Short tassle, E55 vs. B5 S4 Stage 3
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Short tassle, E55 vs. B5 S4 Stage 3
On my way into work earlier this week, hell of a trip too, as I was down in Mexico, when low and behold I see a Nogaro Blue B5 S4 as I am merging into the freeway.
After playing a little catchup, I get along side him and open my dumps followed with a little blip of the throttle. I got his attention and he gave me the thumbs up, asking what exhaust I had. We chatted for a few seconds and I immediatly asked what stage he was. After the reply of stage 3, I looked ahead and we had a nice stretch that we could squeeze in 1 run.
Traveling around 10mph, we honked it off or so I believe, as we took off roughly at the same time. I was kind of surprised, as I jumped out ahead while going sideays all through first and some of second, with the shut down around 70mph. I managed to put on a full 2 car lead but those cars are definitely quick. He did say he was at 405whp, and I believe if we continued, he may have made up some ground. We exchanged thumbs up and went on our way.
After playing a little catchup, I get along side him and open my dumps followed with a little blip of the throttle. I got his attention and he gave me the thumbs up, asking what exhaust I had. We chatted for a few seconds and I immediatly asked what stage he was. After the reply of stage 3, I looked ahead and we had a nice stretch that we could squeeze in 1 run.
Traveling around 10mph, we honked it off or so I believe, as we took off roughly at the same time. I was kind of surprised, as I jumped out ahead while going sideays all through first and some of second, with the shut down around 70mph. I managed to put on a full 2 car lead but those cars are definitely quick. He did say he was at 405whp, and I believe if we continued, he may have made up some ground. We exchanged thumbs up and went on our way.
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Don't think I know anyone in Georgia or I would say I may know him. There are a ton of "stage 3" B5 S4s out there but they certainly are not all created equally. It is actually amazing how much one stage 3 can be so much faster than the next based on a few little differences in mods and the tune they have so you never know what to expect.
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I know his setup is Borg Warner K04's with GIAC tuning software and fueling. Other than that, he said 405whp, not sure of TQ. I know the shop very well who did all the work, and can find out pretty much anything you guys want to know.
I love those cars and have much respect for them, they are slowly but surely turning into icons on the streets.
I love those cars and have much respect for them, they are slowly but surely turning into icons on the streets.
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Yeah, I am talking about all K04 cars vs each other mostly, then of course there are the variants like RS6 wheeled K04s and the newer Frankenturbos that are K04 size but flow a little more. If he has GIAC then he may not have a crazy powerful setup unless it is tweaked with lemmiwinks and is a strong running car. Dynoes numbers you never know what to expect since they read so differently, most of the fastest cars out there are custom tuned EPL or Vast tuned cars it seems like and an ASP here or there. There is one guy with a blue avant though with GIAC tweaked and a great running car that would work all kinds of other K04 stage 3 cars, he is in the last video I am posting where he met his match on a special gathering.
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Old video of three evenly matched fast ones that usually wooped all the rest got together and ran each other.
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Anybody know whos E55 this is?
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Old video of three evenly matched fast ones that usually wooped all the rest got together and ran each other.
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Anybody know whos E55 this is?
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I would love to have a stanger pull up and 3 honk it. How you guys find these people is beyond me.
Everyone wants to jump out in front of me or ricer fly by.
No one ever looks over at me. Always the Mr Cool straight ahead.
Everyone wants to jump out in front of me or ricer fly by.
No one ever looks over at me. Always the Mr Cool straight ahead.
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if its putting down 400awhp then its a plain jane off the shelf awe kit (giac) which is about the same as an APR kit and when they first came out 8 yrs ago they were the bomb for the b5 s4s at that time, but now APR and AWE left the b5 s4 platform a long time ago to focus on the b7/b8's and R8 where lots more money is...
so those are pretty much the slowest stage 3's around albiet the safest... i guess maybe think of it as e55 kleeman stage2 vs e55 180m/LTH with EC or OE tuning?
vast, wicked motorsport and 034 motorsports are generally the fastest ko4 stage 3s now and then EPL, ASP and wicked for bigger turbos like the tial 605s/770s, hybrids and GTs,,,
as some guys say stage 3 is the new stage 2
but to hang or even put distance on any stage 3 is fricken good as most of them are running low 11s to low 10s .... unless they have a boost leak
so those are pretty much the slowest stage 3's around albiet the safest... i guess maybe think of it as e55 kleeman stage2 vs e55 180m/LTH with EC or OE tuning?
vast, wicked motorsport and 034 motorsports are generally the fastest ko4 stage 3s now and then EPL, ASP and wicked for bigger turbos like the tial 605s/770s, hybrids and GTs,,,
as some guys say stage 3 is the new stage 2
but to hang or even put distance on any stage 3 is fricken good as most of them are running low 11s to low 10s .... unless they have a boost leak
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Low 11s or low 10s? Did you write that wrong? I only know of like 2 or 3 S4s to ever run a 10 and one was a GT2860rs car on high boost and race gas (Eurocode car at Eurotuner GP about 5 years ago) with no seats or exhaust and the other was one fulley gutted weighing about 1000lbs less than stock (Marc with his tin can bucket Nogaro). And even low 11s is extremely rare since most run high 11s that get the best times while the vast majority don't even get in the 11s from lack of driver mod or just barely not enough power for the weight. You have to of wrote that wrong since you have a Tial 605 S4 and should know this.
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I have a few friend's with Stage 3 B5's and they do well for what they have. I used to have an audi with the B5 S4 motor in it and loved the car. I used to know Mike from Wicked but haven't talked to him in forever. From the vid's I see of the cars comin out of his shop, I think he's doing pretty well. 
Nice run and reppin the AMG's!
Nice run and reppin the AMG's!
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there at least 10 diff drivers on dragtimes at 11.5 or lower..and we all know for the # on dragtimes there are prob double that which dont post or havent taken car to dragstrip... plus the b5 s4 weighs about 500lbs less than the e55 so why would it be hard to expect a car with same HP and 500lbs lighter not to be quicker?
and most of those times are the stage 3 Ko4 guys that rag out their car (with exception of OZ and guruman running bigger turbos)... most guys that have tial kits or GT kits have not even run their cars at the track for the 1/4..
for example the AMD 770 b5 s4 ran a vbox verified 5.7 60-130mph which is about the same as :
5.51 - FiskeGTS / Heffner bolt-on TT800 Gallardo
5.61 - RaceMX-M3 / Turbocharged E46 M3 / 1-shift
5.74 - Divexxtreme / Supercharged C6 Z06 / 1-shift
and much faster then :
6.23 - MikeWads / E92 M3 DCT with ESS SC and 100 shot of nitrous
6.36 - Jmoney / Supercharged E92 M3 11 psi, 1-shift
6.59 - Dads C63 / Bolt-On C63 AMG + 125 shot of Nitrous WHO RAN 10.34 1/4
6.65 - Acicchelli / Renntech SLR
so when we start to see these guys with the big turbo S4s actually hit the track you will see plenty of them running low 10s ...
and from what i remember about the Eurocode car is it never had a healthy run as it broke a drive shaft, burned up the clutch and had various vacumm problems... that car was a pure dyno queen
and most of those times are the stage 3 Ko4 guys that rag out their car (with exception of OZ and guruman running bigger turbos)... most guys that have tial kits or GT kits have not even run their cars at the track for the 1/4..
for example the AMD 770 b5 s4 ran a vbox verified 5.7 60-130mph which is about the same as :
5.51 - FiskeGTS / Heffner bolt-on TT800 Gallardo
5.61 - RaceMX-M3 / Turbocharged E46 M3 / 1-shift
5.74 - Divexxtreme / Supercharged C6 Z06 / 1-shift
and much faster then :
6.23 - MikeWads / E92 M3 DCT with ESS SC and 100 shot of nitrous
6.36 - Jmoney / Supercharged E92 M3 11 psi, 1-shift
6.59 - Dads C63 / Bolt-On C63 AMG + 125 shot of Nitrous WHO RAN 10.34 1/4
6.65 - Acicchelli / Renntech SLR
so when we start to see these guys with the big turbo S4s actually hit the track you will see plenty of them running low 10s ...
and from what i remember about the Eurocode car is it never had a healthy run as it broke a drive shaft, burned up the clutch and had various vacumm problems... that car was a pure dyno queen
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and i meant lo 11s as anything under 11.5 and anything above 11.5 being high... i could get more granular but then we are talking semantics and spliting hairs... my point was most stage 3s (not plain AWE/APR kit that run only 22psi, but more along the lines of vast tuned kits running more) are faster than most moded e55s so for chawkins2001 to put distance on one was a good run and his car must be well dialed in and one of the stronger E55s out there
didnt your B6 a4 beat your E55 thats putting out more HP, in some pulls?
didnt your B6 a4 beat your E55 thats putting out more HP, in some pulls?
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There have already been GT S4s at the track and they failed due to lack of driver mod like I said. There was one of the AMD cars who had some big power numbers and then ran times not worth talking about and another car was Adam in his GT2871 car who ran 12s. I know the cars are fast and should do better but what I am getting at is they haven't ran the times you mentioned. Especially when you say low 10s. The only cars I know is OZ the Polish guy who runs like 200 or 300 shot of nitrous on top of big turbos and runs 9s and then the USP Motorsport car that has a VR6 engine swap with big single turbo who also has ran in to the 9s with mostly low 10s but other than those two cars who has ran low 10s must less even hit a 10? You have Dom aka guruman and Marc aka 10secs4 that both ran 10s (10.5-11 range) and Marc is the tin can car I spoke of that weighed like 2800lbs with nothing left but the dash in it and then the low 11 second pass from Jason the owner of JHM and then all the times are these same 3 guys running from 10.5-11.5 range
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They were really close when I ran, but the A4 has also trapped 119mph how I daily drive it. It has meth injection so it doesn't have a problem with weather changes like the E55. It pretty much has 440whp which would be compared to an uber powerful K04 Stage 3 S4 (not sure if any K04 S4 has made that peak hp) but the A4 weights around 3500lbs so 300 or so less than S4 and 800 less than my E55 and I don't think the extra 60-70whp of E55 can overcome ~800lbs handycap that easy. I was shocked when I started pulling ahead on the top end when I ran them but who knows the E55 could have had some issues with intake temps then I really don't know. Last night I trapped 117.2, 117.5,119.2, 119.8 and 120.2 in the E55. And most of the S4s that break in to the 11s or trap 120+ are running race gas or no exhaust/open down pipes which you typically don't run in to on a normal ride out on the highway somewhere, there are a select few that have done it on pump or pump/meth and full exhaust but I would not say most like you mentioned.
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There have already been GT S4s at the track and they failed due to lack of driver mod like I said. There was one of the AMD cars who had some big power numbers and then ran times not worth talking about and another car was Adam in his GT2871 car who ran 12s. I know the cars are fast and should do better but what I am getting at is they haven't ran the times you mentioned. Especially when you say low 10s. The only cars I know is OZ the Polish guy who runs like 200 or 300 shot of nitrous on top of big turbos and runs 9s and then the USP Motorsport car that has a VR6 engine swap with big single turbo who also has ran in to the 9s with mostly low 10s but other than those two cars who has ran low 10s must less even hit a 10? You have Dom aka guruman and Marc aka 10secs4 that both ran 10s (10.5-11 range) and Marc is the tin can car I spoke of that weighed like 2800lbs with nothing left but the dash in it and then the low 11 second pass from Jason the owner of JHM and then all the times are these same 3 guys running from 10.5-11.5 range
the driver mod is the biggest thing for sure on launching AWD in the 1/4.. but my point with the 60-130mph time is to show that on the open road when the cars are already moving that the s4s are generally a beast where you dont have to worry about the driver botching a launch... this is where Chawkings race took place, not a drag strip from a dead stop... so my point remains that he beat a car that norrmal beats most E55 (go watch some of Evilempires videos against cammed stage 3 E55s) so for him to do that then he has a damn strong car and congrats to him
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you know the audi rs4 is fast as hell, i was getting on 400 in atl and i was behind one he saw me.....2 big puff of black smoke and he was on, i only followed showing him he could not leave me but that car is fast.
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Totally agree open road is easier than 1/4 doing runs and a car could shine better there, BUT the nice 60-130 cars you speak of are Tial/GT cars and Chawkins talked about a PJ (plain jain) K04 car and one with AWE software which I have driven two of and wasn't excited about either one, in fact I went to the track with one (owner driving) and it did a best of 12.4@114mph that night on 93 octane and my car kept pace with it on the highway at only 24psi (normally run 30). And I mentioned Evilempire's car earlier in the videos I posted (the blue avant), his car was special with K04s and AWE software tweaked that beat nearly every car he raced to include a ton of other Stage 3 S4s in all kinds of varieties.
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Yeah evilempire is running all sorts of lemmitweaks so def not a standard stage 3 but 12.4 for a k04 car is pretty bad as that's stage 2 ko3 stock turbos land... I think the fastest stage 2 ran 12.1 .... a stage 3 shouldn't run above 12 unless its got probe or the driver can't launch or is just plain not launching and just easing into 1st
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A buddy of mine is coming up with his stage 3 S4 soon, and I will do all sorts of runs for you guys on video. His is K04 setup, with EPL fueling and toon That should be fun!!!
That should be fun!!!
