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What just Dyno Tune nets you...
On Friday I made my way down to Van Nuys, CA to see Jeremy at OE Tuning so he could crack lose a few extra ponies on an otherwise stock 04' E55. I know you've all seen a million dyno posts but for those of you on the fence on if "just a tune it worth it" this post may be valuable to you.
As for me I say Hell Yeah it was worth it. But maybe for me it's the TunER and not that it got a Tune that makes it worth while.
BTW, yes the peak numbers are low compared to those that others have posted but please note this is a Dyno Dynamics dyno that is very conservative. It's the before & after immediate gains that matter to me.
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1st run(stock) was done after the car sat for 2 hours so it was nice and cool. The after tune run was done approx on 20-30 minutes after the 1st run and to me that makes the gains even more impressive.
The car is stock except for K&N filters. 53K miles. I've owned it for about 2 months now. It needs another 100hp though and I'll work on that as the months go by. My last DD had 679RWHP so while the E55 is a beast its not the beast I want it to be...yet. ;-)
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As for me I say Hell Yeah it was worth it. But maybe for me it's the TunER and not that it got a Tune that makes it worth while.
BTW, yes the peak numbers are low compared to those that others have posted but please note this is a Dyno Dynamics dyno that is very conservative. It's the before & after immediate gains that matter to me.
Notes:
1st run(stock) was done after the car sat for 2 hours so it was nice and cool. The after tune run was done approx on 20-30 minutes after the 1st run and to me that makes the gains even more impressive.
The car is stock except for K&N filters. 53K miles. I've owned it for about 2 months now. It needs another 100hp though and I'll work on that as the months go by. My last DD had 679RWHP so while the E55 is a beast its not the beast I want it to be...yet. ;-)
Regards,
Chad
now proud to be OE Tuned
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Long story... but Pulley and cooling mods are next on the list. just trying to decide on what size pulley(180 vs 172)...I've had many modded SC'd cars over the years and heat mgt is critical. It's the one piece I want to do on this car asap. Will do a split system but still in the research phase...and would rather not do a trunk mounted tank as its supposed to be my child hauler and not another track car. the 180 sounds intriguing but It seems like it puts the blower out of operating efficiency but i could be wrong. seems like cars are MPH'ing better with the 168-172 pulleys as the air charge is still cool enough the ECU allows for more freedom when charging out the back. Again I'm a newbie to the 55K platform so I really am just learning but seems to be what I am seeing. If I can keep temps down(allowing for the most aggressive timing & fuel curve by ECU) with a 180 then that may be the way to go since it reallywill be a street car so extended runs over 100mph should be rare.
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10-24-2011, 03:28 PM
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Still need to do better pics...did I mention I have a 14mo old son so my whole life is upside down...but in a good way. The smallest tasks(like taking car picsw) just seem to take forever now to get done.
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E55, CTS-V Wagon, Duc 1098R
Similar experience for me but my car was a little stronger on the same dyno. The next time I went it didn't fair as well with the additional mods so call it a welcome fluke. Mods were only a PLM heat exchanger and was done in +90 deg weather.
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Thank you for the compliments on it. I've always wanted(since 96) one of these. It's my 5th Porsche owned(2 races cars, wife had a Boxster & now Cayenne) and I hope to keep it forever/pass it down to my son.
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Wow your car was a lot stronger. I asked Jeremy about myt number and he said 350 on his dyno for a butt stock e55 was very typical. He said my car seemed very healthy and noting to worry about. Again, I just bought it a couple months ago. Maybe he was just saying it to make me feel better but who knows. If I ever get it to the track(after cooling and more boost mods) then I'll know if its "healthy" or not. I do think I've seen other Dyno Dynamics Stock e55's graphs in the 350hp range.
1098R...hmmm dream bike! I sold my 996 a little over a year ago...nothing beats the experience of a Duc.
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I'm sure it was a once in a lifetime situation and I think it also was before he got the new software installed on the dyno. After my stage three setup, the torque shot up but the power wasn't as impressive. I'll post up the dyno later but it made 485hp's and was really heat soaked.
Yeah the 1098R is my dream bike and found one for dirt and had to pick it up. I have had two kids since buying it so it has a whopping 1500 miles on it but I just love staring at it in the garage since it is a work of art. Nothing like almost 190hp's at less than 550lbs with me on it.
Yeah the 1098R is my dream bike and found one for dirt and had to pick it up. I have had two kids since buying it so it has a whopping 1500 miles on it but I just love staring at it in the garage since it is a work of art. Nothing like almost 190hp's at less than 550lbs with me on it.
Wow your car was a lot stronger. I asked Jeremy about myt number and he said 350 on his dyno for a butt stock e55 was very typical. He said my car seemed very healthy and noting to worry about. Again, I just bought it a couple months ago. Maybe he was just saying it to make me feel better but who knows. If I ever get it to the track(after cooling and more boost mods) then I'll know if its "healthy" or not. I do think I've seen other Dyno Dynamics Stock e55's graphs in the 350hp range.
1098R...hmmm dream bike! I sold my 996 a little over a year ago...nothing beats the experience of a Duc.
1098R...hmmm dream bike! I sold my 996 a little over a year ago...nothing beats the experience of a Duc.
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Close...C6 Z06. Forged pistons, blower cam, 10lbs of Vortech Boost, 138mph in the 1/4 and best of all, fully stock exhaust that passed Cali Smog with no issues. I sure do miss that one....but needed the money.
Long story... but Pulley and cooling mods are next on the list. just trying to decide on what size pulley(180 vs 172)...I've had many modded SC'd cars over the years and heat mgt is critical. It's the one piece I want to do on this car asap. Will do a split system but still in the research phase...and would rather not do a trunk mounted tank as its supposed to be my child hauler and not another track car. the 180 sounds intriguing but It seems like it puts the blower out of operating efficiency but i could be wrong. seems like cars are MPH'ing better with the 168-172 pulleys as the air charge is still cool enough the ECU allows for more freedom when charging out the back. Again I'm a newbie to the 55K platform so I really am just learning but seems to be what I am seeing. If I can keep temps down(allowing for the most aggressive timing & fuel curve by ECU) with a 180 then that may be the way to go since it reallywill be a street car so extended runs over 100mph should be rare.
Chad
Long story... but Pulley and cooling mods are next on the list. just trying to decide on what size pulley(180 vs 172)...I've had many modded SC'd cars over the years and heat mgt is critical. It's the one piece I want to do on this car asap. Will do a split system but still in the research phase...and would rather not do a trunk mounted tank as its supposed to be my child hauler and not another track car. the 180 sounds intriguing but It seems like it puts the blower out of operating efficiency but i could be wrong. seems like cars are MPH'ing better with the 168-172 pulleys as the air charge is still cool enough the ECU allows for more freedom when charging out the back. Again I'm a newbie to the 55K platform so I really am just learning but seems to be what I am seeing. If I can keep temps down(allowing for the most aggressive timing & fuel curve by ECU) with a 180 then that may be the way to go since it reallywill be a street car so extended runs over 100mph should be rare.
Chad
The 172 mm would be ideal with simple IC system split. If you plan to upgrade the H/E. go for the 180mm.
I have a 178mm from ASP. Its a OEM pulley with a welded ring.
With a good tune.. I went from 400 to 475 RWHP and I've had my pulley for about 4+ years.
I gotten a few tune updates from Eurocharge since then... and it keeps getter better.
Why no CTS-V? Since you were really involved with Chevy?
Couple obvious simple mods.
Remove your 2nd cats, and add X pipe.
There is a plastic cover underneath you hood for vent. Remove and it will make your S/C audible and allow hot air to escape. No issues with Rain.
Dropping your ride is simple as a few washers and messing with the rear sensor. Plenty of threads on that. Your wife and kids will never feel the difference. Trust me (I have 3 boys 9, 6, 2)
What makes these old W211 great, they look classy, very comfortable for the family and can hold its own for those who ask for it.
10-24-2011, 07:25 PM
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Nice gains man, yeah its impressive the difference just a tune makes on these cars. Without cooling mods i'm impressed with how your car keeps pulling up to redline.
10-24-2011, 07:50 PM
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I think you are very much on the right track on your approach.
The 172 mm would be ideal with simple IC system split. If you plan to upgrade the H/E. go for the 180mm.
I have a 178mm from ASP. Its a OEM pulley with a welded ring.
With a good tune.. I went from 400 to 475 RWHP and I've had my pulley for about 4+ years.
I gotten a few tune updates from Eurocharge since then... and it keeps getter better.
Why no CTS-V? Since you were really involved with Chevy?
Couple obvious simple mods.
Remove your 2nd cats, and add X pipe.
There is a plastic cover underneath you hood for vent. Remove and it will make your S/C audible and allow hot air to escape. No issues with Rain.
Dropping your ride is simple as a few washers and messing with the rear sensor. Plenty of threads on that. Your wife and kids will never feel the difference. Trust me (I have 3 boys 9, 6, 2)
What makes these old W211 great, they look classy, very comfortable for the family and can hold its own for those who ask for it.
The 172 mm would be ideal with simple IC system split. If you plan to upgrade the H/E. go for the 180mm.
I have a 178mm from ASP. Its a OEM pulley with a welded ring.
With a good tune.. I went from 400 to 475 RWHP and I've had my pulley for about 4+ years.
I gotten a few tune updates from Eurocharge since then... and it keeps getter better.
Why no CTS-V? Since you were really involved with Chevy?
Couple obvious simple mods.
Remove your 2nd cats, and add X pipe.
There is a plastic cover underneath you hood for vent. Remove and it will make your S/C audible and allow hot air to escape. No issues with Rain.
Dropping your ride is simple as a few washers and messing with the rear sensor. Plenty of threads on that. Your wife and kids will never feel the difference. Trust me (I have 3 boys 9, 6, 2)
What makes these old W211 great, they look classy, very comfortable for the family and can hold its own for those who ask for it.
CTS-V the new style are great...but can't be picked up for 24K ;-) Not a chevy guy either but the C6Z06 is a nice platform and you can make crazy reliable power and still have a perfectly drivable car and the wife can't tell the difference...lol. much different than all the 5-liter Mustangs I had back in the day.
The car is lowever(via STAR I assume) so the ride height is good and came with HRE's that look pretty good on it.
What x-pipe do most people use?
yeah well it does that once. I'm sure if we kept making pulls it would drop off significantly.
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Wow that 993 screams "Bad Boys Bad Boys!" Great Car, a must own for any true car guy! The 0-60 for that car when it released was 3.2!!! Faster than the later 996 models! AMAZING CAR
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96 and 08 911 turbos
The car in bad boys is a 964 turbo (known as a 965). And the fastest 0-60 time for the 993TT was about 3.7 seconds, but that required an absolutely brutal launch. Lot of twisted input shafts from that kind of behavior.
As for the 996TT, its faster.
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10-25-2011, 12:03 PM
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You better have literally boatloads of cash. performance parts for 993TT to get into the 700awhp range make e55 parts look positively cheap. Twin plugs, custom pistons, GT3R crank, GT3 oil pump, Arrow rods, dovetailing the case, flame ringing, hybrid zero clearance turbos, auxillary oil coolers, mega buck intercoolers etc etc.
take it from me, I built this EV12 on a budget.
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You better have literally boatloads of cash. performance parts for 993TT to get into the 700awhp range make e55 parts look positively cheap. Twin plugs, custom pistons, GT3R crank, GT3 oil pump, Arrow rods, dovetailing the case, flame ringing, hybrid zero clearance turbos, auxillary oil coolers, mega buck intercoolers etc etc.
well, I can appreciate the enthusiasm, but the accuracy of your post is lacking.
The car in bad boys is a 964 turbo (known as a 965). And the fastest 0-60 time for the 993TT was about 3.7 seconds, but that required an absolutely brutal launch. Lot of twisted input shafts from that kind of behavior.
As for the 996TT, its faster.
well, I can appreciate the enthusiasm, but the accuracy of your post is lacking.
The car in bad boys is a 964 turbo (known as a 965). And the fastest 0-60 time for the 993TT was about 3.7 seconds, but that required an absolutely brutal launch. Lot of twisted input shafts from that kind of behavior.
As for the 996TT, its faster.
Funny enough, a woman in the town I grew up in still has a gray 993TT to this day, and it has aftermarket wheels and an exhaust. She owns a local restaurant and daily-drives the car.
10-25-2011, 01:38 PM
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Unfortunately this is a very bad platform to make serious HP for a reasonable amount of bucks. Especially compared to the water-cooled motors of the 996-997. I'm talking about 8-10K just to go from 400hp-500hp...and that's crank hp. Driveline loss on these are close to 25% unless you do a RWD conversion. If you have the funds you can do it but cost per HP on this platform is just not very good.
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well, I can appreciate the enthusiasm, but the accuracy of your post is lacking.
The car in bad boys is a 964 turbo (known as a 965). And the fastest 0-60 time for the 993TT was about 3.7 seconds, but that required an absolutely brutal launch. Lot of twisted input shafts from that kind of behavior.
As for the 996TT, its faster.[/quote]
yup, 94' 3.6 965...sweet rides all on their own. 996tt are definately WAY easier to make MUCH faster(talking straight line here) but no matter how hard they try they still aren't 993tt's. Just a little humor I love the 996tt's as well and almost got a tiptronic one to be my DD but decided on the E55(More room and cheaper but still a Ton of fun).
Chad
The car in bad boys is a 964 turbo (known as a 965). And the fastest 0-60 time for the 993TT was about 3.7 seconds, but that required an absolutely brutal launch. Lot of twisted input shafts from that kind of behavior.
As for the 996TT, its faster.[/quote]
yup, 94' 3.6 965...sweet rides all on their own. 996tt are definately WAY easier to make MUCH faster(talking straight line here) but no matter how hard they try they still aren't 993tt's. Just a little humor I love the 996tt's as well and almost got a tiptronic one to be my DD but decided on the E55(More room and cheaper but still a Ton of fun).
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Unfortunately this is a very bad platform to make serious HP for a reasonable amount of bucks. Especially compared to the water-cooled motors of the 996-997. I'm talking about 8-10K just to go from 400hp-500hp...and that's crank hp. Driveline loss on these are close to 25% unless you do a RWD conversion. If you have the funds you can do it but cost per HP on this platform is just not very good.
. If it gets built he will be doing it. Who knows I might like the car and just keep it stock here and there but knowing myself I will get bored very quickly.
10-25-2011, 01:51 PM
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96 and 08 911 turbos
Not only will that be a huge waste of a great car, but your budget will be short unless you have some extreme in's with part suppliers.A Secan intercooler, which is almost required if you want more than maybe 2 runs before all the timing comes out, runs nearly $20k by itself.
If I had one, I'd keep it as close to stock as possible. Plenty fast and rear engine layout just makes me that much more prone to putting myself into a median.
Funny enough, a woman in the town I grew up in still has a gray 993TT to this day, and it has aftermarket wheels and an exhaust. She owns a local restaurant and daily-drives the car.
Funny enough, a woman in the town I grew up in still has a gray 993TT to this day, and it has aftermarket wheels and an exhaust. She owns a local restaurant and daily-drives the car.
