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Old 01-30-2013, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by shardul
from what i have heard about the cost of parts the margin on the kit is good at 800.
you can probably get the mentioned services from a individual who sells them for profit
Now I want to know where they're getting the parts from Last time I checked at cost for just the SC inlet it was 360.00 or so and I know the TB are more then that.
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how many more would buy headers of quality fair price real dyno proof without adding pulley at the same time and at the same af as prior raise your hands lol.
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I agree in practice what you're saying is what's going on, however just because a car costs more you think it should cost more to make a part for it? Don't get me wrong low volume and made in the USA definitely adds to the price, but I think you'll find that doesn't come close to making up the difference to the crazy prices some people are charging for these parts. Eurocharged for instance has 82mm TB kits for sale right now at 1350.00 yet others are selling the exact same thing for 1800-2000. It's the markup on Mercedes parts or Porsche parts or GTR parts that's ridiculous. All that being said, if you can charge it and people will pay for it more power to you!
I totally agree with you that the parts are expensive, but at the same time it's the way of the world. I don't even want to think about how much mods cost for a Ferrari or Lamborghini. In the end you get what you pay for. As a person who has the product and has used the product for quite some time now I am truly glad I did it because it was like getting a new car. The power, the sound, and the movement of the car in traffic is out right insane. I wish I had an opportunity to take advantage of a group buy, but with that being said I am extremely happy with my purchase. Hopefully there a few members here that will take advantage of an opportunity to join in and share the experience at a discounted rate.
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So what I'm gathering from this thread...

TL;DR

Please make a Chinese product for people who just want to say they have long tube headers on their car. REGARDLESS OF PERFORMANCE.

all kidding aside.


Just start a group buy thread I'm sure 5 people will want to pay to play.
Old 01-31-2013, 01:17 PM
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Interesting...not sure which version headers those were or if they made changes, but mine do not rub at all....I also know Serge has a 100% warranty, so I'd just have him send you a new set.
Just curious, but would you mind sending me a few pictures of the headers and the clearance vs frame/heatsheild? You can PM me, doesn't necessarily need to be posted here. Just want to see how they are bent/formed differently than mine.
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Just curious, but would you mind sending me a few pictures of the headers and the clearance vs frame/heatsheild? You can PM me, doesn't necessarily need to be posted here. Just want to see how they are bent/formed differently than mine.

Sure , just PM your email address and I will send a ton of pics...I have to post on here as well, but it is a PITA to resize, etc.
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Just a quick update from me: BenzWorks is sending me a new set of headers to clear up my fitment issues. Will be getting Swain Tech coating on them to help with heat-will post pictures whenever I get them.
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I've had every coating out there to help with heat. The best thing by far is the lava heat wrap. I can do a run in my truck with EGT's in the 2200 degree range and after cooling the turbo for 3 minutes I can touch my down pipe. Not the bet looking or easiest to do but really helps with the heat.
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Originally Posted by johnnyblaze
The upside is the 30-40 wheel horsepower..

But 2.5k for a set of long tube headers is a good deal.. As I said before you should look at the prices for the 63 platform before complaining
Who's complaining? I asked a simple question and yet to see an intelligent response.

Why would I look at 63 headers right now anyways? I have a 55.

You think 2.5 grand for headers is a good deal? Not talking smack.. But, really??

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I've had every coating out there to help with heat. The best thing by far is the lava heat wrap. I can do a run in my truck with EGT's in the 2200 degree range and after cooling the turbo for 3 minutes I can touch my down pipe. Not the bet looking or easiest to do but really helps with the heat.
this stuff? pretty cheap too!

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Originally Posted by uberwag
Just a quick update from me: BenzWorks is sending me a new set of headers to clear up my fitment issues. Will be getting Swain Tech coating on them to help with heat-will post pictures whenever I get them.
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Originally Posted by Max.H
Who's complaining? I asked a simple question and yet to see an intelligent response.

Why would I look at 63 headers right now anyways? I have a 55.

You think 2.5 grand for headers is a good deal? Not talking smack.. But, really??

You really haven't seen prices for long tube headers from other brands have you?
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i'll take a set. Serg please PM me for payment method and shipping. Thank You!
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I was up at Next Level Performance yesterday and Ty was telling me about what I'm sure was your car. What part of Orlando are you from? I'd like to check that brick out, it looks perfect on those graphite Vossens.

Originally Posted by uberwag
Just a quick update from me: BenzWorks is sending me a new set of headers to clear up my fitment issues. Will be getting Swain Tech coating on them to help with heat-will post pictures whenever I get them.
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Originally Posted by johnnyblaze
You really haven't seen prices for long tube headers from other brands have you?
You're wrong. Ive seen them I think they are way overpriced. Long tube headers for common V8s are 800-1200 for the pair. I get the MB long tube headers are not mass produced.

$2,500 for group buy does not sound like a good deal.

Just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by Max.H
You're wrong. Ive seen them I think they are way overpriced. Long tube headers for common V8s are 800-1200 for the pair. I get the MB long tube headers are not mass produced.

$2,500 for group buy does not sound like a good deal.

Just my 2 cents.
It is just the mass produced part that makes the difference. I built headers for my straight 6 for instance. These are probably what most would consider a mid length. Materials cost alone was North of $1,000. This is with running off a set of 5 flanges to get the cost down per. And not going with the most expensive materials possible. Just stainless mandrel bends and slip on collectors. I have done v8 headers also an they price goes up to around 1,500+ in materials depending on length. Now if you want to produce these in a small amount then you have to jig it up to replicate which is time and money. I figure it is about industry standard between 5-8k to build the first set in time and materials. Then you sell say 1-2 sets a month at best. If you have someone sitting down and cutting an sizing pipe and welding it together 2,500 is free. Or you have be huge and by a ton of material and a mandrel bender and size it all and load it into a computer. Then you could have each primary perfectly bent and then fit it into the flange and the collector sitting in a jig and then you could make headers in a couple of hours. Different scale completely.
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Originally Posted by Max.H
You're wrong. Ive seen them I think they are way overpriced. Long tube headers for common V8s are 800-1200 for the pair. I get the MB long tube headers are not mass produced.

$2,500 for group buy does not sound like a good deal.

Just my 2 cents.

Agreed, $2500 is not a good deal at all. I know Mercedes header are expensive by small quantity but $2500 sounds like normal price to me. I rather spend $1000 Kleemann header and $1500 on something else. SC pulley $500, TCU tune $500, injectors $500 However, I am down for $2500 to $2800 for Coil-over conversion !
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$2500 isn't a deal to me either. I was quoted $2500-$2700 to make the headers for my car and they will be far from normal with steps and a much different collector.
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Agreed, $2500 is not a good deal at all. I know Mercedes header are expensive by small quantity but $2500 sounds like normal price to me. I rather spend $1000 Kleemann header and $1500 on something else. SC pulley $500, TCU tune $500, injectors $500 However, I am down for $2500 to $2800 for Coil-over conversion !
You getting some coil Charley
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Yea man..... I am not crazy about the power right now... thinking more about the handling. Plus, who knows when the airmatic suspension will die on me. Mine is 06, they will all fail soon or later and I plan to keep it for other 4 to 5 years at least so the airmatic got to go.
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Originally Posted by e55amgrocket
$2500 isn't a deal to me either. I was quoted $2500-$2700 to make the headers for my car and they will be far from normal with steps and a much different collector.
Exactly, My friend was quoted $2,500 for his e55, by a well known header fabricator. Which included installation, precise collector, steps, v band clamps and some other tricks. Not a put together of random shelf parts and tubes. But, a header that is actually tuned for the engine and desired rpm range.

Charlye500, That sounds more ideal.

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I believe this thread should be a group buy thread...

We should all go complain about prices in another thread...
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Originally Posted by johnnyblaze
I believe this thread should be a group buy thread...

We should all go complain about prices in another thread...
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