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Hi, all -
we've been getting a number of inquiries about a M113 twin-turbo conversion kit. We'd love to be on board, but we're focused on developing the V12 software now ... which brings me to the following question that I'd like to put to you guys:
Speedriven is more than capable of designing and developing a high-quality hardware package for the M113 cars, with the same type of high-efficiency intercoolers, heat exchangers, and turbos we're using on the V12 cars ... if the hardware was available and high quality, competetively priced (not bargain basement eBay stuff, but QUALITY, bulletproof components that WORK) and you could then get your ECU custom/dyno tuned by someone like OE (for one example) or Evotech (for another) would that be something you think the community would go for?
Comments welcome, guys.
we've been getting a number of inquiries about a M113 twin-turbo conversion kit. We'd love to be on board, but we're focused on developing the V12 software now ... which brings me to the following question that I'd like to put to you guys:
Speedriven is more than capable of designing and developing a high-quality hardware package for the M113 cars, with the same type of high-efficiency intercoolers, heat exchangers, and turbos we're using on the V12 cars ... if the hardware was available and high quality, competetively priced (not bargain basement eBay stuff, but QUALITY, bulletproof components that WORK) and you could then get your ECU custom/dyno tuned by someone like OE (for one example) or Evotech (for another) would that be something you think the community would go for?
Comments welcome, guys.
i would be all over this... hell i paid right around 8K for my tial 605 kit with intercoolers and injectors + other misc hardware for the kit on my s4, so 8k -10K range for a twin turbo kit on my e55 is a no brainer plus i could recoupe some $$ by selling the s/c on ebay
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I think its an interesting mod but honestly by removing the s/c all together I think the car / motor loses some of its character...
The best setup for me would be some turbos that get rid of the s/c parasitic losses and thats around 80hp.... more than enough ... I think thats what I said when I bot the car...
OK so the plumbing would be a head scratch as will the ecu software but I think by keeping the ecu in place the turbos will be easier to implement. The main issue will be keeping heat down and we would need custom top mount intercoolers... and these could also be sold seperately for those who did not want to go the whole turbo route...
So
Stage I Top mount coolers
Stage II Fuel Kit
Stage III Turbo's
Stage IV FMIC's for the turbos only?
Stage IV god knows!
Stage I & II could be used by anyone who wants turbos or not.
Good luck, but I wont be going down a route where the blower is tossed.
The best setup for me would be some turbos that get rid of the s/c parasitic losses and thats around 80hp.... more than enough ... I think thats what I said when I bot the car...
OK so the plumbing would be a head scratch as will the ecu software but I think by keeping the ecu in place the turbos will be easier to implement. The main issue will be keeping heat down and we would need custom top mount intercoolers... and these could also be sold seperately for those who did not want to go the whole turbo route...
So
Stage I Top mount coolers
Stage II Fuel Kit
Stage III Turbo's
Stage IV FMIC's for the turbos only?
Stage IV god knows!
Stage I & II could be used by anyone who wants turbos or not.
Good luck, but I wont be going down a route where the blower is tossed.
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This would be very interesting in a compound boost setup. Twin Turbos feeding the Roots blower. Hellion power systems currently produces these kits for the TERMI Mustangs and they are just amazing. They place the turbos in the corners of the front bumper.
I think this on a E55 would ensure no sedan would ever come close except for the 65 series cars. When the roots blowers become a little more affordable for the 63 series which it will thanks to the C63 owners the E55 wont be as strong as it is now.
http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...boost-resource
I think this on a E55 would ensure no sedan would ever come close except for the 65 series cars. When the roots blowers become a little more affordable for the 63 series which it will thanks to the C63 owners the E55 wont be as strong as it is now.
http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...boost-resource
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Wow...it's cool that someone is interested in developing this. I opened a thread about this very same thing not long ago. The biggest issue is obviously going to be the few people who actually think that 500-550whp ISN'T enough. For those people, a twin turbo setup would definitely be the way to go ( assuming NOS wasn't an option for them ).
I would love to turbo my E55 sooooooo badly, unfortunately right now I'm pretty broke.
The best turbo I can think of for a good 700+whp and still be on the "cheap" side is a T3/T4 Stage-3 50trim setup with .63 a/r turbine housings. Full boost should be at around 3500rpm and at 17-18psi a good 700+whp should pull the beast pretty darn hard. The turbos are also pretty cheap at around $650-$700 each for a brand new Garrett unit.
For those who insist that a ball bearing unit is a must, then the GT3071R also with a .63 T3 housing housing would be the turbo of choice for quick spool an 700+whp power. The difference being that such a turbo will set you back about $1,100 EACH.
As for compound systems, it's all of the complications with non of the benefits. You'd be crazy to do such a thing on a car with a 5.4L V8 with tons of low end torque ( even without the S/C, the M113 is a very strong engine ). With a compound setup, the E55 would just be good at melting tires.
I would love to turbo my E55 sooooooo badly, unfortunately right now I'm pretty broke.
The best turbo I can think of for a good 700+whp and still be on the "cheap" side is a T3/T4 Stage-3 50trim setup with .63 a/r turbine housings. Full boost should be at around 3500rpm and at 17-18psi a good 700+whp should pull the beast pretty darn hard. The turbos are also pretty cheap at around $650-$700 each for a brand new Garrett unit.
For those who insist that a ball bearing unit is a must, then the GT3071R also with a .63 T3 housing housing would be the turbo of choice for quick spool an 700+whp power. The difference being that such a turbo will set you back about $1,100 EACH.
As for compound systems, it's all of the complications with non of the benefits. You'd be crazy to do such a thing on a car with a 5.4L V8 with tons of low end torque ( even without the S/C, the M113 is a very strong engine ). With a compound setup, the E55 would just be good at melting tires.
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awesome Jo! Can't wait to see what you guys come up with! I might have to stop by to see it, as I have a pulley customer coming over to ya for an install!
For the guys that said twins and the sc, remember that it was already done on the 32 platform. And fwiw, I was making more power then him without the turbos on my 32 when I had her...
This will be great! I still love the turbo srt6 we did (c32 engine), and damn that thing hauls!
oh, and get it done for the mile lol. First rounds on me...
For the guys that said twins and the sc, remember that it was already done on the 32 platform. And fwiw, I was making more power then him without the turbos on my 32 when I had her...
This will be great! I still love the turbo srt6 we did (c32 engine), and damn that thing hauls!
oh, and get it done for the mile lol. First rounds on me...
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awesome Jo! Can't wait to see what you guys come up with! I might have to stop by to see it, as I have a pulley customer coming over to ya for an install!
For the guys that said twins and the sc, remember that it was already done on the 32 platform. And fwiw, I was making more power then him without the turbos on my 32 when I had her...
This will be great! I still love the turbo srt6 we did (c32 engine), and damn that thing hauls!
oh, and get it done for the mile lol. First rounds on me...
For the guys that said twins and the sc, remember that it was already done on the 32 platform. And fwiw, I was making more power then him without the turbos on my 32 when I had her...
This will be great! I still love the turbo srt6 we did (c32 engine), and damn that thing hauls!
oh, and get it done for the mile lol. First rounds on me...
Isn't there a certain SL55K that's getting twin GT35's? You guys are tuning it, right? Or is J.L. going Motec?
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Depends. The oem injectors will allow for more power due to the fact that the s/c's parasitic loss will be eliminated. I think 600whp are definitely possible on the stock fueling system. The only problem is, after spending all that money, do you really want to skimp on some injectors?
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i believe they said they might be including the appropriate injectors with the kit...
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.... We're not looking to develop software, but many of the capable tuners in the community aren't in a position to develop the hardware - ECU tuning, be that OEM or standalone, wouldn't be part of our equation. Injector probably would be.
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.... We're not looking to develop software, but many of the capable tuners in the community aren't in a position to develop the hardware - ECU tuning, be that OEM or standalone, wouldn't be part of our equation. Injector probably would be.
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Definitely interesting and if it is a proven product, i think allot of the die hard performance addicts will be all over it... and there is allot of us in the 55k world....way more then the 65
But no offence, your projects do take their time to get done, so for the 6-8 weeks time frame.... ill believe it when i see it
But no offence, your projects do take their time to get done, so for the 6-8 weeks time frame.... ill believe it when i see it
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Sorry everyone for jumping on this post. To the OP, I am doing a motor swap on my w208 clk and the new motor is the M113 NA 55 AMG motor, I would be very intrested if you can provide oe tune to keep the car reliable for daily and long distance driving. I did a single mid section turbo about 6 years ago and the results were not good. tone of power but the tune was very off. so if you can provide oe tune and gurantee reliability i'm all in.
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awesome Jo! Can't wait to see what you guys come up with! I might have to stop by to see it, as I have a pulley customer coming over to ya for an install!
For the guys that said twins and the sc, remember that it was already done on the 32 platform. And fwiw, I was making more power then him without the turbos on my 32 when I had her...
This will be great! I still love the turbo srt6 we did (c32 engine), and damn that thing hauls!
oh, and get it done for the mile lol. First rounds on me...
For the guys that said twins and the sc, remember that it was already done on the 32 platform. And fwiw, I was making more power then him without the turbos on my 32 when I had her...
This will be great! I still love the turbo srt6 we did (c32 engine), and damn that thing hauls!
oh, and get it done for the mile lol. First rounds on me...
Although financially I won't be able to jump on this, I would be all for tt's with supercharger combo...BUT since I can't be a paying customer right now, I defer to the actual ballers buying this.
Can't wait to see my long time dream come true!
One of those crazy middle east guys had a TT and Supercharged AMG years ago. Supposedly had the blower shutting off as the turbs got spooling but the supercharger got you flying off the line.
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I know the Hellion twin turbo kit for the 03-04 mustangs has made 1200hp on a stock motor and with the turbos blowing into the stock eaton supercharger so i think 700hp should be pretty easy as long as the motor can handle it with the crappy pistons we have.At just 4 lbs of boost from the turbos it made around 630hp and thats with a 4.6l.
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Wait so this applies to the M113.
Is that the 500(302hp)version or the 55 version(357hp)
So the E55 in base form without the Supercharger is the 5.5 357 hp version?
So then it would be putting TT on top of the 357 hp version?
What would be the Crank HP of this setup?
Is there an advantage to people with fully modded E55's on SC to remove all that and start a new setup?
Will this fit on 500' M113 cars?
Is that the 500(302hp)version or the 55 version(357hp)
So the E55 in base form without the Supercharger is the 5.5 357 hp version?
So then it would be putting TT on top of the 357 hp version?
What would be the Crank HP of this setup?
Is there an advantage to people with fully modded E55's on SC to remove all that and start a new setup?
Will this fit on 500' M113 cars?
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This is interesting... Are you going to build a front or rear mount system?
I am in the process of building a single rear mount turbo system for my W202 C55. I want to see what sort of power gains can be had!
I am in the process of building a single rear mount turbo system for my W202 C55. I want to see what sort of power gains can be had!
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