AKnight55

Pertaining to?

blackbenzz

Hey admins... Can we add extreme stupidity as a violation of the tou please???

Toadster

the interaction you were speaking of - when things break they don't return calls or texts, or get shady

what/when did that happen to you?

BenzoDoc

So when you bought something from Shardul, he didn't jump through hoops and turn water into wine for you?

That's very ****in hard to believe.

Oh, wait, you're making statements based off board drama instead of experience or having seen evidence? That's interesting.

BenzoDoc

This.

I appreciate your BS meter Todd.

e55amgrocket

Toadster has always wanted to fit in somewhere and i think he finally found it. I see a move down to houston in his near future lol.

AKnight55

It didn't happen to me.. Never said it did, did I? Clearly I was talking on about Steve's issue.. I really don't think Steve would be lying about Brooke and Shardul not e-mailing or texting him back, do you? They even avoid questions they ask in threads.. Brooke even told Steve to "man up and call him".. Clearly showing he doesn't want there to be paper trail.. Not answering the simple question of who owns RTR or UPD for that matter..

AKnight55

Clearly im speaking about drama on the forum.. This should be handled behind closed doors, but it wasnt.. Thus the reason Steve started to speak out, no?

Ive never met Brooke or Shardul, but I know they have done a lot for our community.. Just providing an unbiased opinion to the matter.. Can you say your opinion is unbiased?

CharlyE500

Why Kleemann and Renntech are more expensive because of initial RD work and they warranty their product. RD is not as simple as you think, once more production sold the cost will drop down. The best example with Kleemann header used to be $2200 and now only $1K and you can get tune for very close to EC price now. Nothing wrong with innovation but make sure reliability is done by proper tests. Plus, our cars are in a range of $18K to $26K so who the heck will pay $10k or more to upgrade the SC from W.

e55amgrocket

I just made my donation to PSC since they are asking for donations also and it will go to making it a better website but for some reason my donation went straight to UPD??? Hmmm Brooke thats not very nice to be using your company for all of this that you dont even have?? I wonder what you claim on your taxes for these products you sell...


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Toadster

So yes, you are correct - R&D costs a lot and insurance is high when you have a warranty...

I think everyone that bought one of these - paid a person, not a company - there is no logo, no warranty, nothing - just a part and instructions.

If the box came with a receipt, a logo, a company name, and a warranty - everyone would have 100% something to stand on. But it doesn't, so this argument is all BS.

as for the couple of guys having issues with RTR (not related to this thread but always comes up) there IS actually some verbiage on RTRs website

http://www.redtoothproducts.com/policy.html

Pretty much, if you're buying solely on trust, and don't read the fine print (if it exists) - don't expect much recourse, and trust will be the first thing to break.

blackbenzz

Caught red handed!!!

BenzoDoc

My opinion is unbiased in this case because I am fortunate enough to have seen the facts when I talked to Shardul and Brooke about this ****storm and what their involvement was. I will personally guarantee you that Brooke and Shardul replied all they needed to and offered Steve solutions I would consider going above and beyond. Unfortunately that wasn't satisfactory.

Thus, yeah, it's pretty easy to be unbiased since I know exactly the truth and don't have to sift through the BS. I don't have to have blind faith like everyone else.

You're right though, I would be biased otherwise.

BenzoDoc

Oh **** Steve you and I might be related based on your last name.

AKnight55

The fact seems to be, that these pulleys are related.. They are made by the same person/"company".. All this drama is really making me shy away from the Supercharger pulley..

e55amgrocket

Lets hope not. You also know there side of the story and they arent going to make them selves look bad obviously.

CharlyE500

Same here...... i am looking for 168m or 172m crank pulley instead....... Kleemann or ASP is fine.

AKnight55

Your right, I do have to sift through all of the BS and you clearly have far more insight and info into this matter.. However, now that it seems that Brooke owns UPD/RTR you think he would be doing everything in their power to end all of this bad publicity, right? Deleting Ahmad and Steve from PSC seems to be their way of doing this, seems pretty damn shady to me

emoving

Toad, please go buy that Mazda back!

AKnight55

They dont want him back either.. Thus the reason hes trying so hard to fit in

e55amgrocket

We couldn't get that lucky.

blackbenzz

You just explained why you are indeed biased. You are getting all your info from one side which also happen to be your friends.

02S430

I really wanted this pulley but im worried something will happen to my engine

c32AMG-DTM

This sums it all up nicely.

How tuners/vendors handle adversity is a legitimate barometer from which to gauge their professionalism.

Not how well they fill an order, or setup a group buy, or ship a product on time... sure, those're important too, but they're pretty much a given.