911 P-Turbo Ruf 550 or Nissan GTR
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I definitely agree with that, there are a lot on Cali, and yeah the asian tuner market is huge out there, and there are also a lot in Dallas, but that might just be because I hang out with certain crowds where quite a few friends have them, so they have lost their rarity value to me.
Yeah the R33 / R34 bodystyle is awesome! I do love seeing them!
Yeah the R33 / R34 bodystyle is awesome! I do love seeing them!
In Florida I only see about one R35 on the street every 1-2 months or so. Of course if I went to car meets I'd probably see a lot more.
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Exactly! I still absolutely love driving it though, and that center screen is badass with all the stuff, but yeah it's an extremely forgiving car, you can do the stupidest things in it and it will save your *** every time haha
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'13 GT-R AMS Alpha 9+, CLA45, E55
On the sixth day he made the Switzer P800 kit... And on the seventh day he rested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm8alJ4bFM
I also think somewhere around the 3rd or 4th day he made crazy rich Russians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm8alJ4bFM
I also think somewhere around the 3rd or 4th day he made crazy rich Russians.
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I might be a little biased (or a lot biased) in favor of the GT-R given that I have one in my garage. The GT-R is a car with amazing performance capabilities. With just a mid-pipe, generic Cobb A/P tune and HKS drop-in filters, my car was able to post on my vbox: 0-60: 3.30s, 0-100: 7.11s and 1/4m: 11.30 @ 126.7mph (all done out on a private road...without using launch control or trying to brake torque the launch) and averaging the last 66' of the run so the trap would have been 127.7mph using the GPS trap speed as magazine's tests use.
In 2005, Road & Track tested a Ruf R Turbo (590hp). It ran the 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 126.5mph. I hate to use magazine times for comparison, but there is really no real world data out there for Ruf 550s. Be that as it may, that is very close to my GT-R's times, but that was a Ruf model with 40 additional hp over the Ruf 550. So if straight line speed is your main criteria, a lightly modified GT-R (like mine) should be a bit quicker than a Ruf 550...especially with GT-R's lightning quick gearbox.
Even in the handling department, a 997.2 Turbo S could not post a better time at VIR in C&D's Lightning Lap than a GT-R (had a 2 second advantage). I am not sure the Ruf 550's suspension mods are going to yield better performance than either a GT-R or a 997.2 Turbo S.
That would leave the intangibles. The Ruf 550 is a great looking car and Ruf does have a sparkling reputation for building incredibly detailed and engineered vehicles. It is definitely a very special car.
The GT-R is also a special car....and it does have many adoring fans. I was actually surprised by how much adulation/attention this car gets. I have even had a soccer mom whip out her cell phone to taking some pics/videos of the car on the highway (or maybe it was just me that she was filming...
). Anyway, I don't buy cars based on how other people react to it...I buy them based on how the car performs and how it satisfies my particular needs.
Tom
In 2005, Road & Track tested a Ruf R Turbo (590hp). It ran the 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 126.5mph. I hate to use magazine times for comparison, but there is really no real world data out there for Ruf 550s. Be that as it may, that is very close to my GT-R's times, but that was a Ruf model with 40 additional hp over the Ruf 550. So if straight line speed is your main criteria, a lightly modified GT-R (like mine) should be a bit quicker than a Ruf 550...especially with GT-R's lightning quick gearbox.
Even in the handling department, a 997.2 Turbo S could not post a better time at VIR in C&D's Lightning Lap than a GT-R (had a 2 second advantage). I am not sure the Ruf 550's suspension mods are going to yield better performance than either a GT-R or a 997.2 Turbo S.
That would leave the intangibles. The Ruf 550 is a great looking car and Ruf does have a sparkling reputation for building incredibly detailed and engineered vehicles. It is definitely a very special car.
The GT-R is also a special car....and it does have many adoring fans. I was actually surprised by how much adulation/attention this car gets. I have even had a soccer mom whip out her cell phone to taking some pics/videos of the car on the highway (or maybe it was just me that she was filming...
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But he's lucky.
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Did the GT-R tranny issues get fixed? Did they stop voiding your warranty for pushing the magic button?
A PCA instructor in my region has a black one and had to pay out of pocket for his transmission, and he never launched it. Just took the guardian angel system off on the track, obviously. He was pretty irate.
A PCA instructor in my region has a black one and had to pay out of pocket for his transmission, and he never launched it. Just took the guardian angel system off on the track, obviously. He was pretty irate.
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Did the GT-R tranny issues get fixed? Did they stop voiding your warranty for pushing the magic button?
A PCA instructor in my region has a black one and had to pay out of pocket for his transmission, and he never launched it. Just took the guardian angel system off on the track, obviously. He was pretty irate.
A PCA instructor in my region has a black one and had to pay out of pocket for his transmission, and he never launched it. Just took the guardian angel system off on the track, obviously. He was pretty irate.
Also, there have been some work arounds on fixing the transmission. It is usually a 1st gear issue when the transmission breaks. So they are able to replace first gear instead of the whole transmission. It is still expensive at around $5K...but the alternative is closer to $25K for a full replacement...
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Something like that.
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His isn't a Motorex car. His was one of XX legally imported. To get around emissions and glass [since they don't have the crash impact glass specs that we require in the states, at least the R33 didnt] he registered it in Mississippi for a year and then moved it to Texas. I'm sure there are far more eloquent ways to put it but I don't have the details. Car is absolutely sick though.
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On the sixth day he made the Switzer P800 kit... And on the seventh day he rested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm8alJ4bFM
I also think somewhere around the 3rd or 4th day he made crazy rich Russians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm8alJ4bFM
I also think somewhere around the 3rd or 4th day he made crazy rich Russians.
I don't doubt that car is quick and fast, but that's a really poorly ridden motorcycle.
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Thanks for all the feedback and replies...
Here is a link to the Ruf I'm trying to deal on at the moment.
http://boardwalkporsche.com/Dallas/F...r-Car/6179946/
If anyone trys any funny stuff, I know where to find you.![action](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/action1.gif)
As for GTR shopping, the warranty investigation seems like a sticky situation. I would need to investigate each private sellers warranty and I'm not sure how to do that?? Perhaps find a Nissan contact who will look up their VIN for me. There aren't many used GTR's on dealers lots hence my weariness of private sellers. I am a huge fan of warranties and I'd be gambling w/ this P-car. I'm going to try and fly out and drive it. Trying to handle my trade in as also an issue.
I may try and have the car sent to Ruf in Tx to fine tooth comb it!
Here is a link to the Ruf I'm trying to deal on at the moment.
http://boardwalkporsche.com/Dallas/F...r-Car/6179946/
If anyone trys any funny stuff, I know where to find you.
![action](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/action1.gif)
As for GTR shopping, the warranty investigation seems like a sticky situation. I would need to investigate each private sellers warranty and I'm not sure how to do that?? Perhaps find a Nissan contact who will look up their VIN for me. There aren't many used GTR's on dealers lots hence my weariness of private sellers. I am a huge fan of warranties and I'd be gambling w/ this P-car. I'm going to try and fly out and drive it. Trying to handle my trade in as also an issue.
I may try and have the car sent to Ruf in Tx to fine tooth comb it!
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Thanks for all the feedback and replies...
Here is a link to the Ruf I'm trying to deal on at the moment.
http://boardwalkporsche.com/Dallas/F...r-Car/6179946/
If anyone trys any funny stuff, I know where to find you.![action](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/action1.gif)
As for GTR shopping, the warranty investigation seems like a sticky situation. I would need to investigate each private sellers warranty and I'm not sure how to do that?? Perhaps find a Nissan contact who will look up their VIN for me. There aren't many used GTR's on dealers lots hence my weariness of private sellers. I am a huge fan of warranties and I'd be gambling w/ this P-car. I'm going to try and fly out and drive it. Trying to handle my trade in as also an issue.
I may try and have the car sent to Ruf in Tx to fine tooth comb it!
Here is a link to the Ruf I'm trying to deal on at the moment.
http://boardwalkporsche.com/Dallas/F...r-Car/6179946/
If anyone trys any funny stuff, I know where to find you.
![action](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/action1.gif)
As for GTR shopping, the warranty investigation seems like a sticky situation. I would need to investigate each private sellers warranty and I'm not sure how to do that?? Perhaps find a Nissan contact who will look up their VIN for me. There aren't many used GTR's on dealers lots hence my weariness of private sellers. I am a huge fan of warranties and I'd be gambling w/ this P-car. I'm going to try and fly out and drive it. Trying to handle my trade in as also an issue.
I may try and have the car sent to Ruf in Tx to fine tooth comb it!
Also, the Ruf doesn't appear to have a nav system... not necessarily a deal killer for most...but the nav system and bluetooth in a newer car like the GT-R is actually nice to have and use.
Tom
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The Ruf you are looking at has a Tiptronic transmission. Most Tiptronic 911 Turbos sell for much less than the 6 speed manuals....so what might seem like a bargain now...becomes a headache later when you are trying to sell the car. The tiptronic is a 5 speed automatic....a very quick automatic...but still a true automatic car. It is certainly not comparable performance-wise to the dual clutch transmission in the GT-R. I prefer the GT-R's paddle shifters behind the steering wheel to the Tiptronic's rocker switches on the steering wheel.
Also, the Ruf doesn't appear to have a nav system... not necessarily a deal killer for most...but the nav system and bluetooth in a newer car like the GT-R is actually nice to have and use.
Tom
Also, the Ruf doesn't appear to have a nav system... not necessarily a deal killer for most...but the nav system and bluetooth in a newer car like the GT-R is actually nice to have and use.
Tom
GTR is looking like the pure favorite although I'm still keeping the Ruf in the mix. The warranty will probably nudge towards the GTR as well.
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I would go GTR. Check out www.Amsperformance.com. Look at the Alpha cars they have. Nothing will be able to keep up with you.
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Ten year old technology versus absolute cutting edge technology....that choice would be a no brainer for me
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Did you know that Nissan has an upgrade program for all 2009-2011 cars...you can have the dealer bring the car up to 2012 specs: 0-60 in 2.85s and the 1/4 in 11.1, all with a warranty.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Did you know that Nissan has an upgrade program for all 2009-2011 cars...you can have the dealer bring the car up to 2012 specs: 0-60 in 2.85s and the 1/4 in 11.1, all with a warranty.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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I owned a 2002 ruf 550 for about a year. I miss it everyday. Such a fun great looking car. I prefer the looks of the Ruf over the GTR but I am sure the GTR would be a blast to drive. Good luck with your decision.
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The Ruf you are looking at has a Tiptronic transmission. Most Tiptronic 911 Turbos sell for much less than the 6 speed manuals....so what might seem like a bargain now...becomes a headache later when you are trying to sell the car. The tiptronic is a 5 speed automatic....a very quick automatic...but still a true automatic car. It is certainly not comparable performance-wise to the dual clutch transmission in the GT-R. I prefer the GT-R's paddle shifters behind the steering wheel to the Tiptronic's rocker switches on the steering wheel.
Also, the Ruf doesn't appear to have a nav system... not necessarily a deal killer for most...but the nav system and bluetooth in a newer car like the GT-R is actually nice to have and use.
Tom
Also, the Ruf doesn't appear to have a nav system... not necessarily a deal killer for most...but the nav system and bluetooth in a newer car like the GT-R is actually nice to have and use.
Tom
Ten year old technology versus absolute cutting edge technology....that choice would be a no brainer for me
.
Did you know that Nissan has an upgrade program for all 2009-2011 cars...you can have the dealer bring the car up to 2012 specs: 0-60 in 2.85s and the 1/4 in 11.1, all with a warranty.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Did you know that Nissan has an upgrade program for all 2009-2011 cars...you can have the dealer bring the car up to 2012 specs: 0-60 in 2.85s and the 1/4 in 11.1, all with a warranty.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Are you referring to just a re-flash and update of the ecu? That is interesting. Can anyone lead me to a respected GTR message board? TIA
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What are your thoughts on reliability? Any quirky malfunctions. Why did you unload your ruf?