After pinning, dyno tune, driving 100 miles, new look at the 195mm RTR pulley wobble
04-18-2012, 03:34 PM
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Thanks for your comment there homey, but again you have so much incorrect information and obviously have not read my 12 page thread I started which documents my winter upgrades to my car. That shows the crank right after the pulley was pulled off, along with the tons of other documented pics.
I am surprised you are a MB technician with all the garbage that it coming out your mouth. Until you know the history of my car, its build, Buckhead Import Performance, quit posting on this site, you are contaminating it.
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I am certain Craig knew what he was getting into walking the modification path as he seems to have done with many cars before.
However I have had these problems in the past, and have come to the realization that altho chasing the power numbers allows you to become a "innovator" in the community. Nobody is willing to pay for their mistakes when looking to achieve these numbers.quote]
Ive never posted on here before, hell i've never even made an account until now. But all the misinformation no hard facts or evidence is out of control. I couldn't agree more then with the post above. I know i'll be bashed but frankly don't care what Chawkins has to say, ive always skimmed threw the forums in my free time here at the shop when works slow. And just for some backround I work and have worked at a mercedes dealership now for over 9 years and work on a few of the local SLR's, v12tt's, and uncountable 55's. This whole pulley debockle is comical. I mean Chawkins your pulley fell OFF on the dyno right after install, your installer BIP installed it wrong not a doubt in my mind for a second. The damning evidence there is that after they told you the crank snout was okay and smooth was again wrong and a lie, did they dismantle the front engine cover mic the end of the crank and compare it to a new crank for tolerances??? No im sure they didn't. So you DONT know if the crank was any good, which again im positive it wasnt. So further more they pin your crank......And magically the pulley staid on for what your saying is dyno runs, a 100 miles and yes it has wobble but didnt come off yet, so thats about 100 times longer then it originally staid on, any common sense would tell you they did not have it on correct the first time. Secondly how many pulleys have you had on your car how many times did they incorrectly install the previous one was the key way checked each time surely not. So the way I see it is that even if you put back on a 180 factory hubbed pulley the same outcome would be inevitable, bad install = bad crank = bad outcome no matter if its pinned, keywayed, or welded on the damn crank. No way ever does a pulley come loose spin the keyway and the machined fit and finish is the same period. Seems BIP tried to cover there mistake and Pinning the crank is not the anwser once the crank has damage, If anything I would be pissed at them as well for doing that. Further more about 6-7 years ago mercedes has a huge recall campaign on ML500's and 320s that had what they considered to be faulty pulleys thousands were replaced, and I can tell you that even at the dealership I work at 5 came back within a 4 month period to where the recall had started where the pulleys came loose from techs in the shop not getting the torque correct even though they were following the mercedes specs and procedure. And those pulleys dont have nearly the resistance of the 55 with the kompressor belt and oversized pulley that you guys are running. Dude just man up stop being a baby and either fix your car or leave it in the garage. Your modding your car, your mixing parts from different vendors/people, your personally not doing the install so you have jadded information from all angles. I know there's another member on here with issue's and you can try and coincide your mishap with his but here im just addressing you and your situation based on all your previous posts, threads, and comments.
However I have had these problems in the past, and have come to the realization that altho chasing the power numbers allows you to become a "innovator" in the community. Nobody is willing to pay for their mistakes when looking to achieve these numbers.quote]
Ive never posted on here before, hell i've never even made an account until now. But all the misinformation no hard facts or evidence is out of control. I couldn't agree more then with the post above. I know i'll be bashed but frankly don't care what Chawkins has to say, ive always skimmed threw the forums in my free time here at the shop when works slow. And just for some backround I work and have worked at a mercedes dealership now for over 9 years and work on a few of the local SLR's, v12tt's, and uncountable 55's. This whole pulley debockle is comical. I mean Chawkins your pulley fell OFF on the dyno right after install, your installer BIP installed it wrong not a doubt in my mind for a second. The damning evidence there is that after they told you the crank snout was okay and smooth was again wrong and a lie, did they dismantle the front engine cover mic the end of the crank and compare it to a new crank for tolerances??? No im sure they didn't. So you DONT know if the crank was any good, which again im positive it wasnt. So further more they pin your crank......And magically the pulley staid on for what your saying is dyno runs, a 100 miles and yes it has wobble but didnt come off yet, so thats about 100 times longer then it originally staid on, any common sense would tell you they did not have it on correct the first time. Secondly how many pulleys have you had on your car how many times did they incorrectly install the previous one was the key way checked each time surely not. So the way I see it is that even if you put back on a 180 factory hubbed pulley the same outcome would be inevitable, bad install = bad crank = bad outcome no matter if its pinned, keywayed, or welded on the damn crank. No way ever does a pulley come loose spin the keyway and the machined fit and finish is the same period. Seems BIP tried to cover there mistake and Pinning the crank is not the anwser once the crank has damage, If anything I would be pissed at them as well for doing that. Further more about 6-7 years ago mercedes has a huge recall campaign on ML500's and 320s that had what they considered to be faulty pulleys thousands were replaced, and I can tell you that even at the dealership I work at 5 came back within a 4 month period to where the recall had started where the pulleys came loose from techs in the shop not getting the torque correct even though they were following the mercedes specs and procedure. And those pulleys dont have nearly the resistance of the 55 with the kompressor belt and oversized pulley that you guys are running. Dude just man up stop being a baby and either fix your car or leave it in the garage. Your modding your car, your mixing parts from different vendors/people, your personally not doing the install so you have jadded information from all angles. I know there's another member on here with issue's and you can try and coincide your mishap with his but here im just addressing you and your situation based on all your previous posts, threads, and comments.
I am surprised you are a MB technician with all the garbage that it coming out your mouth. Until you know the history of my car, its build, Buckhead Import Performance, quit posting on this site, you are contaminating it.
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04-18-2012, 03:41 PM
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Thanks for your comment there homey, but again you have so much incorrect information and obviously have not read my 12 page thread I started which documents my winter upgrades to my car. That shows the crank right after the pulley was pulled off, along with the tons of other documented pics.
I am surprised you are a MB technician with all the garbage that it coming out your mouth. Until you know the history of my car, its build, Buckhead Import Performance, quit posting on this site, you are contaminating it.
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04-18-2012, 03:52 PM
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Funny you mention that. That happened to me and there was zero support and tuner claimed my engine was weak. On first pull post tune it broke all 8 piston ringlands. There sure is some ****ty customer service in the Mb tuner world. But that's an off topic story for another time
04-18-2012, 03:57 PM
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The same could be said of you. Why sign up for a forum that you supposedly have been reading for years to post about a pulley? Why are you acting like you are the pulley manufacturer? Now to answer your questions... If you have been reading these forums as much as you say then you would know Steve and I are good friends and I know alot about his car first hand. I'm not just a stranger looking in. I've wrenched on plenty of cars and built some fast ones. and don't worry the facts are coming, just because they aren't posted doesn't mean we don't have them. Sit back and relax noob
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Thanks for your comment there homey, but again you have so much incorrect information and obviously have not read my 12 page thread I started which documents my winter upgrades to my car. That shows the crank right after the pulley was pulled off, along with the tons of other documented pics.
I am surprised you are a MB technician with all the garbage that it coming out your mouth. Until you know the history of my car, its build, Buckhead Import Performance, quit posting on this site, you are contaminating it.
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Dude your a joke, look back at most all your threads, starting from way back you have contridicted yourself countless times on modifications what you thought was good vs bad, stating everythings so great and perfect with your car and BIPS work and you've yet to hit 10's and pulling your seats for garbage aftermarkets at even honda's standards. Its laughable.... If your so worried about weight ill do you a favor come by RBM and i'll cut off your cut outs which are useless to save you a few more pounds. Its funny I think back to when you started another cry baby thread about the tasteless roof vinyle wrap you bought off here that didn't fit, it just shows age doesn't help your ignorance. And how you were going to get a whipple on your car. Again have your holy grail of a shop come on here and defend, support, and give some insight to this matter, not crappy camera phone videos....No camera phone or video camera thats less then a 50k is going to have a fast enough frame rate to capture runout. Tell bip to invest in a dial indicator, some micrometers, and some WIS instructions to build your car from falling apart.
Thanks for your comment there homey, but again you have so much incorrect information and obviously have not read my 12 page thread I started which documents my winter upgrades to my car. That shows the crank right after the pulley was pulled off, along with the tons of other documented pics.
I am surprised you are a MB technician with all the garbage that it coming out your mouth. Until you know the history of my car, its build, Buckhead Import Performance, quit posting on this site, you are contaminating it.
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04-18-2012, 04:27 PM
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Thanks for your comment there homey, but again you have so much incorrect information and obviously have not read my 12 page thread I started which documents my winter upgrades to my car. That shows the crank right after the pulley was pulled off, along with the tons of other documented pics.
I am surprised you are a MB technician with all the garbage that it coming out your mouth. Until you know the history of my car, its build, Buckhead Import Performance, quit posting on this site, you are contaminating it.
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And actually I do know of buckhead imports quite well, and jason the owner. Speculation I see is your strong suit and not facts. I also personally know one of the techs at there buckhead store. You would be surprised how many people in the mercedes repair industry know one another, most of the guys that end up in the independent shops were at a franchise dealer at one time 
So believe me the quality of work, tools, and experiances varies vastly.
Thanks for your comment there homey, but again you have so much incorrect information and obviously have not read my 12 page thread I started which documents my winter upgrades to my car. That shows the crank right after the pulley was pulled off, along with the tons of other documented pics.
I am surprised you are a MB technician with all the garbage that it coming out your mouth. Until you know the history of my car, its build, Buckhead Import Performance, quit posting on this site, you are contaminating it.
CLOWN
So believe me the quality of work, tools, and experiances varies vastly.
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The same could be said of you. Why sign up for a forum that you supposedly have been reading for years to post about a pulley? Why are you acting like you are the pulley manufacturer? Now to answer your questions... If you have been reading these forums as much as you say then you would know Steve and I are good friends and I know alot about his car first hand. I'm not just a stranger looking in. I've wrenched on plenty of cars and built some fast ones. and don't worry the facts are coming, just because they aren't posted doesn't mean we don't have them. Sit back and relax noob
Sorry you consider me a noob, while you and your online gang were and are busy making posts and wild accusations, ive been busy working on, fixing, and educating myself on the vehicles, products, and repair procedures. Thanks for noting that I haven't been lost online being a "forum specialist" but actually gaining real world experiances on these cars, I can assure you I have worked on more 55's then you ever have, or bip has it there entirity. I don't care if it is bips faulty or if the pulley is trash the point is bring some evidence to the table, your condeming parts as the sole cause of failure and not once have the installers stepped up to defend that or brough forth there install procedures, and Chawkins you can get f*cked you haven't wrenched on a bit of your car how do you know things were done infact correctly?? You have videos of everything after the fact why not of the install, reinstall, or measurements of the crank with runout. Do you not know these things are possibilities?? And are determinable, pinning a crank was a band aid for a problem that had already occured within minutues of the first install. Installer fail, part fail, or combination of the two is possible but you need more information from every source now your one sided banter.
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04-18-2012, 04:48 PM
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Dude your a joke, look back at most all your threads, starting from way back you have contridicted yourself countless times on modifications what you thought was good vs bad, stating everythings so great and perfect with your car and BIPS work and you've yet to hit 10's and pulling your seats for garbage aftermarkets at even honda's standards. Its laughable.... If your so worried about weight ill do you a favor come by RBM and i'll cut off your cut outs which are useless to save you a few more pounds. Its funny I think back to when you started another cry baby thread about the tasteless roof vinyle wrap you bought off here that didn't fit, it just shows age doesn't help your ignorance. And how you were going to get a whipple on your car. Again have your holy grail of a shop come on here and defend, support, and give some insight to this matter, not crappy camera phone videos....No camera phone or video camera thats less then a 50k is going to have a fast enough frame rate to capture runout. Tell bip to invest in a dial indicator, some micrometers, and some WIS instructions to build your car from falling apart.
I see I have touched a soft spot, btw, you local in Atlanta, I am actually very excited that you might be
I want you to tell me all this s**t to my face, and Jasons for that matter, since you are talking all this smack about his shop.
I will drive up to where ever you are working.
Dude your a joke, look back at most all your threads, starting from way back you have contridicted yourself countless times on modifications what you thought was good vs bad, stating everythings so great and perfect with your car and BIPS work and you've yet to hit 10's and pulling your seats for garbage aftermarkets at even honda's standards. Its laughable.... If your so worried about weight ill do you a favor come by RBM and i'll cut off your cut outs which are useless to save you a few more pounds. Its funny I think back to when you started another cry baby thread about the tasteless roof vinyle wrap you bought off here that didn't fit, it just shows age doesn't help your ignorance. And how you were going to get a whipple on your car. Again have your holy grail of a shop come on here and defend, support, and give some insight to this matter, not crappy camera phone videos....No camera phone or video camera thats less then a 50k is going to have a fast enough frame rate to capture runout. Tell bip to invest in a dial indicator, some micrometers, and some WIS instructions to build your car from falling apart.
I want you to tell me all this s**t to my face, and Jasons for that matter, since you are talking all this smack about his shop.
I will drive up to where ever you are working.
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I see I have touched a soft spot, btw, you local in Atlanta, I am actually very excited that you might be
I want you to tell me all this s**t to my face, and Jasons for that matter, since you are talking all this smack about his shop.
I will drive up to where ever you are working.
Come on up to back shop of RBM ill be here ill hear either or the fords obnoxious sound on the way in, ill show you how we settle things here might be different then africa.
I see I have touched a soft spot, btw, you local in Atlanta, I am actually very excited that you might be
I want you to tell me all this s**t to my face, and Jasons for that matter, since you are talking all this smack about his shop.
I will drive up to where ever you are working.
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No dog in this race, but I think it might be a good idea for nobody to post in this thread for a day. Let emotions cool down, and pick it back up with cooler heads tomorrow.
Crack a beer, kiss our gorgeous wives, read a story to our kids, and get our thoughts together.
Good luck to all involved.
Crack a beer, kiss our gorgeous wives, read a story to our kids, and get our thoughts together.
Good luck to all involved.
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Am i the only one that thinks "bustedknuckles" is Brooke?? He just happened to just make a name to get into the thread and knows sooooo much about this topic. Maybe its not but he sure knows Brooke. Like stated before. We will have a 3rd party evaluation on the pulley soon enough and go from there. Lets see how many RTR pulleys come off or how many time bombs are out there.
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Whoa guys chill out!!! Craig man dont let Bustedknuckles get to you. I know Craig, and furthermore Jason's shop does do good work for anyone believing otherwise. Craig ill shoot you a text I think I know who BK is if he is from RBM.
04-18-2012, 05:15 PM
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Sorry you consider me a noob, while you and your online gang were and are busy making posts and wild accusations, ive been busy working on, fixing, and educating myself on the vehicles, products, and repair procedures. Thanks for noting that I haven't been lost online being a "forum specialist" but actually gaining real world experiances on these cars, I can assure you I have worked on more 55's then you ever have
You get paid to repair cars for a living. But don't think I don't know my way around a 55 engine. Says you own a E55, how many times have you been to the track? What mods do you have? And yes I turn wrenches but I don't rely on that to make a living. It is just fun for me. But based on real world results I seem to be ok at it
04-18-2012, 05:16 PM
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Alright, I just found out who bustedknucles is, no wonder you are so angry
not responding to any of his comments, they have no value. That does not mean you wont hear from us, keep your ear to the ground brotha.
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not responding to any of his comments, they have no value. That does not mean you wont hear from us, keep your ear to the ground brotha. [quote=BustedKnuckles;5155161]
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04-18-2012, 05:18 PM
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No dog in this race, but I think it might be a good idea for nobody to post in this thread for a day. Let emotions cool down, and pick it back up with cooler heads tomorrow.
Crack a beer, kiss our gorgeous wives, read a story to our kids, and get our thoughts together.
Good luck to all involved.
Crack a beer, kiss our gorgeous wives, read a story to our kids, and get our thoughts together.
Good luck to all involved.
04-18-2012, 05:29 PM
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How many 195 rtr pulleys have been sold my rtr ? Any issues with othe owners besides the two here. If only 2 and have 2 failures, things don't look good for rtr. How much R&D was done on these large pulleys? Can solid data be provided to quantify the reliability of these rtr pulleys? Those in the ec rtr group buy for smaller pulleys should they be concerned?
04-18-2012, 05:30 PM
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Ok gang, there has been much said and much suggested. Still, I AM THE GUY THAT HAD 3 PULLEYS FALL OFF FROM from 2 different manufactures, Eruochaged and ASP that was installed by 1 place Autoscope Dallas. I have had pulleys put on by M-Power (185 ASP after Autoscope ASP 190 intall fell off the front in less than 24hours) and never had a pulley issue again.
One thing is for sure, this is a way more tricky install than most people think and the fingers go flying in every direction when something goes wrong. It's painful for all and I KNOW YOUR PAIN. So best of luck.
All I can say is I'm glad Ted at M-Power had the know how and Jerry at Eurocharged stood up to help make things right. I will always respect them for that.
I hope you get some relief too!
One thing is for sure, this is a way more tricky install than most people think and the fingers go flying in every direction when something goes wrong. It's painful for all and I KNOW YOUR PAIN. So best of luck.
All I can say is I'm glad Ted at M-Power had the know how and Jerry at Eurocharged stood up to help make things right. I will always respect them for that.
I hope you get some relief too!
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I see I have touched a soft spot, btw, you local in Atlanta, I am actually very excited that you might be
I want you to tell me all this s**t to my face, and Jasons for that matter, since you are talking all this smack about his shop.
I will drive up to where ever you are working.
Internet fights
! You must be a real bad man.
Why dont you go to the BustedKnuckles place of work and slap him in the face?
I see I have touched a soft spot, btw, you local in Atlanta, I am actually very excited that you might be
I want you to tell me all this s**t to my face, and Jasons for that matter, since you are talking all this smack about his shop.
I will drive up to where ever you are working.
Internet fights
! You must be a real bad man.Why dont you go to the BustedKnuckles place of work and slap him in the face?
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[quote=chawkins2001;5155201]Alright, I just found out who bustedknucles is, no wonder you are so angry not responding to any of his comments, they have no value. That does not mean you wont hear from us, keep your ear to the ground brotha.
if this guy works at RBM of atlanta in the tech dept then i wonder which one it is??
http://www.rbmofatlanta.com/about-us/meet-our-team
I am betting its Curt Cunningham as he looks pissed!
not responding to any of his comments, they have no value. That does not mean you wont hear from us, keep your ear to the ground brotha. if this guy works at RBM of atlanta in the tech dept then i wonder which one it is??
http://www.rbmofatlanta.com/about-us/meet-our-team
I am betting its Curt Cunningham as he looks pissed!
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Alright, I just found out who bustedknucles is, no wonder you are so angry not responding to any of his comments, they have no value. That does not mean you wont hear from us, keep your ear to the ground brotha.
if this guy works at RBM of atlanta in the tech dept then i wonder which one it is??
http://www.rbmofatlanta.com/about-us/meet-our-team
I am betting its Curt Cunningham as he looks pissed!
not responding to any of his comments, they have no value. That does not mean you wont hear from us, keep your ear to the ground brotha. if this guy works at RBM of atlanta in the tech dept then i wonder which one it is??
http://www.rbmofatlanta.com/about-us/meet-our-team
I am betting its Curt Cunningham as he looks pissed!
