mikey33

Evolved8

Hello2 = Banned???

John2011

Hooley let me first say forget the detractors. It seems everyone today wants something for nothing and internet car forums are no different. Don't even bother wasting your time responding.

Regarding the above, I will agree with Ghazan in that these headers are actually midlengths. How long is the longest primary on these headers?

Zmydust

This is coming from someone who is new to the site so take it with a grain of salt. It appears you have a great header design in relation to no CEL's, no fitment issues, etc. The real issue appears to be the price , I know we are driving Mercedes here but that much for a set of headers makes even someone like myself with a decent amount of "toy play money" cringe. Since the jig would be essentially the same why not offer a mild steel coated set as well? Cracking could be virtually eliminated with a small flex section . It would seem you could offer both and have multiple areas of the market covered without much more in R&D since the same jig could be used.

Just food for thought,
Jonathan

MBH motorsports

I stick with the mantra of "if I wouldn't put it on my car I wont offer it" I understand these headers are not for everyone

mikey33

Why not do it if your customers want it? It is not like they are going to fall apart. I think you could bring the price down by at least $1k. Seems like there is some other reasoning besides you wanting to not sell what you would not put on your car.

tgoss

Miley how do you figure the price could drop a g? Personally for what these are I think it's a great deal for the quality of product you are getting.

He'll Renntech headers are above this ballpark... And people still buy those without a complaint so why, especially if Hooley isnt willing to compromise his product, could he drop the price more than his sale price?

I Like Soup

Yeah, I don't think it is realistic to drop the price $1K for coated mild steel long tube headers. With that said, I do think it is smart business to offer products that people obviously want, even though it may go against your own personal taste.

MBH motorsports

I could rattle off a bunch or reasons why not to use mild steel. However there are no more reasons why I choose to make stainless steel headers other than the fact that I don't want mild steel headers on my car. I'm not in the biz of widening my customer base. We are very busy as is. With that said there is no such thing as an MBH customer and a mild steel header.

I cater to the people who want stuff made out of the best materials. Is that going to be everyone? No. Its really this simple, I like nice things and I'm willing to pay for it. I wont stand behind a product I wouldn't use. That philosophy rings true with everyone involved with MBH. When it comes to headers for me? Its stainless of nothing.

When it comes to companies that sell headers you never see "mild steel" in their name, but you do see "stainless". Imagine names like "Burns Mild Steel" or "Mild Steel works".

theeddie

am i the only one going wtf .

you really pay your fabricator $75/hour.. my god man.

so that means you charge your customer $150/hour at least!! how do you stay in business?
i guess arizona is booming. i might need to open another location in Arizona can you say $15/bottle of bud light. is it the next southbeach?

mikey33

If you are only looking to cater to one crowd and you are busy as is then that makes perfect sense. I was just thinking that since a lot of people do not really care or are more inclined to buy a mild steel product that is cheaper that you would want to make more sales. From what I researched mild steel is not a crappy product and should last a long time. Just sayin.....

mikey33

I am just going off what a buddy told me that buys these materials frequently. I have no personal experience buying these materials or anything, so it is just reiteration and not something to be taken as exact as prices do change with many variables.

dychen

Have you never heard of Scottsdale AZ? Paradise Valley? Some of the richest people own homes in those neighborhoods.

emoving

Wow,,,,way to crap on a sponsors thread. I cant understand why if you choose to buy the cheap crap, why you come and crap on the good stuff. To each is their own. If you dont want to pay to play then just dont. But dont crap up the thread. There are a few wana be's in this thread and the reason they bargain shop is because they are on the verge of not even being able to afford the car in the first place. That is fine, but why throw stones when you live in a glass house?

tgoss

That's more like it.

sinister55

Agreed

sinister55

YEA

chawkins2001

Alot of *** CLOWNS on this site as of late.

Zmydust

Just to clarify, my suggestion was a sincere one and in no way an attempt to "crap" on anyone's thread or advertisement.

emoving

Haaa! Thats an oldie but goodie! I love that one!

mikey33

Am I an *** Clown lol

emoving

I didnt used to think so but you a sure are pushing Hooleys thread bro.

mikey33

I was simply asking questions and nothing else. BTW, I like your location . We got the OSU Flag flying above our house!

kustom2k1

Wonder what materials were used in these headers..PLM's ... and maybe someone here can help this fellow
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...em-header.html

emoving

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