Butchered ECU, Motor Lost - Be Careful Out There (pics)
03-21-2011, 10:16 PM
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No, it's not. You can "read the file" without removing that chip. Just like, for example, you can move a file off of your hard drive with a USB stick - there's no need to physically go in and pull out the hard drive.
As stated before: we do this over the OBD. Guys like EC have tools that can do this with pin connectors (though you still have to open the ECU, it's not even 10% as invasive as this mess).
There is ZERO need to physically remove the chip in this day and age, and guys like Todd at Proto can do it without leaving much in the way of evidence. This is a hack job.
As stated before: we do this over the OBD. Guys like EC have tools that can do this with pin connectors (though you still have to open the ECU, it's not even 10% as invasive as this mess).
There is ZERO need to physically remove the chip in this day and age, and guys like Todd at Proto can do it without leaving much in the way of evidence. This is a hack job.
03-21-2011, 10:51 PM
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No, it's not. You can "read the file" without removing that chip. Just like, for example, you can move a file off of your hard drive with a USB stick - there's no need to physically go in and pull out the hard drive.
As stated before: we do this over the OBD. Guys like EC have tools that can do this with pin connectors (though you still have to open the ECU, it's not even 10% as invasive as this mess).
There is ZERO need to physically remove the chip in this day and age, and guys like Todd at Proto can do it without leaving much in the way of evidence. This is a hack job.
As stated before: we do this over the OBD. Guys like EC have tools that can do this with pin connectors (though you still have to open the ECU, it's not even 10% as invasive as this mess).
There is ZERO need to physically remove the chip in this day and age, and guys like Todd at Proto can do it without leaving much in the way of evidence. This is a hack job.
03-22-2011, 10:26 AM
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Oh, I agree 100% that this is a complete hack job. I don't think anyone in their right mind could argue that. My only question regarding reading the OEM file or whatever current file was on it. I didnt realize that it was possible to read/copy the ECU map/file from the OBD port. I thought it was "push" only, not pull, so to speak.
03-22-2011, 11:37 AM
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The Block Tuner doesn't tether the client to a PC and an internet connection when they want to swap files, the way your tool does. With a Block Tuner, a client can swap to a valet mode while he's dropping off his car at a garage, service bay, restaurant, etc. He can drive to the track, buy some race gas on a whim, and swap files. The Block Tuners have (on some models) data-logging capability. Etc., etc.
That's not a dig on Eurocharged's tool - after all, it's a cheaper tool (just $100). When you pay more for something (a Block Tuner is $495, $400 with a file) you expect more features, more benefits, and more convenience. The final difference is that it seems like your tool comes from overseas (I could be wrong - I said "it seems like ...") where our tool's final soldering and assembly is done in the USA. In Palatine, IL, actually. On Marcin's desk (below) about 2 feet from mine.
Jerry's a good tuner, Jake. Eurocharged has a good rep. and I've never seen fit to say anything negative about Eurocharged. Why you seem to be misleading people on this topic of OBD tools is beyond me - I hope this is a misunderstanding and you're just operating on bad intel.
03-22-2011, 11:45 AM
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Actually: no, you don't.
The Block Tuner doesn't tether the client to a PC and an internet connection when they want to swap files, the way your tool does. With a Block Tuner, a client can swap to a valet mode while he's dropping off his car at a garage, service bay, restaurant, etc. He can drive to the track, buy some race gas on a whim, and swap files. The Block Tuners have (on some models) data-logging capability. Etc., etc.
That's not a dig on Eurocharged's tool - after all, it's a cheaper tool (just $100). When you pay more for something (a Block Tuner is $495, $400 with a file) you expect more features, more benefits, and more convenience. The final difference is that it seems like your tool comes from overseas (I could be wrong - I said "it seems like ...") where our tool's final soldering and assembly is done in the USA. In Palatine, IL, actually. On Marcin's desk (below) about 2 feet from mine.
Jerry's a good tuner, Jake. Eurocharged has a good rep. and I've never seen fit to say anything negative about Eurocharged. Why you seem to be misleading people on this topic of OBD tools is beyond me - I hope this is a misunderstanding and you're just operating on bad intel.
The Block Tuner doesn't tether the client to a PC and an internet connection when they want to swap files, the way your tool does. With a Block Tuner, a client can swap to a valet mode while he's dropping off his car at a garage, service bay, restaurant, etc. He can drive to the track, buy some race gas on a whim, and swap files. The Block Tuners have (on some models) data-logging capability. Etc., etc.
That's not a dig on Eurocharged's tool - after all, it's a cheaper tool (just $100). When you pay more for something (a Block Tuner is $495, $400 with a file) you expect more features, more benefits, and more convenience. The final difference is that it seems like your tool comes from overseas (I could be wrong - I said "it seems like ...") where our tool's final soldering and assembly is done in the USA. In Palatine, IL, actually. On Marcin's desk (below) about 2 feet from mine.
Jerry's a good tuner, Jake. Eurocharged has a good rep. and I've never seen fit to say anything negative about Eurocharged. Why you seem to be misleading people on this topic of OBD tools is beyond me - I hope this is a misunderstanding and you're just operating on bad intel.
03-22-2011, 11:47 AM
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holy crap that ECU got butchered. I'm very hesitant to send out my ECU. I'm glad to have waited for OE to come to the area and plugged the laptop to my car.
03-22-2011, 11:49 AM
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Actually: no, you don't.
The Block Tuner doesn't tether the client to a PC and an internet connection when they want to swap files, the way your tool does. With a Block Tuner, a client can swap to a valet mode while he's dropping off his car at a garage, service bay, restaurant, etc. He can drive to the track, buy some race gas on a whim, and swap files. The Block Tuners have (on some models) data-logging capability. Etc., etc.
That's not a dig on Eurocharged's tool - after all, it's a cheaper tool (just $100). When you pay more for something (a Block Tuner is $495, $400 with a file) you expect more features, more benefits, and more convenience. The final difference is that it seems like your tool comes from overseas (I could be wrong - I said "it seems like ...") where our tool's final soldering and assembly is done in the USA. In Palatine, IL, actually. On Marcin's desk (below) about 2 feet from mine.
Jerry's a good tuner, Jake. Eurocharged has a good rep. and I've never seen fit to say anything negative about Eurocharged. Why you seem to be misleading people on this topic of OBD tools is beyond me - I hope this is a misunderstanding and you're just operating on bad intel.
The Block Tuner doesn't tether the client to a PC and an internet connection when they want to swap files, the way your tool does. With a Block Tuner, a client can swap to a valet mode while he's dropping off his car at a garage, service bay, restaurant, etc. He can drive to the track, buy some race gas on a whim, and swap files. The Block Tuners have (on some models) data-logging capability. Etc., etc.
That's not a dig on Eurocharged's tool - after all, it's a cheaper tool (just $100). When you pay more for something (a Block Tuner is $495, $400 with a file) you expect more features, more benefits, and more convenience. The final difference is that it seems like your tool comes from overseas (I could be wrong - I said "it seems like ...") where our tool's final soldering and assembly is done in the USA. In Palatine, IL, actually. On Marcin's desk (below) about 2 feet from mine.
Jerry's a good tuner, Jake. Eurocharged has a good rep. and I've never seen fit to say anything negative about Eurocharged. Why you seem to be misleading people on this topic of OBD tools is beyond me - I hope this is a misunderstanding and you're just operating on bad intel.
Actually I think we are on the same page....but yes yours is made here and ours is overseas...we also have the tuning cables as well that you were referencing that we sell more than anything. We just don't use/advertise the "obd flash booster" as mush as you and oe.
But I am however confused by your comment about misleading people? If you read my response again I said that I cannot speak for other tuners, but how we do things. Simple misunderstanding thats all.
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03-22-2011, 12:02 PM
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I just know that we're using different tools, so saying that it's the same tool was misleading ... maybe "confusing" is a less charged word. Also, that's not the tool you advertise (below) which is also confusing.
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03-22-2011, 02:07 PM
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Wow someone let that ecu out the door looking like that? I've seen flux left on chips/boards before, but this looks like someone left flux on the ecu then put a heat gun to it afterwards. I feel bad for the customer
03-22-2011, 02:53 PM
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To correct the misinformation that was posted previously. OE does in fact remove chips from boards, especially as pertains to the 55K series. I've seen it myself, along with dozens of others who have their tunes and will say the same.
Just because you two carry the OBD memory sticks doesn't mean they are used on all cars and again there are far too many MBW members alone that will attest to this.
Just because you two carry the OBD memory sticks doesn't mean they are used on all cars and again there are far too many MBW members alone that will attest to this.
03-22-2011, 03:15 PM
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To correct the misinformation that was posted previously. OE does in fact remove chips from boards, especially as pertains to the 55K series. I've seen it myself, along with dozens of others who have their tunes and will say the same.
Just because you two carry the OBD memory sticks doesn't mean they are used on all cars and again there are far too many MBW members alone that will attest to this.
Just because you two carry the OBD memory sticks doesn't mean they are used on all cars and again there are far too many MBW members alone that will attest to this.
03-22-2011, 03:34 PM
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Not true on mine and a half dozen others I know using OE. Jeremy sends the flashing unit, and emails the file. You load her on and flash away. Works great for me! **edit to say that I bet he pulls the chip if people want to keep their stock tune so they can switch back or something. I defer to Speedriven and the other tuners as so why he might be still pulling chips. They are the experts.
03-22-2011, 03:52 PM
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I think you guys are talking about different times.... I take it back in the old days (2002-2004), many companies used to flash the ECU by taking the chip off. This probably included Kleemann, RENNtech, Powerchip, etc.... and since OE Tuning was part of Powerchip back then, it is possible that they used to do it back then.
However, I do know that nowadays OE Tuning does indeed flash using OBDII port and I've seen Jeremy flash many 55k cars in front of my own eyes without hacking into the ECU.
However, I do know that nowadays OE Tuning does indeed flash using OBDII port and I've seen Jeremy flash many 55k cars in front of my own eyes without hacking into the ECU.
03-22-2011, 04:47 PM
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I don't know if this is the case with the 55 AMG engines. Can you tune the E55 through OBD port with out taking out the ECU?
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03-22-2011, 05:20 PM
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I agree, the practice is archaic. If you don't have the proper tools don't even bother trying to do the job.
03-22-2011, 05:35 PM
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"These cars" referred to 55 AMGs. Even with the 63s, however, there is no reason to pull the chip from the board to re-solder that I have seen.
03-22-2011, 05:37 PM
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No mistake. I know they have the ability to flash OBD however they also still pull chips. Some of the most popular members on this forum have had this done in front of their eyes by them.
I agree, the practice is archaic. If you don't have the proper tools don't even bother trying to do the job.
I agree, the practice is archaic. If you don't have the proper tools don't even bother trying to do the job.
03-22-2011, 05:38 PM
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I think you guys are talking about different times.... I take it back in the old days (2002-2004), many companies used to flash the ECU by taking the chip off. This probably included Kleemann, RENNtech, Powerchip, etc.... and since OE Tuning was part of Powerchip back then, it is possible that they used to do it back then.
However, I do know that nowadays OE Tuning does indeed flash using OBDII port and I've seen Jeremy flash many 55k cars in front of my own eyes without hacking into the ECU.
However, I do know that nowadays OE Tuning does indeed flash using OBDII port and I've seen Jeremy flash many 55k cars in front of my own eyes without hacking into the ECU.
03-22-2011, 06:20 PM
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Umm I think people are talking about different things. The ability to pull a stock file from the ECU, then change it with something like WINOLS or CMDFLASH etc is one thing. Having a tool for your customers to self flash is another. Starting from a virgin file is really only important when you are creating a tune for the first time or starting from somebody's elses work( ie verifying where you are starting from). Most tuners will simply look at your mods, then find an appropriately tuned file he already has for those mods and flash that as a starting point. From there you can dynotune and make modifications as required..
Having a tool to send it to your customers when you are not there with a Dimmsport unit is a different thing then having the ability to pull out of the ME2.8 a base file. I too was under the impression that the ME2.8 was flash only through the port...Might be tool dependant though.
Having a tool to send it to your customers when you are not there with a Dimmsport unit is a different thing then having the ability to pull out of the ME2.8 a base file. I too was under the impression that the ME2.8 was flash only through the port...Might be tool dependant though.
