Who has the highest dyno numbers these days?
03-01-2011, 04:55 PM
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03-01-2011, 07:42 PM
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oh.... and he dynoed his car at many places.... one showed 447 rwhp 
03-01-2011, 11:02 PM
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Incorrect and proven many times over, since the beginning of horsepower wars during Prohibition.
It's also how an engine makes power. This is why you might see factory cars, such as is prevalent with Porsche, where the lower HP factory car turns in faster drag times than an aftermarket conversion. This was also the case for the old 5 cylinder Audis, and especially for the 20v 5 cylinder engines, which produced on paper quite miniscule amounts of power, yet were deceivingly fast due to their flat torque curves and other items, such as ratios.
Where the power is produced, how wide the power band is, volumetric efficiency, ratios, weight, and other items all add up, not to mention torque convertors and parasitic losses.
I'd pick the car with less HP any day that will turn in faster Autobahn times due to suspension setup. That's actually what you'll find in Germany. 200hp, but huge brakes, tires, wheels, and a suspension designed for 150+.
It's also how an engine makes power. This is why you might see factory cars, such as is prevalent with Porsche, where the lower HP factory car turns in faster drag times than an aftermarket conversion. This was also the case for the old 5 cylinder Audis, and especially for the 20v 5 cylinder engines, which produced on paper quite miniscule amounts of power, yet were deceivingly fast due to their flat torque curves and other items, such as ratios.
Where the power is produced, how wide the power band is, volumetric efficiency, ratios, weight, and other items all add up, not to mention torque convertors and parasitic losses.
I'd pick the car with less HP any day that will turn in faster Autobahn times due to suspension setup. That's actually what you'll find in Germany. 200hp, but huge brakes, tires, wheels, and a suspension designed for 150+.
You highlighted where I said "ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL" then proceeded to give a set of examples highlighting all possible variables. All things being equal means same cars, weight, co-efficient of traction, engine typ, driver skill etc. The point being that 2 e55's similarly equiped, the one with more power will be faster. Obiviously a 300 hp 300KG go cart will be faster than a 500 3000kg car, but as we are talking about comparing 55K dynos the base of comparison is inferred...
03-02-2011, 12:07 AM
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03-02-2011, 12:40 AM
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[quote=MB_Forever;4547419]Bassn_07 owns the quickest/fastest E55 known to date.... His record is 10.77 @ 135 mph and with less mods than Loco oh.... and he dynoed his car at many places.... one showed 447 rwhp
Hey Mo! Regardless of what mods he had at the time, his car is the fastest non-nitrous 55K that i know..whats impressive is the DA he did it in Epic!!!
He has passed on a few of his tricks as well. I believe Alan's Car had Renntech Airbox, Rear reservoir, LT's and 100oct tune perhaps..My mods are as follows 82tb,180mm,Kleemann Headers with X-pipe and stock airboxes with paper AMG filters on 93 tune and a hell of a DA
oh.... and he dynoed his car at many places.... one showed 447 rwhp Hey Mo! Regardless of what mods he had at the time, his car is the fastest non-nitrous 55K that i know..whats impressive is the DA he did it in
Epic!!! He has passed on a few of his tricks as well. I believe Alan's Car had Renntech Airbox, Rear reservoir, LT's and 100oct tune perhaps..My mods are as follows 82tb,180mm,Kleemann Headers with X-pipe and stock airboxes with paper AMG filters on 93 tune and a hell of a DA
03-02-2011, 01:04 AM
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[QUOTE=LOCO 05' E55;4547902]
Bassn_07 owns the quickest/fastest E55 known to date.... His record is 10.77 @ 135 mph and with less mods than Loco oh.... and he dynoed his car at many places.... one showed 447 rwhp
Hey Mo! Regardless of what mods he had at the time, his car is the fastest non-nitrous 55K that i know..whats impressive is the DA he did it in Epic!!!
He has passed on a few of his tricks as well. I believe Alan's Car had Renntech Airbox, Rear reservoir, LT's and 100oct tune perhaps..My mods are as follows 82tb,180mm,Kleemann Headers with X-pipe and stock airboxes with paper AMG filters on 93 tune and a hell of a DA
oh.... and he dynoed his car at many places.... one showed 447 rwhp Hey Mo! Regardless of what mods he had at the time, his car is the fastest non-nitrous 55K that i know..whats impressive is the DA he did it in
Epic!!! He has passed on a few of his tricks as well. I believe Alan's Car had Renntech Airbox, Rear reservoir, LT's and 100oct tune perhaps..My mods are as follows 82tb,180mm,Kleemann Headers with X-pipe and stock airboxes with paper AMG filters on 93 tune and a hell of a DA
03-02-2011, 01:18 AM
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My SL puts down 504whp and 592wtq. My brothers CLS55 508whp and 580wtq? I cant recall his numbers after his last runs on Friday. These number are on a Dyno Dynamics. We have a customer who put down 578whp and 660wtq. However that car never leaves his garage. I got some big mods planned here soon. its just a matter of fitting myself in.
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03-02-2011, 03:19 AM
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You highlighted where I said "ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL" then proceeded to give a set of examples highlighting all possible variables. All things being equal means same cars, weight, co-efficient of traction, engine typ, driver skill etc. The point being that 2 e55's similarly equiped, the one with more power will be faster. Obiviously a 300 hp 300KG go cart will be faster than a 500 3000kg car, but as we are talking about comparing 55K dynos the base of comparison is inferred...
03-05-2011, 12:34 AM
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As you clearly think you are smarter than you are, I will not bother to point out the fact that you are stating the obvious... oh wait, I just did that..opps.
THE DISCUSSION HERE IS COMPARING SIMILARLY EQUIPED 55K CARS.
All the highest powered cars on this board have nearly the same mods. In fact I have the exact same mods as the OP of this thread. His dyno is higher, but the power band and delivery is the same. If both of our cars were side by side, with all thigs being equal his "should" be faster. This is the point of this thread.
Go read the internets some more and find some other obivious and irrelevant info to post in some threads...It's helpful, I swear!
THE DISCUSSION HERE IS COMPARING SIMILARLY EQUIPED 55K CARS.
All the highest powered cars on this board have nearly the same mods. In fact I have the exact same mods as the OP of this thread. His dyno is higher, but the power band and delivery is the same. If both of our cars were side by side, with all thigs being equal his "should" be faster. This is the point of this thread.
Go read the internets some more and find some other obivious and irrelevant info to post in some threads...It's helpful, I swear!
03-05-2011, 08:16 AM
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There are arguements for both. I disagree that dyno numbers don't mean anything. Frankly a dyno is the only scientific way to measure power output. Power output( specifically Torque) is the potential for work and acceleration. Ultimately all things being equal, the higher powered car should be the fastest.
The other arguement is that if you can't turn power into performance, than it's useless, which I also agree with. The reality is that there are more variables affecting consistancy and performance at the track than at the dyno. I can stip my interior, drop my exhaust, run drag pack wheels with skinnies and have 3 ounces of fuel in the tank for a run and knock of 4 tenths, but is that any way to enjoy a Mercedes?
Would I want to pick up a hot date in my sexy CLS and say "here baby, sit on this milk crate...I like to go FAAAAAST"? No. I will never, ever run my car other than the way I drive it on the street with the exception of DR's at the track. Does that mean I am leaving a few tenths on the slip. Probably. Do I much prefer smoking 99.9% of cars in full luxury and listening to satellite radio? YES!
Anyhow to answer Brook's question I am running 530whp and 599 Torque on a heat soaked car on a mustang dyno. It'l be good to run at timmayfest against people from all over the country so we can get time and dynos from cars at the same time in the same conditions.
The other arguement is that if you can't turn power into performance, than it's useless, which I also agree with. The reality is that there are more variables affecting consistancy and performance at the track than at the dyno. I can stip my interior, drop my exhaust, run drag pack wheels with skinnies and have 3 ounces of fuel in the tank for a run and knock of 4 tenths, but is that any way to enjoy a Mercedes?
Would I want to pick up a hot date in my sexy CLS and say "here baby, sit on this milk crate...I like to go FAAAAAST"? No. I will never, ever run my car other than the way I drive it on the street with the exception of DR's at the track. Does that mean I am leaving a few tenths on the slip. Probably. Do I much prefer smoking 99.9% of cars in full luxury and listening to satellite radio? YES!
Anyhow to answer Brook's question I am running 530whp and 599 Torque on a heat soaked car on a mustang dyno. It'l be good to run at timmayfest against people from all over the country so we can get time and dynos from cars at the same time in the same conditions.
03-05-2011, 08:50 AM
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Dyno #s and Track
I like to see Dyno #'s they are important but like everyone says different on different dynos's and cars on any given day. I have not done it for my car yet after mods , been to track pre-modds. 1st time at track didn't do so well , back in the day I street raced Mustangs and we all know street racing is totally different . I will get the car dyno just for my knowledge . But when it comes to speed and performance the track is the only place to get correct measure . We all know the track is about practise , prep and Drag radials or the right tire set-up. I agree with KLR-CLS our cars should be tested and race as they are driven on the street . no bodies riding their family & girl friends on skinnies and race seats on the street .. A Full race prep car is what it is a race car its for lowest et and highest trap speed. Apples & Oranges , Oh I do like to see our Car's with Big Dyno's #'s and its funny how some car's are running low 11's and 10's without big dyno #'s and 5 billion dollars worth of every mod in the book. Some mods are a waste of money .. Just look at the CTS-V forums and see the mods list and what their cars are Running in ET's.. Badm
I like to see Dyno #'s they are important but like everyone says different on different dynos's and cars on any given day. I have not done it for my car yet after mods , been to track pre-modds. 1st time at track didn't do so well , back in the day I street raced Mustangs and we all know street racing is totally different . I will get the car dyno just for my knowledge . But when it comes to speed and performance the track is the only place to get correct measure . We all know the track is about practise , prep and Drag radials or the right tire set-up. I agree with KLR-CLS our cars should be tested and race as they are driven on the street . no bodies riding their family & girl friends on skinnies and race seats on the street .. A Full race prep car is what it is a race car its for lowest et and highest trap speed. Apples & Oranges , Oh I do like to see our Car's with Big Dyno's #'s and its funny how some car's are running low 11's and 10's without big dyno #'s and 5 billion dollars worth of every mod in the book. Some mods are a waste of money .. Just look at the CTS-V forums and see the mods list and what their cars are Running in ET's.. Badm
03-05-2011, 09:09 AM
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I'm shooting for 480whp on my next dyno and 11.00 at the track.
New England dragway just spent 6 million redoing the whole place so you won't see me complaining about 1.7-1.8 60 fts anymore
And I take my car to the track the way I drive it to work(yes I drive around on drag radials)
New England dragway just spent 6 million redoing the whole place so you won't see me complaining about 1.7-1.8 60 fts anymore
And I take my car to the track the way I drive it to work(yes I drive around on drag radials)
05-06-2011, 03:08 PM
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05-06-2011, 04:11 PM
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No I used that on another car. Lol
The setup I have is kleemann cams , 80mm tb , kleemann headers, 180 mm pulley , EC he, and a UK map.
Not happy with the figures expected more but eh I may need to try another map. Lol.
I expected at least 650 bhp to the crank but I got 592bhp to the crank.
Target is to get around 570rwhp.
Got to do a LT headers and a custom 3" system.
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No I used that on another car. Lol
The setup I have is kleemann cams , 80mm tb , kleemann headers, 180 mm pulley , EC he, and a UK map.
Not happy with the figures expected more but eh I may need to try another map. Lol.
I expected at least 650 bhp to the crank but I got 592bhp to the crank.
Target is to get around 570rwhp.
Got to do a LT headers and a custom 3" system.
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05-06-2011, 07:59 PM
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Those numbers are about right for the mods. 540whp is nothing too sneeze at! Might be alittle more in her with the right tuner. Good luck chasing the 570whp. That is about the upper limit of what we have seen here and would put you in some rarrified air.
05-06-2011, 10:58 PM
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Yes there is a HUGE difference in Dynos! I have a 53HP difference between Eurocharged Dyno Dynamics and Slaters Dynojet....both dyno runs were within 24 hours of each other.
I ran a corrected 11.97et @116 on 265 BFG street tires before my Eurocharged H/E, pump and Eurocharged tune. It dynoed at 391hp and 510tq when I ran the 11.97et.
After the additional mods and Eurocharged tune it put down 430hp and 535tq on the Dyno Dynamics and 483hp and 543tq on the Dynojet. I havn't been back to the track since my 40hp gains...but considering it ran an 11.97 prior, I would hope to put down a 11.70 something in street trim now.
I ran a corrected 11.97et @116 on 265 BFG street tires before my Eurocharged H/E, pump and Eurocharged tune. It dynoed at 391hp and 510tq when I ran the 11.97et.
After the additional mods and Eurocharged tune it put down 430hp and 535tq on the Dyno Dynamics and 483hp and 543tq on the Dynojet. I havn't been back to the track since my 40hp gains...but considering it ran an 11.97 prior, I would hope to put down a 11.70 something in street trim now.
05-06-2011, 11:51 PM
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05-06-2011, 11:56 PM
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Yeah my dyno is low reading and this thread is worthless.I can go to a dynojet and have them mess with the correction factor and post a glory dyno run for you guys.
I find it hard to believe that some cars are putting close to 600whp on a dyno dynamics dyno,call the shop and ask them for the SHOOT OUT NUMBERS and not a number that used a correction factor that inflates the numbers to read like a dynojet.
05-07-2011, 12:39 AM
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What do you mean corrected? like for DA on drag times?I ran those traps with no correction but the DA was low that day.
Yeah my dyno is low reading and this thread is worthless.I can go to a dynojet and have them mess with the correction factor and post a glory dyno run for you guys.
I find it hard to believe that some cars are putting close to 600whp on a dyno dynamics dyno,call the shop and ask them for the SHOOT OUT NUMBERS and not a number that used a correction factor that inflates the numbers to read like a dynojet.
Yeah my dyno is low reading and this thread is worthless.I can go to a dynojet and have them mess with the correction factor and post a glory dyno run for you guys.
I find it hard to believe that some cars are putting close to 600whp on a dyno dynamics dyno,call the shop and ask them for the SHOOT OUT NUMBERS and not a number that used a correction factor that inflates the numbers to read like a dynojet.
I agree dyno numbers don't mean much just as I had a 53hp difference between the dynamics and the jet. Use it for tuning only and let the track times speak for themselves.
Don't know if anyone gets "Hotrod" magazine, but the last issue they addressed this issue. They ran the same car on a number of different dynos....and it was like a 125+hp difference between dynos on a 650hp car...lol
05-07-2011, 02:03 AM
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I know this is a little off topic but I've ran my twin turbo mustang last year and ran 11.8 at 82 mph. I spun my tires very gear on drag radials the length of the track, this was a 1,3,5 gear run. Does this make any sense to anyone cause it sure is hell doesn't make any to me? and my e55 is currently in the mid 550 hp range but will re-tune for the new pulley next week.
05-07-2011, 09:45 AM
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From the other side of the forum to here i got a 63 for what its worth, my best dyno with my set up was 444RW SAE DynoJet 5th gear 1-1 and my car went 11.1 and 11.2's in (1000DA plus)up to 127MPH.
Oh yea at that time i only had Tune/Headers/LSD/Filter/DR's
Oh yea at that time i only had Tune/Headers/LSD/Filter/DR's
05-07-2011, 10:29 AM
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Did you ever get a chance to weigh your car?
