Drsg Radials and Dyno Mode?
09-30-2010, 02:57 PM
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Drsg Radials and Dyno Mode?
For you folks running sticky meats, are you making your runs in Dyno Mode to be able to heat them up good, or are you just giving them a light smoking to clean them up?
Can you put down the power throughout the run using dyno mode and DR's?
Can you put down the power throughout the run using dyno mode and DR's?
09-30-2010, 03:24 PM
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Yes, on the E55`s but not on the CL,S,SL.. not sure on the CLS.. My ECU over-rides the ESP off and still cuts power in the water box. It also cuts power on the launch with ESP off and If I run in dyno mode, it goes into limp mode (tranny freaks out and codes).. Very violent too!
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09-30-2010, 03:26 PM
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DerekFSU swore by dyno mode for the entire run and was the fastest in the US for years by doing it (he ran NOS), but with Bassn_07 running 10's without it and Mikey knocking on 10's without it, guess it wasn't really needed.
I don't how you guys are doing it by the way. Every time I launch I get the yellow triangle of death along with TB shutdown and bogging.
Wild how the pros get 1.5-1.6's without that demonic triangle!!!!
I don't how you guys are doing it by the way. Every time I launch I get the yellow triangle of death along with TB shutdown and bogging.
Wild how the pros get 1.5-1.6's without that demonic triangle!!!!
09-30-2010, 03:49 PM
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I run only esp off and heat the living **** out of the tires... see video at 6 min mark..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TYGwrDhK-s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TYGwrDhK-s
09-30-2010, 04:10 PM
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Yes, on the E55`s but not on the CL,S,SL.. not sure on the CLS.. My ECU over-rides the ESP off and still cuts power in the water box. It also cuts power on the launch with ESP off and If I run in dyno mode, it goes into limp mode (tranny freaks out and codes).. Very violent too!
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09-30-2010, 04:43 PM
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Yes, on the E55`s but not on the CL,S,SL.. not sure on the CLS.. My ECU over-rides the ESP off and still cuts power in the water box. It also cuts power on the launch with ESP off and If I run in dyno mode, it goes into limp mode (tranny freaks out and codes).. Very violent too!
09-30-2010, 05:14 PM
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For my E55, I have to use dyno mode. Can't do a burn out with out it. No real issues with the launch with or without dyno mode, but it's definitely necessary for my car if I want to heat up the tires.
After 15 or so runs, my tranny did go into limp mode. Turned the car off and back on, and it was happy again.
After 15 or so runs, my tranny did go into limp mode. Turned the car off and back on, and it was happy again.
09-30-2010, 05:26 PM
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Thanks guys. I can't get the tires to heat up for long without ESP nanny overriding with ESP button off. I am not looking for John force style smokies, just a might want to heat them alittle more with the DR. Let you know how it goes sunday.
09-30-2010, 07:36 PM
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10-01-2010, 12:14 AM
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I have a P030 car with the AMG LSD. Probably the main reason I previously cut 1.7's on 20". I think I should better that this weekend on the hoosiers.
10-01-2010, 03:35 AM
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I'm now on my 3rd set of DR's and by far the Hoosier are my favorite. My previous setup with the CCW's mounted with MT's Street Radial 255-50-16 got me in the low to mid 1.6's. Now with the Hoosiers I consistently cut high 1.5's to low 1.6's. Not much better but the times I'm now running every little bit helps.
Do you mind sharing the plan of attack on your launches? I have changed my launching technique a few times now with various setups. Right now I'm launching right off idle, maybe a tad higher with great success. Before with my MT's and shorty headers I was leaving at 1200, which at that time worked well. Make sure to vary your launches and pay close attention to your RPM's on take off, forget about RT's and just take your time leaving the line. All though since I've changed my setup yet again my 60' times are a tad higher and some tweaking is still needed.
Good luck this weekend and have fun...
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10-01-2010, 08:39 AM
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The MB OEM LSD is only ~70% lock up so you will still have massive intrusion by the ESP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zsL3EJzutw
10-01-2010, 08:44 AM
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This video is a 09 CLS 63 that we had just installed a Quaife in and there was no intrusion by the ESP so please quantify what you mean Mikey.
The MB OEM LSD is only ~70% lock up so you will still have massive intrusion by the ESP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zsL3EJzutw
The MB OEM LSD is only ~70% lock up so you will still have massive intrusion by the ESP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zsL3EJzutw
As it is a derivative of a Gleason torsen, SP, I highly doubt it.
But I will agree that it is MUCH better than the stocker.
Never mind here is what Quiefe says:
"Rather, it automatically biases the torque away from the spinning wheel across the axle, to a constantly varying degree and never locks"
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10-01-2010, 10:18 AM
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Are you implying that the mighty Quaife is 100%?
As it is a derivative of a Gleason torsen, SP, I highly doubt it.
But I will agree that it is MUCH better than the stocker.
Never mind here is what Quiefe says:
"Rather, it automatically biases the torque away from the spinning wheel across the axle, to a constantly varying degree and never locks"
As it is a derivative of a Gleason torsen, SP, I highly doubt it.
But I will agree that it is MUCH better than the stocker.
Never mind here is what Quiefe says:
"Rather, it automatically biases the torque away from the spinning wheel across the axle, to a constantly varying degree and never locks"
Where did I imply it was a true 100% lock up? It works great to eliminate the "flashing" yellow triangle that the OP was referring to and he has the MB LSD.
10-01-2010, 10:28 AM
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What I was referring to was with the Quaife installed, the rear wheel speed sensors will not fall out of the factory set parameters to have the ESP interfere with the rotation of the rear tires.
Where did I imply it was a true 100% lock up? It works great to eliminate the "flashing" yellow triangle that the OP was referring to and he has the MB LSD.
Where did I imply it was a true 100% lock up? It works great to eliminate the "flashing" yellow triangle that the OP was referring to and he has the MB LSD.
10-01-2010, 12:17 PM
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This video is a 09 CLS 63 that we had just installed a Quaife in and there was no intrusion by the ESP so please quantify what you mean Mikey.
The MB OEM LSD is only ~70% lock up so you will still have massive intrusion by the ESP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zsL3EJzutw
The MB OEM LSD is only ~70% lock up so you will still have massive intrusion by the ESP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zsL3EJzutw
btw, my e55 with it's open diff was able to perform burnouts just like the cls in your video long before it had a quaife and i never had any intrusion by the esp. the only reason i installed the quaife was because i twisted an axle in my diff and ruined both and the quaife was a much cheaper (and better) solution. otherwise i'd still be successfully doing burnouts and blowing down the 1/4mile with the stock open diff.
anyways, it's all speculation on my part and i'm just glad i never had this problem.
10-01-2010, 12:32 PM
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according to exotic, his esp cuts in even when in the water box. this to me would imply that both rear wheels should have been spinning easily regardless of having and open diff. so my conclusion would be that esp is activating because the rear wheels are spinning while the fronts are not, rather than one side more than the other.
btw, my e55 with it's open diff was able to perform burnouts just like the cls in your video long before it had a quaife and i never had any intrusion by the esp. the only reason i installed the quaife was because i twisted an axle in my diff and ruined both and the quaife was a much cheaper (and better) solution. otherwise i'd still be successfully doing burnouts and blowing down the 1/4mile with the stock open diff.
anyways, it's all speculation on my part and i'm just glad i never had this problem.
btw, my e55 with it's open diff was able to perform burnouts just like the cls in your video long before it had a quaife and i never had any intrusion by the esp. the only reason i installed the quaife was because i twisted an axle in my diff and ruined both and the quaife was a much cheaper (and better) solution. otherwise i'd still be successfully doing burnouts and blowing down the 1/4mile with the stock open diff.
anyways, it's all speculation on my part and i'm just glad i never had this problem.
Probably the main reason you could do a burnout with both wheels instead of being a one legger with an open diff! Your launching skill and rep precedes you my friend!
10-01-2010, 09:07 PM
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You can surely cut big 60ft times in dyno mode, just get a et street type tire and hope you half shafts dont snap
I am thinking with the correct wheel, in our case 16" at it smallest from ccw, put a slick on there, turn dyno on, you will run just as quick 60ft's.
I am thinking with the correct wheel, in our case 16" at it smallest from ccw, put a slick on there, turn dyno on, you will run just as quick 60ft's.
10-01-2010, 10:06 PM
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Hoosiers FTW!!!!
I'm now on my 3rd set of DR's and by far the Hoosier are my favorite. My previous setup with the CCW's mounted with MT's Street Radial 255-50-16 got me in the low to mid 1.6's. Now with the Hoosiers I consistently cut high 1.5's to low 1.6's. Not much better but the times I'm now running every little bit helps.
Do you mind sharing the plan of attack on your launches? I have changed my launching technique a few times now with various setups. Right now I'm launching right off idle, maybe a tad higher with great success. Before with my MT's and shorty headers I was leaving at 1200, which at that time worked well. Make sure to vary your launches and pay close attention to your RPM's on take off, forget about RT's and just take your time leaving the line. All though since I've changed my setup yet again my 60' times are a tad higher and some tweaking is still needed.
Good luck this weekend and have fun...!!!!
I'm now on my 3rd set of DR's and by far the Hoosier are my favorite. My previous setup with the CCW's mounted with MT's Street Radial 255-50-16 got me in the low to mid 1.6's. Now with the Hoosiers I consistently cut high 1.5's to low 1.6's. Not much better but the times I'm now running every little bit helps.
Do you mind sharing the plan of attack on your launches? I have changed my launching technique a few times now with various setups. Right now I'm launching right off idle, maybe a tad higher with great success. Before with my MT's and shorty headers I was leaving at 1200, which at that time worked well. Make sure to vary your launches and pay close attention to your RPM's on take off, forget about RT's and just take your time leaving the line. All though since I've changed my setup yet again my 60' times are a tad higher and some tweaking is still needed.
Good luck this weekend and have fun...
!!!!
10-02-2010, 04:56 AM
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Even with the factory open diff, if the rear wheels are spinning within the speed sensor parameters(very similar wheel speed), the ESP shouldn't interfere but we all know what an AMAZING and SKILLED driver YOU are Mikey! Probably the main reason you could do a burnout with both wheels instead of being a one legger with an open diff!
Your launching skill and rep precedes you my friend!
Probably the main reason you could do a burnout with both wheels instead of being a one legger with an open diff! Your launching skill and rep precedes you my friend!
