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Old 02-06-2013, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
You are funny. I am fully aware a tuned E55 can do.

You guys were claiming how stock car is faster right?

Which part of ENGLISH you don't understand?
Actually I never stated a stock E55 was faster. Go back and reread the thread. So apparently you cannot READ ENGLISH! I realize your all butt hurt now- it really was joking around, sorry if you took things on the internet so personally. With that is out of the way, when do you want to meet up? And bring some of those tasty donuts man, love those donuts.

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This is a humorous thread... I have and had both cars. I had the E55 back when no one here had one sans Krispy and we had them brand new. No one talked trash like this back then. Who cares if a 10 year old car can keep with a modern day rival. There is always something faster. Why dont one of you with your 9 year old cars race me in my GTR or my 997.2TT. Why dont we do it from a dig? Or why dont we involve turns... LOL. Im kidding here but Im sure no one would want a piece of a those cars from a dig or even up top and they arent even remotely fast as others in their segment (they are modded though). Like I said there is always something faster.

I have had 7 amgs and 6 M's--- all great for different reasons. The E55 was an inconic car but its long in the tooth for me. I have moved on to 65's, 63's and twin turbo 63's. And now I have two S63tu engines from BMW.

But there is still a ford pinto out there that will kill us all no?

Just keep it clean in here and show respect- enjoy the competition. Krispy I look forward to your vids
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Originally Posted by Vic55
This is a humorous thread... I have and had both cars. I had the E55 back when no one here had one sans Krispy and we had them brand new. No one talked trash like this back then. Who cares if a 10 year old car can keep with a modern day rival. There is always something faster. Why dont one of you with your 9 year old cars race me in my GTR or my 997.2TT. Why dont we do it from a dig? Or why dont we involve turns... LOL. Im kidding here but Im sure no one would want a piece of a those cars from a dig or even up top and they arent even remotely fast as others in their segment (they are modded though). Like I said there is always something faster.

I have had 7 amgs and 6 M's--- all great for different reasons. The E55 was an inconic car but its long in the tooth for me. I have moved on to 65's, 63's and twin turbo 63's. And now I have two S63tu engines from BMW.

But there is still a ford pinto out there that will kill us all no?

Just keep it clean in here and show respect- enjoy the competition. Krispy I look forward to your vids
I will race your Pinto in my Vega brother! And most here would rather see 'another' kind of video
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I have the up most respect for the F10. One of my favorite cars in the world, just wanna see a race
Thanks man, I like mine and its very very fast. Id say faster than CLS63TT PP when it was stock. I have seen recent airstrip runs that prove it. Of course this is all straight line dialogue. The driving dynamics of the car are better, for me, than even the new steering racks of the M157 engines. The M157's have electronic steering which creates far too much understeer. I wonder there isnt more dialogue around true driveability. We all know the pigmatic system in the E55 is a terrible suspension. Even the M157 suspension is too soft with airmatic in back. The car has too much yaw in high speed turns and lacks the neutral feel of the f10. Again my opinion; now my C63 Black Series is another animal all together. The best, hands down, AMG Ive ever had.

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Originally Posted by krispykrme
Unless that E60 driver is dead. Highly unlikely.

80mph, the M5 is still in 2nd gear, the E55 should just about the shift into 4th.

M5 SMG has tighter ratio than the E55's 5 speed. It will pull away from E55 from 3rd to 6th gear.

If the E60 driver is skilled and holds the rev well. E60 requires more skills to driven well. The E55 is good for anyone that knows how to press gas pedal.

This was a video we made about 4 years ago. My engine is stock now as it was then. This was against my buddies with modded e60 M5s. Enjoy the footage.

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I have always had respect for M5s. Especially this new one. The speaker thing is kinda strange to say the least. But, I'm willing to overlook that minor nuance. The performance is very impressive and they look great.

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Actually I never stated a stock E55 was faster. Go back and reread the thread. So apparently you cannot READ ENGLISH! I realize your all butt hurt now- it really was joking around, sorry if you took things on the internet so personally. With that is out of the way, when do you want to meet up? And bring some of those tasty donuts man, love those donuts.
Dude- take it easy. I really did not appreciated to be called pusxx.

This is like comparing a 20 year old civic with a highly tuned engine is faster than E55. Pointless.

Stock to stock, E55 is old and out dated. That is my point. Perhaps you should read in more detail what i posted.

I am fully aware what a tuned E55 can do. But its pointless.
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Damn... Good logic here 20 year old civic vs E55 = 9 year old E55 vs new M5?
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
Dude- take it easy. I really did not appreciated to be called pusxx.

This is like comparing a 20 year old civic with a highly tuned engine is faster than E55. Pointless.

Stock to stock, E55 is old and out dated. That is my point. Perhaps you should read in more detail what i posted.

I am fully aware what a tuned E55 can do. But its pointless.

Stock for stock the E55 is faster than a E60 M5!
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Originally Posted by War Tank
Stock for stock the E55 is faster than a E60 M5!
Quicker yes... faster no.

from a dig it will eat up the SMG crap tranny (no tq) but as the rpms and speed rise the e60 will become more optimal. Thats why E60's would pull on E55's at higher speeds. I had both- well I had both engines (had the S65 engine m6) and I race alot of E55's from a dig (it didnt work all that well for me ) but from rollers I had limited issues unless I missed a shift.

The E55 was and is easier to drive than the E60- its a mash a go machine while the S65 is a 8/10ths or greater engine. You have to be always aware and on it to get the most out of it. If you are in the right range its a very rewarding experience; if you werent you were playing catch up no doubt.

Like I said before, both great cars for different purposes and different drivers.
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
Unless that E60 driver is dead. Highly unlikely.

80mph, the M5 is still in 2nd gear, the E55 should just about the shift into 4th.

M5 SMG has tighter ratio than the E55's 5 speed. It will pull away from E55 from 3rd to 6th gear.

If the E60 driver is skilled and holds the rev well. E60 requires more skills to driven well. The E55 is good for anyone that knows how to press gas pedal.
What?? Maybe a broken e55 with a bad Intercooler pump. I've raced an e60 m5 about 10 times with videos up to 130/135 I've never been walked ever by one. I raced different cars as well. I start in 2nd @45mph what are you saying 4th gear is at 80? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and you're completely biast. You must know this guy named GUSTAV.
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For sure, should be fun- the Mexican toll roads are a place of beauty. Speed and Tacos....

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For sure, should be fun- the Mexican toll roads are a place of beauty. Speed and Tacos....

Nice. Winnings always best but I rather play the game and loose then not played at all
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What?? Maybe a broken e55 with a bad Intercooler pump. I've raced an e60 m5 about 10 times with videos up to 130/135 I've never been walked ever by one. I raced different cars as well. I start in 2nd @45mph what are you saying 4th gear is at 80? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and you're completely biast. You must know this guy named GUSTAV.

I remember saw few years ago you posted some videos run against M5 and you walk them all the time. I have a feeling Mr kryspe just doesn't know how to drive a e55 ...4th gear at 80mph
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I remember saw few years ago you posted some videos run against M5 and you walk them all the time. I have a feeling Mr kryspe just doesn't know how to drive a e55 ...4th gear at 80mph
Yeah i have all the videos still. Raced 2 of them and they were all same results. The only car that actually walked me stock vs stock im the 500hp sedan world was a CTS-V.
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Here is one of the airstrip runs. This one was from a 50mph roll. 2nd run was at 40 mph same results. ClS had PP both cars were stock.

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Here is one of the airstrip runs. This one was from a 50mph roll. 2nd run was at 40 mph same results. ClS had PP both cars were stock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojhQsoQPgOA&sns=em
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Originally Posted by Vic55
Quicker yes... faster no.

from a dig it will eat up the SMG crap tranny (no tq) but as the rpms and speed rise the e60 will become more optimal. Thats why E60's would pull on E55's at higher speeds. I had both- well I had both engines (had the S65 engine m6) and I race alot of E55's from a dig (it didnt work all that well for me ) but from rollers I had limited issues unless I missed a shift.

The E55 was and is easier to drive than the E60- its a mash a go machine while the S65 is a 8/10ths or greater engine. You have to be always aware and on it to get the most out of it. If you are in the right range its a very rewarding experience; if you werent you were playing catch up no doubt.

Like I said before, both great cars for different purposes and different drivers.
I never lost to any m5 at any speeds stock. IMO the e55 is just faster at any speed, you just have to make sure its not heat soaked.
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I never lost to any m5 at any speeds stock. IMO the e55 is just faster at any speed, you just have to make sure its not heat soaked.
Agreed. My runs vs a e60 m5




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Originally Posted by War Tank
I never lost to any m5 at any speeds stock. IMO the e55 is just faster at any speed, you just have to make sure its not heat soaked.
I dont doubt your word at all. I have owned all the cars in question- The E55, the M6 of old (engine same), the new M5, the new M157. I have tangible proof and have been around a long time here so I can absolutely agree with all of you that you may have never lost. But as most of the old schools know me, I dont bs and I have beaten many an e55 up top and e63's too with 7 speeds. Your results are fact so are mine. And Im sure if we went to the M5 boards the results would be different where they say they have never lost a rolling race to an e55. If they say they have never lost a dig race they are lying Again I owned all the cars, drove them hard daily to speeds upwards of 175mph... I dont see anyone here with that much experience in true ownership.

I have been doing these types of races since I got the e55 in 2004 and when the M5 came out it was very clear; if the driver is not on it and doesn properly shift the SMG, the E55 will win every single time down low and up top. But these are E60 vs E55 comparos so Ill stipulate as such. The F10 vs E55 will not yield the same results. Hey the M113k is an amazing engine, still is but to me its dated. I think its a great buy for those who dont want to spend as much on a newer car with more modern technology behind the engine and tranny. The E55 was one of the best cars Ive ever owned. I normally keep my cars 1 year and I kept the E over 3 years, proof there. But another car that was amazing to me (which compared to my W210E55) was the E39 M5- another great car.

There will always be something faster on race day. I enjoy all my cars- Im glad you all do too.


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