Not bad eh, I cant speculate on anyone else, but I was running 91 octane! I think 94 could have resulted in better numbers.

Also forgot to mention ALL cars did a 3rd gear pull to 6000rpm.

 

 

Veryyyyyyyy happy! Others who did the EC tune were very happy, and even the ones who didnt do any tunes/other tunes were amazed! Its not even that I didn't even give OE a chance, as they were tuning another car their they said hey throw our tune in your car and see how it does... for ****s n giggles I said ok do it... and well heres a screen of those results

Pic 1 is the Eurocharged Tune

Pic 2 is the OE Tune (1hp gain but loss of 8 fttq)

 

Had a great time getting these things on the dyno...tonys and beasts car were monster!, and the sl55, wow!, beautiful car man. thanks for all for coming out!...oh the drama lol!

 

Just to clarify. This was a last minute tuning request from BC, OE Tuning dealers "The Speed Syndicate". OE Tuning has a dynoday coming in BC area. After some customers of EC did not have their baseline dynos run (tuned files were run first, opening the suggestion as to the validity of the "original" file written back), some question was reaised as to thier (EC's ) dyno methods. It is not a practice of OE tuning to manipulate ECU parameters without first running a baseline pull (without first touching ecu or OBD2 port). Custom tuning times were also cut short, as correct amount of time was not allocated to some. Interesting to see how EC does things.....
Regarding tuning: The dyno did NOT have a working wideband sensor, so it was decided not to proceed with equiptment that was not working. This can be/is dangerous and is not something I personally will risk. OE Tuning will not use a dyno that was not operating 100%. On the EC/OE compare: Downlow Tq and HP was greater everywhere (OE Tune) except for a 500rpm band where there was a 2-3hp&tq difference. Tuning was abandoned by both parties (OE and vehicle owner). Please fell free to participate in the up coming BC OE Tuning Dyno Day.

 

The dyno DID have a working wide-band (4 of them to be exact)...we do not use a tailpipe sniffer due to inaccuracies with exhaust leaks and condensation from the exhaust (destroying sensors), this was supposed to be a dyno day, not a tuning day, its usually the responsibility of the tuner to tell the customer to have a wide-band bung installed pre-cat prior to doing any sort tuning, or to bring one themselves. I am no Mercedes tuner, but I reckon there is a lot more to be had with proper afr measurement and fine tuning...the "tuner" (didnt even pull a plug to check timing or check for knock with a knock reader, or even datalog anything) just saying...

 

For Alvins e55, as I mentioned there was bit of misunderstanding, he did the tune, and after they did baseline, either way the car put down more power, and the owner agreed it felt alot more responsive on the street.

For my car we did the baseline FIRST as it should be.

As I mentioned earlier, this day was not a custom dyno tuning session, but just for EC flashes. OE tuning spent most of the days time trying to tune the S55/E55 which resulted in undesirable results. Nobody was doing "custom tuning"

Jawanda Motorsport's Dyno was operating perfectly, as mentioned before neither OE or EC brought a wideband. Although the S55 did have a wideband/data logger, but OE still could NOT put down any more numbers after numerious attempts. The shop uses wideband, but with bung would have been needed to be welded prior to the dyno. They dont use tail pipe sniffer or odb wideband.

All I am hearing is excuses...

 

My mistake. Information 3rd hand. I also have many wideband o2s that I use on my dyno. A tailpipe sniffer is one of those. I have travelled far and wide using dynos of all makes, and have never had an issue using a tailpipe sniffer at any of them. After the exhaust is up to temp, I usually put sniffer in place. Track prepped cars usually have O2 bungs, not too common on street cars. That is why the request. So, could I have recieved a graph with AFR logged? Not wanting to cause any missunderstanding. AFR is a big part of tuning (especially 55K) and making/comfirming safe and correct adjustments.
Datalogging is also something I support at OE Dyno days. In person I also check over the car (as anyone who has met me will attest to) before and inbetween runs. Impossible to do remotely.


I don't make excuses. Let the track, dyno and VBOX tell the truth.
I am finished commenting on this. Enjoy your cars guys. Congrats on a successful day!

 

All I'm saying is that S55 with OE tuning, custom top mounts, LTH, HE, 180pulley, had data logging/wide-band, they sent the info to you, tried few diff flashes to the car, and result wasn't any different...

I'm no pro like you guys but regardless of AFR's shouldn't the tune flashes net in decent gains no matter what... after all this time the 55k tune should be solid for a stock car. Niccos black e55 was running SO rich, even though he has cats/2nd cats, res, stock mufflers, the exhaust fumes smelled like of a catless car running super rich tune.

Jeremy don't get me wrong, I am not taking anyones side here, if Eurocharged tune didnt perform and OE's did, I would be saying the opposite... I gave OE a shot too and wasn't impressed. I know OE has done numerous cars and has satisfied customers as does Eurocharged.

 

how do you compensate for the afr with a cat's inline? i have personally seen afrs pre and post cat and seen them vary in difference of 1 full point, to me that is reason enough to not use the w-band after the cat (or tailpipe sniffer), especially when someones $30,000 motor is at stake, we use a pre-cat w-band on 900rwhp+ street/strip cars and 150rwhp street cars.

Im not trying to nor care to get into a pissing match with anyone here. just trying to clarify that its easy to pass the blame... to me, that's unprofessional.

 

if i had more time i think id build an e55...

 

Here are some video clips, Tony you can throw the links in the first post as well if you like.

Tbals run with EC tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKO5seoOAYM

my cars run (all stock)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0wz05YyRX4

iamgod's run, OE tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEbXqosrLYc

ShangoAshe's run OE tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G72cA5RYO4

Nicco's run (all stock no tune)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dLOajMBRc

his second run with OE tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ron5RXIDRWA

sunny_j's blutech E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZSGi_BJEgA

 

Just to clarify things around here I was the one who called speed syndicate down cause I wanted a OE tune. It was suppose to be a custom tune but not having wideband reader we went with just a flash. Thought we could dial the car in the following week. OE just didn't show up to the party. As for parm at JMS I found guy very very educated with respect to his knowledge about motors, dyno's, superchargers. I would definitely go back to his shop. Iam currently working things out with Curtis regarding the OE tune and hopefully next week we pull better numbers. Thank you parm @ JMS for having us guys over

 

sunny_j's blutech E320 Diesel with Kleeman KDBOX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZSGi_BJEgA

This bad boy made 330ftlb to the wheels! More than the e60 m5.

I didnt get all the videos as I was running around but... Here are a few more videos...

Julius Sl55 (iAmGod)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qUKx1PwdjA

Alvins e55 (kompressorfed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hz9fr0zxMk

Billys e60 m5 (vw_mkv)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XFF364x1ok

Tonys e55 (tbal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEFcGdprkuc

Kals e46 m3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjR2_uGeHao

 

On the contrary, I find it interesting to see how OE does things... We have been told by several of our customers that the OE representative contacted them directly, urging them not to get the Eurocharged tune because it was unsafe and would “blow their motors” and that they would offer the OE tune “for a few bucks” to help them out. I find this especially funny given OE’s reputation with BMW and the alleged motor failures all over the BMW community (I can post the links for reference, if necessary). These types of scare tactics are ridiculous and completely unprofessional. Spreading this type of misinformation will not be tolerated and if it continues we will pursue all available legal avenues to ensure that it does not happen again.

As far as this being “a last minute tuning request from BC, OE Tuning dealers "The Speed Syndicate"”, one of our customers informed us that your dealer contacted him early last week trying to persuade them to go with OE as they would be there on Saturday as well. Doesn’t seem like last minute to me….

With regard to the baseline runs, one (and only one) car was mistakenly flashed before the baseline run was completed. After the tuned dyno run, the car wash flashed back to stock for comparison. All others were baselined first before being tuned. As to whether we were “manipulating” the stock files, I think the satisfaction of all of our other customers can attest to our tuning results.

Regarding your “decision not to proceed” with the tunes without the proper equipment…this again appears to be inaccurate. If this was the case, why do we have multiple customers that were “persuaded” (all in good faith, I’m sure) to try the OE tune? In the end, all returned happily to the Eurocharged tunes. So, claiming that you did not proceed with tuning because of a lack of equipment seems like a poor excuse.

Finally, you also claim that custom tuning times were cut short, but none of our customers have issued these complaints….as Tbal mentioned, this was a dyno day with flashes. Please get your stories straight before laying such accusations against us.

To all the happy Eurocharged customers that came out to the event: Thank You, enjoy your newly awakened beast and please contact us if we can be of any further assistance!

 

Do it!!!!! After seeing your cars I can't imagine what you'd do with a 55k

 

Wow, almost a tuner showdown in Vancouver and we are just now hearing about it? Let `s have a real tuner showdown in Texas. Dyno, 1/4 mile and track day event. Just like the Supra Nationals.



I make 564 and 640TQ on EC tune Ok, who is next?

 

Knowing Parm, he would probably take that e55k and make 600hp out of it and than swap it out for a v12tt to make more power because he wouldnt be happy...lol

 

Accurate, and well said.

 

 

Tony,

I have to jump in on this specific post. First of all if you saw the actual pull you would know the dyno couldn't read my Torque numbers unless the OBD2 was plugged in. Second my dyno numbers have ZERO and again I say ZERO reflection on OE Tuning.

I have already previously mentioned while with the techs at Jawada Motorsport I wasn't expecting much because of Belt slip Issues and boost issues. Even he agreed by looking at the graph after my run and you could clearly see my boost level completely fluctuate after 3000rpm (I believe there is a boost leak issue somewhere or even a by-pass throttle body issue).

I only had ONE proper run if you could even call it that and yes.. ONE proper run.. the car kept kicking-down on the first attempt and without the OBD2 plugged for the dyno on the first run the mustang dyno couldn't record anything. Also because I had my Dashdaq to datalog my run that's why they couldn't use the OBD2. One more thing, this is the FIRST dyno and Ive been on a couple dynos, that did NOT have a sniffer AFR reader. It was required to have a bung preinstalled precat to read AFRs. I'm not sure how many members here actually bother installing a bung Pre-Cat for a dyno? haha but off topic... By the time my car was on the dyno at 5:11 (the shop closes at 5:00) i send some logs to Jeremy and told him my boost issue. Before anything could be sent back to tune my injectors I was requested to go ahead and do my last run.

Second run I agreed and said sure why not, we'll just run the car without my wideband plugged in and we can use OBD2 plug for the dyno and see what it can even pickup. The car had to run on 4th gear and KICK DOWN to 3rd. Never had to do that before and I'm sure anybody else on this board familiar with dyno runs will know this is a big NO NO. So the result of that run was what was recorded.

If they posted the graph with boost and not just numbers you could see the power curve was steep from 1500-3000 rpm and drops immediately. Boost initially was at (13.5 PSI and after 3000rpm dropped to 3psi all the way from 3000-6700). This was ALSO recorded through the dyno and my DashDaq.

So I do not agree with bashing OE Tuning by using my car. To be honest, I just read that post a couple minutes ago and lets just say I'm not very impressed by what was said. Either way I'm glad there were happy customers at the end of the day.

In the end I will support OE Tuning all the way because I believe in their product and of course Jeremy.

Not much more have to be said, but I just have to speak up when you use my car to bash OE Tuning.

Thanks

 

Jerry for the win! Easiest guy to deal with in the world and has a kick *** tune!


Now that sounds like a great time! I need about 3 hours notice before hand for the drive haha!

 

I will start by posting my dyno sheet. Yes, my car is lacking tq and I know that. I like to get some feedback as to why my tq line is like the roller coaster rides at six flag theme park? Is it because of a bad tune or is it because of the dyno not reading right? Its really too bad I left and can not make it back to give oetuning a try on my car...what a shame.

Thanks for any suggestions that can help.




great that it made more TQ than my car. you guys want to do a diesel vs. diesel run? I will double your HP and TQ with ease. LOL

 

It's not because of a bad tune. I can assure you of that.

It's either a bad tach signal from the dyno or it could be from the rollers.

If it were tune related, you would see it on the HP side too.

 

Why does the graph not show RPM?