Weistec Engineering M113K Supercharger Upgrade...Progress
05-21-2012, 01:03 PM
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I kinda have to disagree with this, reason being because Weistec themself said it would be affordable for all, so they obviously didn't plan on selling it for $15k like the 63 engine model supercharger. People asked what it was gonna cost and they said the "affordable for all" line. Next that brings me to the question of why would they make them for the 63 cars along with engine parts (cnc ported heads, internals as well as axles)? I can't imagine they would think they could sell even close to as many superchargers or those others parts for those cars as they would for the 55k engine cars that are in the hands of people that I would say are far more driven to mod the cars.
Maybe I am crazy and not thinking logically here but it seems to make sense to me
It is like how many people on here have an E63 compared to an E55 and of those people how many have bought practically everything possible for the car that is available?
The way I see it is if you want to look at it the way of an E55 version for $10k instead of $15k for the 63 and why would they want to do it, well they would probably sell double in the E55 flavor. Even if they didn't sell quite double they are definitely going to sell more of them and say they sell 10 to 63 owners and 15 to 55k engine owners, we are talking $150k in sales vs $150k in sales as you see identical. And I realistically think they would sell far more to "us" making a larger margin between units sold for the different engine platform.
Maybe I am crazy and not thinking logically here but it seems to make sense to me
It is like how many people on here have an E63 compared to an E55 and of those people how many have bought practically everything possible for the car that is available? The way I see it is if you want to look at it the way of an E55 version for $10k instead of $15k for the 63 and why would they want to do it, well they would probably sell double in the E55 flavor. Even if they didn't sell quite double they are definitely going to sell more of them and say they sell 10 to 63 owners and 15 to 55k engine owners, we are talking $150k in sales vs $150k in sales as you see identical. And I realistically think they would sell far more to "us" making a larger margin between units sold for the different engine platform.
I doubt they will sell 15 kits at $10K price tag. For $10K you can actually upgrade from stock to stage 4 or 5 include the SC pulley kit.
05-21-2012, 01:11 PM
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I am having trouble seeing the business model on doing such a conversion.
When doing castings like I see in the picture there is a lot of upfront design and tooling costs, but the per piece price comes down significantly over doing it another way. Seeing that those look like real cast parts and not rapid prototype parts says to me they have already spent the money on the tooling unless they are rapid prototype.
Anyway, I know what it costs to design and manufacture a supercharger kit and unless there is some real magic in power gains over the stock system it does not make a lot of sense. We have seen the stock system pushed to some very high reliable power gains and it appears you can easily go past the point of reliability with the stock system so where is the advantage in a new expensive system?
I can tell you it does not look like they have more costs in developing a system then I do and they sell theirs for more than twice the price. If they can get 50-100 folks to pony up for a new system, especially at their prices they are making good money on it and then it is all profit from there.
I just kind of doubt there will be a huge benefit in switching systems.
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When doing castings like I see in the picture there is a lot of upfront design and tooling costs, but the per piece price comes down significantly over doing it another way. Seeing that those look like real cast parts and not rapid prototype parts says to me they have already spent the money on the tooling unless they are rapid prototype.
Anyway, I know what it costs to design and manufacture a supercharger kit and unless there is some real magic in power gains over the stock system it does not make a lot of sense. We have seen the stock system pushed to some very high reliable power gains and it appears you can easily go past the point of reliability with the stock system so where is the advantage in a new expensive system?
I can tell you it does not look like they have more costs in developing a system then I do and they sell theirs for more than twice the price. If they can get 50-100 folks to pony up for a new system, especially at their prices they are making good money on it and then it is all profit from there.
I just kind of doubt there will be a huge benefit in switching systems.
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05-21-2012, 01:21 PM
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I don't think you realize the difference of putting a larger supercharger on compared to bolting some headers a pulley and a bigger throttle body on. You could bolt on a catback exhaust and big blower and easily make over 100whp more than you would doing the typical 168 or 178mm pulley, headers (with no cats) and a throttle body among other little things people spend money on trying to make more power. Then you are not only gaining a lot of power you are switching to something more efficient to where you can keep a lot more of that power instead of losing it with the heat soaked intake temp rising stock setup if you run the car more than once in a row or lose a considerable amounts of performance in any kind of heat.
05-21-2012, 01:39 PM
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Well, that is true in a lot of cases, but remember you are still limited by the durability of the engine no mater what compressor you bolt on to it.
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05-21-2012, 01:40 PM
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I don't think you realize the difference of putting a larger supercharger on compared to bolting some headers a pulley and a bigger throttle body on. You could bolt on a catback exhaust and big blower and easily make over 100whp more than you would doing the typical 168 or 178mm pulley, headers (with no cats) and a throttle body among other little things people spend money on trying to make more power. Then you are not only gaining a lot of power you are switching to something more efficient to where you can keep a lot more of that power instead of losing it with the heat soaked intake temp rising stock setup if you run the car more than once in a row or lose a considerable amounts of performance in any kind of heat.
05-21-2012, 02:04 PM
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15 sets was just a number I threw out but honestly selling worldwide I could see them sell more than that easily, don't forget we are not the only car with this engine as well.
05-21-2012, 02:45 PM
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You are wrong my friend, every house has a ferrari, lambo, B. Zonda, etc.. you name it , but you forgot to say " every house has a tap of oil, when they need money, they just pour some and sell it !!!!! "
Come on, you think middle east is different much than US or other part of the modern world? Yeah we can buy, we have some money, but we are normal people working and having enough money to live.
Come on, you think middle east is different much than US or other part of the modern world? Yeah we can buy, we have some money, but we are normal people working and having enough money to live.
Come on guys!
08-30-2012, 11:22 AM
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08-30-2012, 11:42 AM
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Weistec states it will be hitting their website shortly. Sounds like mission complete!
08-30-2012, 12:01 PM
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Saw this yesterday on their facebook but still no update to website. That pulley looks pretty small, wonder what the boost will be using stock crank pulley and then with say a 180mm pulley like a lot of people run.
08-30-2012, 12:10 PM
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Well something that makes me tingly inside is seeing this on their facebook page from about a week ago.
850whp with their 3 liter supercharger which we will soon have available to us. Not the same engine, yes but it isn't going to be that different. Curious what kind of boost the car runs to obtain that power. I bet these things are going to be fun.
We have set the record for the Worlds Fastest Mercedes with a 144.6 mph 1/4 mile pass!!!
The CLK 63 black series is running our 3.0L Supercharger System, Built engine, bullet proof transmission, carbon fiber driveshaft, and CV axles. Thes
e upgrades produce a reliable 850 WHP on 109 octane.
The CLK 63 black series is running our 3.0L Supercharger System, Built engine, bullet proof transmission, carbon fiber driveshaft, and CV axles. Thes
e upgrades produce a reliable 850 WHP on 109 octane.
08-30-2012, 12:22 PM
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Well of course, if you want that number you will need to strengthen things, but seeing that kind of power makes something in the upper 600s/700whp range easily attainable on pump gas (and stock engine) if they are doing 850 on ms109. I suppose this is with cnc ported heads also though if I had to take a wild guess and knowing Weistec offers them for that car.
Curious if they had any kind of failures in the testing and what kind of power levels they decided were going to be good on the stock engine and hope it starts with a 7 lol.
Curious if they had any kind of failures in the testing and what kind of power levels they decided were going to be good on the stock engine and hope it starts with a 7 lol.
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08-30-2012, 12:22 PM
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Well something that makes me tingly inside is seeing this on their facebook page from about a week ago.
850whp with their 3 liter supercharger which we will soon have available to us. Not the same engine, yes but it isn't going to be that different. Curious what kind of boost the car runs to obtain that power. I bet these things are going to be fun.
850whp with their 3 liter supercharger which we will soon have available to us. Not the same engine, yes but it isn't going to be that different. Curious what kind of boost the car runs to obtain that power. I bet these things are going to be fun.
nice! but i wonder why they havent posted it on dragtimes but then again just goes to show that there are a lot of fast cars out there that arent on dragtimes... (edit: just noticed the timeslip as i watched the vid on their facebook and its the fastest trap, but not fastest MB time as it was 10.2 1/4, a far cry from the slr 9.68... but with that trap they should hit 9s no prob )
fyi there was a new audi record on dragtimes from a 2003 s3 running 8.844 sec @ 160.940
but then again there is john sleath driving the audi 80 in the 7's that isnt on dragtimes anyways would be nice to see one of these s/c projects actually end up on one of our cars within the next year, i am tired of waiting
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08-30-2012, 12:28 PM
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I feel you on the waiting, I have been looking at Jeep SRT8s, was thinking about selling the E55 and buying one then turboing it which is $9k for the starter kit from Stage6Motorsports who is local to me in Jacksonville. Around mid 6s on pump or 700whp on race and good for just over mid 10s at 130+, or you can get the built engine for $4k and built tranny for $4k (pretty much same as our tranny) and run up in the 900whp range with that kit doing low 10s at 135+. Need more power and it sucks not having much of an option at this present time for the 55 (unless these 2 companies about to offer superchargers start getting them rolling on the shelves). Having that kind of power and awd of the Jeep would be sweet but I just don't know how I feel about driving a Jeep, always been a car guy.
I love the E55 and I am sure with 700whp I could love it all over again and forget about a 900whp Jeep.
I love the E55 and I am sure with 700whp I could love it all over again and forget about a 900whp Jeep.
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08-30-2012, 01:14 PM
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I feel you on the waiting, I have been looking at Jeep SRT8s, was thinking about selling the E55 and buying one then turboing it which is $9k for the starter kit from Stage6Motorsports who is local to me in Jacksonville. Around mid 6s on pump or 700whp on race and good for just over mid 10s at 130+, or you can get the built engine for $4k and built tranny for $4k (pretty much same as our tranny) and run up in the 900whp range with that kit doing low 10s at 135+. Need more power and it sucks not having much of an option at this present time for the 55 (unless these 2 companies about to offer superchargers start getting them rolling on the shelves). Having that kind of power and awd of the Jeep would be sweet but I just don't know how I feel about driving a Jeep, always been a car guy.
I love the E55 and I am sure with 700whp I could love it all over again and forget about a 900whp Jeep.
I love the E55 and I am sure with 700whp I could love it all over again and forget about a 900whp Jeep.
Have you ever driven a lowered Jeep, it certainly does not behave at all like a suv. They are so sick, and demands alot of attention, where ever he pulls up, folks are like 
Not to mention they have a stout aftermarket with good pricing on parts. I think you would be very happy if you made the transition.
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Ok, here's a quick estimate
-3.0 sc $3k
-ic with by pass valve $1.5
-fuel rail $500
-injector $1k
-82mm tb $1k
Those alone are already at $7k!! Stop dreaming, it'll be easily $10k+.
The one thing in this package that got my attention is how they got away without the sc clutch. If we can eleminate the sc clutch on our engine we can gain some substantial hp by going to a lighter and much smaller sc pulley.
-3.0 sc $3k
-ic with by pass valve $1.5
-fuel rail $500
-injector $1k
-82mm tb $1k
Those alone are already at $7k!! Stop dreaming, it'll be easily $10k+.
The one thing in this package that got my attention is how they got away without the sc clutch. If we can eleminate the sc clutch on our engine we can gain some substantial hp by going to a lighter and much smaller sc pulley.
