Help, car bogs down after few runs. (new pump/he) air in system?
05-30-2011, 02:02 PM
#26
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Okay you think you have a bad pump but you have no idea what your intake temps are.IM going to be the first one to welcome you to the 180mm pulley and summer weather inferno you have blowing volcanic air into your engine.
If its 90 out and your running a 180 pulley your car is going to shut down after 6 wot runs.My car is at 105-110 right now off boost!I havnt even engaged the s/c yet.
If its 90 out and your running a 180 pulley your car is going to shut down after 6 wot runs.My car is at 105-110 right now off boost!I havnt even engaged the s/c yet.
05-30-2011, 02:03 PM
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Yes my pulley is 168...
Sneakyneon we share just about the same weather patterns... do you ever experiance this? But you guys are running 180+ pulleys which makes A TON more heat than my 168 should?
Sneakyneon we share just about the same weather patterns... do you ever experiance this? But you guys are running 180+ pulleys which makes A TON more heat than my 168 should?
05-30-2011, 02:16 PM
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your new cm30 might be weaksauce. 6 pulls, back to back to back to back to back to back is asking alot from an already inferior design.
Ive only experienced SC shutdown on the stock pump. I swapped it out with a cm30 and Ive never had an issue, but again, im not doing 6 pulls back to back, but Im also on stock pulley. Granted a 168 isnt much larger than stock, but more heat is more heat.
Try jacking the car up in the front, maybe a few air bubbles will work their way loose if you have any. I swapped mine out without any issue
Ive only experienced SC shutdown on the stock pump. I swapped it out with a cm30 and Ive never had an issue, but again, im not doing 6 pulls back to back, but Im also on stock pulley. Granted a 168 isnt much larger than stock, but more heat is more heat.
Try jacking the car up in the front, maybe a few air bubbles will work their way loose if you have any. I swapped mine out without any issue
05-30-2011, 02:19 PM
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Tbal do you guys have autozone up there? they have scan tools that you can use.Go there and look at the air temps and then buy the scan tool.You will need it in the long run.
I didnt know you were on a 168!!! I thought you went 180 haha
I didnt know you were on a 168!!! I thought you went 180 haha
05-30-2011, 02:20 PM
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your new cm30 might be weaksauce. 6 pulls, back to back to back to back to back to back is asking alot from an already inferior design.
Ive only experienced SC shutdown on the stock pump. I swapped it out with a cm30 and Ive never had an issue, but again, im not doing 6 pulls back to back, but Im also on stock pulley. Granted a 168 isnt much larger than stock, but more heat is more heat.
Try jacking the car up in the front, maybe a few air bubbles will work their way loose if you have any. I swapped mine out without any issue
Ive only experienced SC shutdown on the stock pump. I swapped it out with a cm30 and Ive never had an issue, but again, im not doing 6 pulls back to back, but Im also on stock pulley. Granted a 168 isnt much larger than stock, but more heat is more heat.
Try jacking the car up in the front, maybe a few air bubbles will work their way loose if you have any. I swapped mine out without any issue
05-30-2011, 02:21 PM
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No autozone, I might as well wait a few days now until I get my scan tool...
05-30-2011, 02:35 PM
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I don't get that kind of issue, but then again I would not dream of 6 back to back runs. To me that's just asking for problems. Is the bog right away or at the end of the pull? So everytime you want to duplicate the issue you have to run the car at least 6 full pulls?
05-30-2011, 02:40 PM
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Its intermittent. I mean I can sometimes do 4 pulls and its fine, sometimes 7 its fine... It bogs down right away, and then after just cruising for about 2-3mins the car is back for a few more pulls before bogging down again. BUT after the bog down does occur, I can turn the car off, than on, and shes ready to go! Confusing...
This has never happened before, seems like the problem came into play since the new HE and pump.
This has never happened before, seems like the problem came into play since the new HE and pump.
05-30-2011, 02:43 PM
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Its intermittent. I mean I can sometimes do 4 pulls and its fine, sometimes 7 its fine... It bogs down right away, and then after just cruising for about 2-3mins the car is back for a few more pulls before bogging down again. BUT after the bog down does occur, I can turn the car off, than on, and shes ready to go! Confusing...
This has never happened before, seems like the problem came into play since the new HE and pump.
This has never happened before, seems like the problem came into play since the new HE and pump.
Your welcome to use my data logger if you want to drive down to Tacoma.
05-30-2011, 02:47 PM
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DAMN 
Maybe I should throw the stock HE back in too... Well I will wait and see what my IAT's are in a few days. Im considering rigging the ic pump to run continuously and see if that helps... What you think?
Funny thing is the stock pump and he never gave me this problem! llol did I downgrade or something?
Maybe I should throw the stock HE back in too... Well I will wait and see what my IAT's are in a few days. Im considering rigging the ic pump to run continuously and see if that helps... What you think?
Funny thing is the stock pump and he never gave me this problem! llol did I downgrade or something?
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05-30-2011, 09:02 PM
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Problem solved!!!!!!!!! Rigged the pump to run when car is turned on, and bam the beast runs stronger than ever! Did MANY back to back pulls and car felt the same as the first run
Is it bad for the pump to run all the time? Going to install a switch to manally run the pump, run the pump all the time, or ecu controlled.
Meanwhile thanks to everyone with any input. Scratch, Sneakyneon I ordered that scan tool anyway, probably will need it in the future lol
Is it bad for the pump to run all the time? Going to install a switch to manally run the pump, run the pump all the time, or ecu controlled.
Meanwhile thanks to everyone with any input. Scratch, Sneakyneon I ordered that scan tool anyway, probably will need it in the future lol
winter time I'll flick the switch back to ecu controlled.
05-31-2011, 12:29 PM
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Can you explain to me what wires you tapped ect... I am having no luck and its pissing me off, yesterday it was 92* and my engine was at about 105C* without the SC engaged and what do you know. a Dodge viper rolled past me and kept teasing. I knew the SC wouldnt turn on so i just played the 'Im on E' game with him.. he even offered to buy me a gallon!!
05-31-2011, 01:40 PM
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Can you explain to me what wires you tapped ect... I am having no luck and its pissing me off, yesterday it was 92* and my engine was at about 105C* without the SC engaged and what do you know. a Dodge viper rolled past me and kept teasing. I knew the SC wouldnt turn on so i just played the 'Im on E' game with him.. he even offered to buy me a gallon!!
It was 92F out and your intake temps were 105C or your engine water was at 105C?
The water is supposed to be at 200F with a 190d thermostat.
There is no way your intake temps were 221F with the S/C not engaged.
Engine temp has nothing to do with intake air temps
05-31-2011, 03:05 PM
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Can you explain to me what wires you tapped ect... I am having no luck and its pissing me off, yesterday it was 92* and my engine was at about 105C* without the SC engaged and what do you know. a Dodge viper rolled past me and kept teasing. I knew the SC wouldnt turn on so i just played the 'Im on E' game with him.. he even offered to buy me a gallon!!
06-01-2011, 12:52 AM
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Im not following this?
It was 92F out and your intake temps were 105C or your engine water was at 105C?
The water is supposed to be at 200F with a 190d thermostat.
There is no way your intake temps were 221F with the S/C not engaged.
Engine temp has nothing to do with intake air temps
It was 92F out and your intake temps were 105C or your engine water was at 105C?
The water is supposed to be at 200F with a 190d thermostat.
There is no way your intake temps were 221F with the S/C not engaged.
Engine temp has nothing to do with intake air temps
06-01-2011, 04:30 AM
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Were you using stock pump power supply or a relay setup? I expect a relay would have been better as the CM30 (and definately anything more powerfull) would pop the pump power supply fuse....
