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Old 04-14-2012, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Havoc
When I said both Evosport and Weistec will be close $ vs HP, I'm talking about a ratio. For example.. Evosport's TMC produces 50HP for $6K and Weistec's S/C produces 100HP for $12K, therefore both packages have a $120/per 1 HP ratio.
Seems the OP has exited stage left for more lucrative pastures.
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That's true but look how small these are, they look like half of the SLRs ones. I mean even for the W211 look how much more room there is above the EvoSport ones. Do you think they're worth it? I don't mean for the price by the way I mean are they worth it period as in are they just for show or will these actually be functional and make some substantial difference in cooling.
Yeah, I agree. I believe the SLR's TMC are better than the Evosport's because of the entrance angle of the intake air, which distributes the intake air more evenly across the cores and the size of the cores are larger, but at double the price and known fabrication to make them fit, the Evosport's are a better deal. In addition, they're cheaper than Renntech's and Kleemann's, which look fugly in my opinion, and currently no one no else is offering them so we don't have anything else to compare them too.

Now, are the Evosport's TMC worth it you ask? YES! They are far better than our stock coolers. Just look at how small the surface area of the stock core is. Yes, they do go deeper, but that just creates more of a drag/air restriction and not efficient at cooling the heated charged air.



Now compare that to the TMC. (These are my older coolers for reference, but Evosport's and the SLR's are made the same.) Look at how larger the surface area of the core is. The heated charged intake air has a lot more surface area to make contact with and therefore makes for a more efficient cooler. Actually, each intake head port/cylinder has a portion of the core in front of it, which goes to show how more efficient these are compared to our stock units. Also, the TMC cores are a lot less thicker which reduces the drag/air restriction and increases airflow.

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Judging by the pics alone, the core area looks to be at least 4 times the size of the oem intercooler...sounds great to me.
+1 They're a huge improvement!

Originally Posted by splinter
Seems the OP has exited stage left for more lucrative pastures.
Yep, seems as though..
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Post Look's like Brad/Evosport's lower than Jangy, if that's even possible..

Originally Posted by splinter
Seems the OP has exited stage left for more lucrative pastures.
Originally Posted by Havoc
Yep, seems as though..
Sorry bro but someone needs to say this, please tell us Evosport has given you a REFUND??

Brad's NOT too busy to search the forums, he was here 10 min ago according to his Profile..

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Worst part of this, I can't find other post by Havoc where he stated these upgraded IC's have been installed on someone elses E55 & been running around So Cal for weeks, & as if that wasn't bad enough, Havoc PAID for them in FULL when this project began.. Here's that post below w/few more showing how poorly/inexcusably a Premier Sponsor on this site is/has treated Havoc..

Originally Posted by Havoc
I paid Evosport in full over a year ago for my build so this is not costing me another dime and won't need to put anymore money into it.
Originally Posted by Havoc
Evosport has had it for a year now and has done nothing. Well, they actually just started to work on it and order parts. Vadim had it for 2 years and did nothing. Well, he made a few parts. I basically gave it to both companies just as they started a slump. Bad timing I guess.. Hey my car still looks and smells new!
Edit: Actually from this picture found on Evosports site shows IC's installed but NOT on Havoc's SL55. I'm not E55k owner but I know SL55/65/600 R230 platform & engine bay, can any of you E55 owners confirm this is an E55 w211 engine BAY?


Originally Posted by Simon @ evosport
I wanted to let everyone know that this project has in no way been forgot about or abandoned. Quite the opposite actually. We have achieved some very favorable results. We will post an update with dyno results in a couple days.

Thank you for your patience.
Evosport posted this nearly 4 months ago on 1-10-12

Originally Posted by Havoc
I'm still interested!
I saw them in person on the test car and they look awesome.
TEST car isn't Havoc's SL55. & Even if they finally release these IC's Havoc's PAID IN FULL & been waiting over a year, that's just plain wrong..

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Sorry bro but someone needs to say this, please tell us Evosport has given you a REFUND??

TEST car isn't Havoc's SL55. & Even if they finally release these IC's Havoc's PAID IN FULL & been waiting over a year, that's just plain wrong..
No they haven’t, only because I haven’t asked for a refund since I still plan on going with these coolers. Honestly bro, these coolers are the least of my worries. Evosport has yet to build me my motor, which I also paid in full well over a year now, and is the reason I’m not the TEST car for the coolers. I mean, how can I be when I don't even have a motor??

I agree and I'll tell you what's plain wrong, Brad/Evosport did take advantage of me and the fact that I paid them $32.5K and received nothing but lies of parts being on order and Brad's promises of it being completed within 3 months 3 times over a year when in fact nothing was being done is bad business and just unacceptable! I believe that I should receive some sort of compensation or discount for that, though I highly doubt I ever will..

Regardless, if it wasn’t for Simon, I would have moved on with another tuner. Unlike Brad, Simon told me straight up what he can and can't deliver on and the different direction we should take with my engine build. We came up with a new game plan, which is a new chapter in a very thick book...
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Originally Posted by Havoc
No they haven’t, only because I haven’t asked for a refund since I still plan on going with these coolers. Honestly bro, these coolers are the least of my worries. Evosport has yet to build me my motor, which I also paid in full well over a year now, and is the reason I’m not the TEST car for the coolers. I mean, how can I be when I don't even have a motor??

I agree and I'll tell you what's plain wrong, Brad/Evosport did take advantage of me and the fact that I paid them $32.5K and received nothing but lies of parts being on order and Brad's promises of it being completed within 3 months 3 times over a year when in fact nothing was being done is bad business and just unacceptable! I believe that I should receive some sort of compensation or discount for that, though I highly doubt I ever will..

Regardless, if it wasn’t for Simon, I would have moved on with another tuner. Unlike Brad, Simon told me straight up what he can and can't deliver on and the different direction we should take with my engine build. We came up with a new game plan, which is a new chapter in a very thick book...
Holy ****.... 32.5K... Find a GOOD lawyer and get ALL of your money back.
Thats rediculous.
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Holy ****.... 32.5K... Find a GOOD lawyer and get ALL of your money back.
Thats rediculous.
Nah, though it is ridiculous. Regardless, I still like Evosport's products and I trust and have faith in Simon to produce a professional product. I'll soon if he can deliver because my SLK55 build is almost completed.
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Originally Posted by Havoc
Nah, though it is ridiculous. Regardless, I still like Evosport's products and I trust and have faith in Simon to produce a professional product. I'll soon if he can deliver because my SLK55 build is almost completed.
You Sir, have the patience of Joab

Good luck with your toy
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You Sir, have the patience of Joab

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Nah, though it is ridiculous. Regardless, I still like Evosport's products and I trust and have faith in Simon to produce a professional product. I'll soon if he can deliver because my SLK55 build is almost completed.
Wow...I'm impressed with your attitude but you really shouldn't be in this situation. It's wrong and they are playing with your money.

I gave up on this long ago, and even if they do release it, I will never do business with Evosport.
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Nah, though it is ridiculous. Regardless, I still like Evosport's products and I trust and have faith in Simon to produce a professional product. I'll soon if he can deliver because my SLK55 build is almost completed.
Cant wait to see the SLK build. They are so light and should do wonders in the 1/4 mile and mile, if set up right!!
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I gave up on this long ago, and even if they do release it, I will never do business with Evosport.

My sentiments exactly. As an example, I very much want lightweight rotors....but I will never consider buying it from Evosport.
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Originally Posted by Havoc
No they haven’t, only because I haven’t asked for a refund since I still plan on going with these coolers. Honestly bro, these coolers are the least of my worries. Evosport has yet to build me my motor, which I also paid in full well over a year now, and is the reason I’m not the TEST car for the coolers. I mean, how can I be when I don't even have a motor??

I agree and I'll tell you what's plain wrong, Brad/Evosport did take advantage of me and the fact that I paid them $32.5K and received nothing but lies of parts being on order and Brad's promises of it being completed within 3 months 3 times over a year when in fact nothing was being done is bad business and just unacceptable! I believe that I should receive some sort of compensation or discount for that, though I highly doubt I ever will..

Regardless, if it wasn’t for Simon, I would have moved on with another tuner. Unlike Brad, Simon told me straight up what he can and can't deliver on and the different direction we should take with my engine build. We came up with a new game plan, which is a new chapter in a very thick book...
Honestly you have no idea how much I respect your attitude because if I was in your shoes and after being ****** by VRP I would tear my money out of EvoSport but you're still patient and composed after being screwed multiple times

As for the building time EvoSport is a joke, I thought they were a big shop. I've seen a very good friend of mine who is a tuner build 1000+whp LSX motors in under 4 days, and I'm talking tuned and ready to go and that's not even the fastest an engine can be built because I'm seen shop build an engine in ONE day, sure they work round the clock but for the amount of money you've paid..... . Months is a joke, the dumbest shop with the most retarded workers will build an engine faster. What are they R&D'ing? An F1 car?

Now as for the coolers pretty much everybody have up on those ages ago and nobody bought any so it was just a matter of misleading information but hearing about them ripping you off like this is just sickening
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Originally Posted by Havoc
No they haven’t, only because I haven’t asked for a refund since I still plan on going with these coolers. Honestly bro, these coolers are the least of my worries. Evosport has yet to build me my motor, which I also paid in full well over a year now, and is the reason I’m not the TEST car for the coolers. I mean, how can I be when I don't even have a motor??

I agree and I'll tell you what's plain wrong, Brad/Evosport did take advantage of me and the fact that I paid them $32.5K and received nothing but lies of parts being on order and Brad's promises of it being completed within 3 months 3 times over a year when in fact nothing was being done is bad business and just unacceptable! I believe that I should receive some sort of compensation or discount for that, though I highly doubt I ever will..

Regardless, if it wasn’t for Simon, I would have moved on with another tuner. Unlike Brad, Simon told me straight up what he can and can't deliver on and the different direction we should take with my engine build. We came up with a new game plan, which is a new chapter in a very thick book...
Ohh man... 1st Vadim/VRP take you for $50k now EVOdump takes $32.5k Your attitude is admirable but to a fault. These CO's will continue to take advantage of your goodwill if you continue to pay them IN FULL, IN ADVANCE You should ONLY @ most give them a %10 Deposit/Dwn Paymnt for Parts, prepaying for FUTURE Labor that hasn't even started is flatout Robbery...

Sorry you have had such horrible luck on this build, I suggest you Lawyer-up 1 + yrs & NO parts or work done to the ENGINE forget the IC's as your Engine is priority #1

Time to cut your losses & move on.. Best of luck bud...

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Ohh man... 1st Vadim/VRP take you for $50k now EVOdump takes $32.5k Your attitude is admirable but to a fault. These CO's will continue to take advantage of your goodwill if you continue to pay them IN FULL, IN ADVANCE You should ONLY @ most give them a %10 Deposit/Dwn Paymnt for Parts, prepaying for FUTURE Labor that hasn't even started is flatout Robery...

Sorry you have had such horrible luck on this build, I suggest you Lawyer-up 1 + yrs & NO parts or work done to the ENGINE forget the IC's as your Engine is priority #1

Time to cut your losses & move on.. Best of luck bud...
sorry Havoc but I have to reiterate what The ricker said , I have gone through a whole year with my Vadim FIASCO , and that was disgraceful ....mind you I wasnt out nearly close to you re in for .. but in my opinion people like that thrive on the trusty people who pay them in advance .. a whole year $32K and nothing ? I would have had so many law suits by now it wont be funny . Yes your trust and optimism and support is admirable , but forgive me youre unintentionally enabling this .
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Sorry to hear about that Havoc, if they could not finish these easy little IC, then why thier damn prices are so high !!!! Why no action has been taken yet from the management of this forum !!!!! Does the guy need to raise the issue to try to take an action?

With the money you paid them, you could rebuilt the motor with stroker kit and have turbos on it too in less than 2 months in total
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Sorry to hear about that Havoc, if they could not finish these easy little IC, then why thier damn prices are so high !!!! Why no action has been taken yet from the management of this forum !!!!! Does the guy need to raise the issue to try to take an action?

With the money you paid them, you could rebuilt the motor with stroker kit and have turbos on it too in less than 2 months in total
Guess who used to own this site and still has alot of influence?

Havoc, do you have a stock running motor? Send the car out east and we will get you up and running tens in no time. I will even put a ten second slip in the car when it gets shipped back lol. No need to get fancy with Stroker motors and titanium rods etc.
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The top mounted coolers do look like a nice product but that is a bit long, unless you had an open ended agreement with evosport and the needed time for the project. That said, if you have faith in them holding up to their word, I guess hang in their. Rumor has it though that they are in financial trouble so take that for what its worth.
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sorry Havoc but I have to reiterate what The ricker said , I have gone through a whole year with my Vadim FIASCO , and that was disgraceful ....mind you I wasnt out nearly close to you re in for .. but in my opinion people like that thrive on the trusty people who pay them in advance .. a whole year $32K and nothing ? I would have had so many law suits by now it wont be funny . Yes your trust and optimism and support is admirable , but forgive me youre unintentionally enabling this .
Did you get robbed by vadim as well? wow I didn't realize the extent of that whole fiasco. personally I would have found it very difficult not to break some bones if I didn't get my money back especially the amount Havoc has spent which he could have bought an SLR motor. Havoc, I think it's time to wreak havoc

Originally Posted by ahmad0658
Sorry to hear about that Havoc, if they could not finish these easy little IC, then why thier damn prices are so high !!!! Why no action has been taken yet from the management of this forum !!!!! Does the guy need to raise the issue to try to take an action?

With the money you paid them, you could rebuilt the motor with stroker kit and have turbos on it too in less than 2 months in total
No doubt, for the amount if time Havoc has waited he should be receiving F1 technology.

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