth and has been proven in stock vs stock and modded vs modded. That M6 vs E55 video of gustav's was BS because it lacked a simple cooling mod. The E55 was breathing in air that was hot as hell up top and lost power. Lots of power. The longer it went the more power it lost. It had nothing to do with the 7 speed smg although that is a nice feature. More horsepower wins. Period. Don't get me wrong, the 7 forward gears help but it doesn't overcome a 100+hp difference.

Zbaron,

I don't know your budget but you defintely need cooling, perhaps long tube headers and even a bigger pulley which would probably require a tune. But for the love of peanut butter and jelly get some cooling mods.

zbaron

I think I can afford evosport cooling package! What do you think of this mod:
http://gmpperformance.com/index.cfm?...ID=185757&VS=1
Cooling package + this one should be good, or?

zbaron

Well I really understood now that Complete Kleemann stage 4 kit is a bit crappy. Now I found out that there are headers which give more hp boost, now i found out that there are wider throttle bodies sold( kleemann 80mm, there is 82 mm throttle body on da market)
the saddest thing is that I dont have a specialist down here who could do custom mapping for the ECU.
aNy1 share ur views please

zbaron

So the Evosport cooling package with K4 mods should be fine, is that right bruv?
Not too sure about swaping Kleemann headers for long-tube ones, cause of the kleeman ecu.
but i will definetely buy a cooling mod asap. I think Evosport Package should be great

Luke_M

Check out the eurocharged heat exchanger I linked to earlier. I would talk to them about tuning also but $550USD for a HE and $150 or whatever for a pump is a killer deal compared to $2,500 for essentially the same thing from eurosport. The rest of that kit is just fluff IMO

Kleemann stuff is ok it's just that the mercedes aftermarket moves so slow and that was one of the first things available and it has been surpassed by now.

Talk to you later

zbaron

True- the difference in the price is drastical. But that evosport complete cooling package looks attractive though)

Luke_M

I'm not sure that the other items included in the evosport package are effective. Do a search on this site for "rear reservoir" as that may be a better option for you. This is in addition to a larger heat exchanger. In fact I think the evosport only adds a smaller secondary heat exchanger and while that's nice I think a larger primary one makes more sense. Add a secondary one just for good measure if you want. I'm going to attempt that myself. Just have to find the room!

zbaron

I am looking through other members threads about cooling atm! Hope to find some usefull staff!
By the way , was adviced to get a larger pulley, remove resonator and secondary cats!

blackbenzz

If I were you I would do upgraded heat exchanger/pump, 82mm TB, longtube headers/exhaust. Depends on your goals and budget