Kleeman55Rob

Hello,
I'm new to MBWorld.org. I have been a long time owner and just ended my relationship with my Audi S5. I am planning on purchasing an E55 with a Kleemann K4 kit. The owner claims the car is a K4 but does not have any paperwork to verify it. Is there anything I can check in the engine bay to verify that it is indeed a K4 and not a K2 or K1 etc.

Also, not as important, but what do these cars tend to produce on the dyno?

Thanks in Advance!

-Rob

tgoss

You may want to email Cory @ Kleemann to ask his opinion. You should be able to spot the headers pretty easily. I don't yet know what Kleemann's 80mm throttle body looks like compared to stock so I can't help you there and K3 = Cams so that would be impossible to tell by just looking under the hood.

Sounds incredibly bizarre the owner doesn't have any documented proof of the mods

Best of luck with the purchase. Strap it down on a dyno and see what she puts down. Should be close to 520whp if it's K4, would be my guess.

KLR CLS

You should be able to see headers, 80mm TB and Pulley. Unfortunately no way to verify the Cams are installed, except for maybe some idle lope or with dyno numbers which should be around 530-550 whp

Kleeman55Rob

Thanks for the replies guys.

skratch77

Cory left for vacation today untill oct 4th!!!

If anything the car is a basic k1 or maybe k2 car with headers.I doubt its a full k4 without any paper work.

Kleeman55Rob

Here is the car in question:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=220669480400

tgoss

Seems like an incredibly vague description for a car that "has been spared nothing on maintenance" There isn't even a list of options. Without seeing any documentation on the parts or looking at and driving the car I would be pretty cautious.

chawkins2001

If indeed it is a K4, that is one hell of a sleeper.

skratch77

k1 tune pulley 168-180
k2 headers
k3 cams
k4 tb 80,82mm

I think they should swap k3 and k4 around,k4 should be cams and k3 should be with tb.

Kleeman55Rob

The reason why the listing is vague is because it is the owners friend (a dealer) who is selling the car. He claims the car was modified by Kleemann (I doubt that) and it is the most expensive kit they sold. He says it was done when the car was brand new and can't locate the paperwork.

wtfpwnage

I dont trust dealer-erm(stealers) any further than I can throw em

Kleeman55Rob

Hahaha I agree. But this at least APPEARS to be legit. The dealer doesnt really know much about the car. The owner, has a ML63, S65, 911 Turbo and Lambo LP640. He never uses the E any more. I'm just curious if I can visually ensure that its a K4 kit. When I fly down to Pittsburgh to take delivery I won't have wired the $$$ over until I drive it and know everything is legit.

Maybe Kleemann has VIN records of any car they've done? Or are there any Kleemann authorized installers in the Pittsburgh area that might confirm they worked on the car.

Regardless, $32k for a clean low milage E55 I think is fair. It's fully loaded with adaptive seats, nav, and a pano roof.

KLR CLS

Very simple, get a pic of the the TB and crank pulley. If the TB is OEM 74mm then there is no way it's a K4 car cause nobody would do Cams before TB. I also think K4's came with Kleemann Airbox and SC cover. Bottom line I would doubt it without proof

Hammer Down

here is a real Kleemann K4

Kleeman55Rob

Ok so the consensus is that I need to take a look at the TB. And I assume they are clearly marked Kleemann?

HammerDown: I think its possible to have an engine without those Kleemann badges. Some people want their engine looking stock for warranty purposes.

Hammer Down

you may be right but someone that spends K4 $$$ is not worried about the warranty.

Kleeman55Rob

We'll find out when I fly down to PA to inspect the car.

Any K4 owners wanna chime in here? How do they like the car?

Vic55

Get someone with a modded E to roll down there and do some runs!!!!!!!!

skratch77

If that's a k4 car mine is a k8

scowil

where are you coming from? do you have any more info on where it is located? i might be able to swing and take a look at it if you need.

Karlson

typical Pittsburgh way to do business something is UP. looks total stock

Kleeman55Rob

scowil, thank you for the offer! I'm coming from Boston. Would fly down, inspect the car, and drive it home. It's in Pittsburgh PA.

Kleeman55Rob

you really think?

Like I said the owner, is very well off. Owns a variety of performance cars and exotics. He absolutely has the means to have done a K4 on this car. He's not looking to screw someone over or make a buck.

skratch77

Im from boston man,if you want my brother is selling his e55 and its a cpo

Vic55

But its not in his hands, its with a dealer now and that changes the dynamic... Who mods their car to the max and doesnt have one shred of proof? Id be cautious here. Im not saying it doesnt have the mods but with our proof to me its not legit.