Upgrade to E60
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Upgrade to E60
Anyone have independent confirmation of this rumor about a 500+hp E60? That might possibly spank the new M5, especially given the enormous torque that engine would generate. Will it be imported to the U.S.A.? Inquiring minds want to know.......
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Re: Upgrade to E60
Originally posted by ZZZZMD
Anyone have independent confirmation of this rumor about a 500+hp E60? That might possibly spank the new M5, especially given the enormous torque that engine would generate. Will it be imported to the U.S.A.? Inquiring minds want to know.......
Anyone have independent confirmation of this rumor about a 500+hp E60? That might possibly spank the new M5, especially given the enormous torque that engine would generate. Will it be imported to the U.S.A.? Inquiring minds want to know.......
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The story I got was from hte MBSpy site. It spoke of a 6 liter super charged engine to be released early in 04. MBSpy were quoting some German mags, which I am told are quite reliable, and release semi official info from MB.
But I have not heard anything since that is independent.
But I have not heard anything since that is independent.
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Originally posted by Pbglas
The story I got was from hte MBSpy site. It spoke of a 6 liter super charged engine to be released early in 04. MBSpy were quoting some German mags, which I am told are quite reliable, and release semi official info from MB.
But I have not heard anything since that is independent.
The story I got was from hte MBSpy site. It spoke of a 6 liter super charged engine to be released early in 04. MBSpy were quoting some German mags, which I am told are quite reliable, and release semi official info from MB.
But I have not heard anything since that is independent.
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.....and if there is an E60 or 63 model in '05 and you get that, you'll be a step behind by '07 when they raise the bar again.
The only way you can stay at the leading edge of the wave is to turn over your car every couple years.
The only way you can stay at the leading edge of the wave is to turn over your car every couple years.
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Re: Upgrade to E60
Originally posted by ZZZZMD
Anyone have independent confirmation of this rumor about a 500+hp E60? That might possibly spank the new M5, especially given the enormous torque that engine would generate. Will it be imported to the U.S.A.? Inquiring minds want to know.......
Anyone have independent confirmation of this rumor about a 500+hp E60? That might possibly spank the new M5, especially given the enormous torque that engine would generate. Will it be imported to the U.S.A.? Inquiring minds want to know.......
I bet the new M5 will out-handle any AMG car.
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Re: Re: Upgrade to E60
Originally posted by Kain
Spank the new BMW M5? In what way? Straight line acceleration? Wow, how fun.
I bet the new M5 will out-handle any AMG car.
Spank the new BMW M5? In what way? Straight line acceleration? Wow, how fun.
I bet the new M5 will out-handle any AMG car.
Thanks for the comment.
(FYI: How much track time do you think M5s or E55s ever see?)
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Re: Re: Upgrade to E60
Originally posted by Kain
Spank the new BMW M5? In what way? Straight line acceleration? Wow, how fun.
I bet the new M5 will out-handle any AMG car.
Spank the new BMW M5? In what way? Straight line acceleration? Wow, how fun.
I bet the new M5 will out-handle any AMG car.
Anyway... know any good detailing places in Dubai? There are a lot of places that just seem to wash cars but I want someplace that does a good waxing and interior detail as well.
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Re: Re: Re: Upgrade to E60
Originally posted by FInality
Kain the E60 is the next generation 5 series he was talking about the E39 M5 vs the next gen (E60) M5.
Anyway... know any good detailing places in Dubai? There are a lot of places that just seem to wash cars but I want someplace that does a good waxing and interior detail as well.
Kain the E60 is the next generation 5 series he was talking about the E39 M5 vs the next gen (E60) M5.
Anyway... know any good detailing places in Dubai? There are a lot of places that just seem to wash cars but I want someplace that does a good waxing and interior detail as well.
Secondly, he was refering to the E60 AMG, not the BMW.
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E60, that'd be sweet, but I don't think they'll do it for 2004 or 2005, the supercharged version is too young to be replaced, V10 M5 will not hit the market until late 2004, why change the s/c E55???
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E60, that'd be sweet, but I don't think they'll do it for 2004 or 2005, the supercharged version is too young to be replaced, V10 M5 will not hit the market until late 2004, why change the s/c E55???
As I said in another thread, the MBSpy article talks about early 04. Of course they could be incorrect or the release will be ROW only.
I am guessing hte reason for E60 is to raise the price. It will include the 7 speed too.
As I said in another thread, the MBSpy article talks about early 04. Of course they could be incorrect or the release will be ROW only.
I am guessing hte reason for E60 is to raise the price. It will include the 7 speed too.
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Thanks for the input, people. I was wondering how the new E55 stacks up in the braking/handling/steering department, as well. I currently drive an E39 M5, and test drove an E500, which I found to be somewhat disappointing. 
I have an order in for the E60 m5 (2005), but would happily wait for the ridiculously overpowered MB. 
Will also consider the CL55/60. Even though the SL is the most beautiful of the MB's, IMO, I like the solid feel of the fixed-roof models. 
I have an order in for the E60 m5 (2005), but would happily wait for the ridiculously overpowered MB. Will also consider the CL55/60. Even though the SL is the most beautiful of the MB's, IMO, I like the solid feel of the fixed-roof models.
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Originally posted by pocholin
the supercharged version is too young to be replaced, V10 M5 will not hit the market until late 2004, why change the s/c E55???
the supercharged version is too young to be replaced, V10 M5 will not hit the market until late 2004, why change the s/c E55???
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Originally posted by E55 KEV
The supercharger may be new but the engine is not. This generation of engines came in 1997 and will be replaced in 2004/2005 with direct injection. Whether the next generation engine will be superchared is yet to be seen. The present 3-valve/2 plug engines will be replaced starting in 2004 for perhaps the 2005 models. The 4-valve direct injection engines are coming.
The supercharger may be new but the engine is not. This generation of engines came in 1997 and will be replaced in 2004/2005 with direct injection. Whether the next generation engine will be superchared is yet to be seen. The present 3-valve/2 plug engines will be replaced starting in 2004 for perhaps the 2005 models. The 4-valve direct injection engines are coming.
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I would be suprised if MB did either a mid year change or an early MY '05 release. I realize that anything is possible and hope that when my '04 E55 hits the dealership in late Oct or early Nov that there will be more factual data regarding engine and tranny changes so I can make an informed pay or pass decision on the car. If changes aren't planned 'till fall of '04 for the MY 05's, that's fine by me, I enjoy the '04 for a year or two. 
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This is all very confusing. In traditional Mercedes marketing, they usually wait at least 3-4 yrs before they even do a facelift. As soon as the W211-E55 came out, the talk is that it will keep the 5 spd tranny for at least '04 or even '05. Now this talk about an E60 or an E63?!?!
My guess is that the spy cam pic in the MBSPY website is an E55 wagon version only. I would doubt that they would mothballed the E55 Kompressor after just one year. On the bright side, if they do that, at least the E55 Kompressor will be a one off and its not so bad in terms of collectibility
It is inevitable that there will be an E63 naturally aspirated, I bet my money on an '06 launch. Mercedes just cannot pass up the mystical marketability of the 6.3L engine. In fact I have pre-placed an order for one already, although my dealer have no clue what I am talking about.
My guess is that the spy cam pic in the MBSPY website is an E55 wagon version only. I would doubt that they would mothballed the E55 Kompressor after just one year. On the bright side, if they do that, at least the E55 Kompressor will be a one off and its not so bad in terms of collectibility
It is inevitable that there will be an E63 naturally aspirated, I bet my money on an '06 launch. Mercedes just cannot pass up the mystical marketability of the 6.3L engine. In fact I have pre-placed an order for one already, although my dealer have no clue what I am talking about.
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This is all very confusing. In traditional Mercedes marketing, they usually wait at least 3-4 yrs before they even do a facelift. As soon as the W211-E55 came out, the talk is that it will keep the 5 spd tranny for at least '04 or even '05. Now this talk about an E60 or an E63?!?!
...........you are correct except that there has never been this much competition in the sport sedan segment of the market. I just read last month's issue of Mototrend magazine and it has an article on the upcoming BMW M5. The car has an estimated 0-60mph launch of 3.9 secs. I realize that this is just an estimate, but this is pleasurably insane. MB has no choice but to upgrade the performance of its E55 sooner than it would have liked to. Otherwise, it will not sell too many E55's once the new M5 comes out. Even as it stands now, I know friends of mine who are holding off ordering an E55 because non one really knows what the new M5 will be like and what Mb's response will be. I know you can't really live like that, but ......
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...........you are correct except that there has never been this much competition in the sport sedan segment of the market. I just read last month's issue of Mototrend magazine and it has an article on the upcoming BMW M5. The car has an estimated 0-60mph launch of 3.9 secs. I realize that this is just an estimate, but this is pleasurably insane. MB has no choice but to upgrade the performance of its E55 sooner than it would have liked to. Otherwise, it will not sell too many E55's once the new M5 comes out. Even as it stands now, I know friends of mine who are holding off ordering an E55 because non one really knows what the new M5 will be like and what Mb's response will be. I know you can't really live like that, but ......
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Who cares! The new M5 isn't coming for at least another 2 years. M verions always follow the regular verions, look at the Z3. That's 2 long year of driving pleasure with the E55, sometimes I wish that I went ahead and ordered an 03, thinking that a few months wouldn't matter, but I really wish I was driving one now!
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I just did a search for and re-read 5 or so articles on the E55 from earlier this year, just prior to release, and all writers referred to the car as an '04. Maybe because it wasn't released in the fall of 2002. But it's obvious that MB and AMG were thinking of the 211/E55 as a MY 2004. My E55 brochure that I got this past May says '2004 E55'. What's my point? 
I guess it's that MB/AMG can make a powertrain change anytime and call it an '05!!
I guess it's that MB/AMG can make a powertrain change anytime and call it an '05!!
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check out this for a fairly complete article on AMG engines and transmissions for the future -
http://forums.thecarfanatics.com/ind...?showtopic=352
http://forums.thecarfanatics.com/ind...?showtopic=352
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The 6.3 liter engine sounds like an amazing piece of machinery, but what will MB then put in the Maybach? Also, I'm beginning to think that 600+ bhp is beyond my driving capabilities. That power and torque may also require AWD. Is this where MB and AMG are headed?
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Re: Re: Re: Upgrade to E60
Originally posted by AlpharettaC32
Wow; a battle between a car not yet released and one that is made now entirely of rumor and paper.
Thanks for the comment.
(FYI: How much track time do you think M5s or E55s ever see?)
Wow; a battle between a car not yet released and one that is made now entirely of rumor and paper.
Thanks for the comment.
(FYI: How much track time do you think M5s or E55s ever see?)
M5 is a much better fun car to drive than E55. But my kid hate the M5 and M3 because they get dizzy more easily.
But pure fun, M3 and M5 wins.
