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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 07:48 PM
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I don't understand. You said you know they are different. Please enlighten us with your vast knowledge. Are they different because of the part numbers stamped on them?

And since you want to keep going off topic. How many failed pulleys have you sold and how many have you paid to repair the damages on???
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
I don't understand. You said you know they are different. Please enlighten us with your vast knowledge. Are they different because of the part numbers stamped on them?
Good & important point Ahmad,

Some of the stamps #s, are related to the factory production line of the product it self, even if we got a different #s,

this is NOT mean we have a different parts....!!

I believe all M113 has the same identical basic Block,

maybe the difference between them is brackets or something can be made in the M113 block, that can be capable

fitment to the M113K....!!

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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 07:51 PM
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Yes sir, I will send you a PM, latest by tomorrow, with all the part numbers.
PM received. Thanks for the help!
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 07:54 PM
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So the cylinder crankcase from M113 NA can be bolted to M113K engine? I am asking this because I was planning to get a M113 NA block ”dust cheap” and beef it up with forged internals and bolt it in M113K motor.
I want to wait until Shardul posts the difference he's so certain about and posted publicly before I tell you the truth. I can picture him frantically searching google and part number right now But I think based on my previous post you can get your answer.
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Good & important point Ahmad,

Some of the stamps #s, are related to the factory production line of the product it self, even if we got a different #s,

this is NOT mean we have a different parts....!!

I believe all M113 has the same identical basic Block,

maybe the difference between them is brackets or something can be made in the M113 block, that can be capable

fitment to the M113K....!!

ZAYED,,
Exactly Zayed
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by shardul
How much do you get in kick backs from MIR for setting / advertising track rental on all forums
I don't do track rentals for money. We all know what you're here for
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PM received. Thanks for the help!
So what's the difference?
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:00 PM
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I can picture Ahmad just sitting in front of the computer waiting anxiously for my reply.
I have help to OP that is all that matters
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by shardul
I can picture Ahmad just sitting in front of the computer waiting anxiously for my reply.
I have help to OP that is all that matters
There is this new device called a cell phone. Some of which even have internet access and can receive emails when you're subscribed to a thread. Pretty cool huh? Are you actually sitting behind a computer waiting for my responses?? And this is pretty fun for me

So what's the difference?
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:07 PM
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Exactly Zayed
Thankss for confirmation...

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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:16 PM
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:35 PM
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Oil squirters to start would probably not be found in the NA m113.

Whats the big secret about the differences that need to said privately?
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:36 PM
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I don't know if this helps, this is the block that comes in the supercharged cars. It's definitely a different block, but I don't know what's different.

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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Max.H
Oil squirters to start would probably not be found in the NA m113.

Whats the big secret about the differences that need to said privately?
Initially I thought the same thing about the oil squirters but when I had my CLK55 engine apart it did indeed have oil squirters

Exactly, why so secretive?
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I don't know if this helps, this is the block that comes in the supercharged cars. It's definitely a different block, but I don't know what's different.
Anything bolted to a 55k block can be bolted to a NA 55 block. Heads, timing cover, trans, oil pan, etc etc. I've done it. There may be differences but it won't prevent you from interchanging parts. I should have kept my old blocks. Your part number doesn't match what was posted for the 55k. You must have a knockoff version lol jk

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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:47 PM
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wow this thread has gone way off topic.
A pissing contest at its finest. For once there isnt a pig or moose involved.
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 09:03 PM
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 11:56 PM
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No big secret was given here privately! Shardul has confirmed the part numbers for the blocks as he promised in his early post, in addition he explained the differences between the two blocks lays in the material and coating of the sleeves beside the squirters.
Now the question is, can the NA Block “Just the block” with M113K internals bolted to M113K motor, handle the boost of the blower? Maybe, Blackbenzz has the answer, since he interchanged parts between the two motors.
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by superstar
No big secret was given here privately! Shardul has confirmed the part numbers for the blocks as he promised in his early post, in addition he explained the differences between the two blocks lays in the material and coating of the sleeves beside the squirters.
Now the question is, can the NA Block “Just the block” with M113K internals bolted to M113K motor, handle the boost of the blower? Maybe, Blackbenzz has the answer, since he interchanged parts between the two motors.
Different Material???? And They Both Have Aluminum Blocks, Alusil Cylinder Walls, And Squirters. Great Source Of Information He Is. Did You Notice The 55K Part Number On The Block Pictured Does Not Match? His Block Must Be Different Too Huh?

Yes. I'm Running A Weistec SC On Stock Na Motor. 55K Rods And Pistons Fit In Na Block. Its Been Done Several Times.

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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 01:30 AM
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The N/A M113 & M113K sharing the same pistons standard size which is (97.25mm), with maybe different coat,

i hope im not wrong....?!?!

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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 02:21 AM
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I too was impressed to learn that the NA M113 had oil squirters just like it's bigger brother the 55K. Just goes to show how much abuse the 55 NA was built to take!

The following is AMG's description of their NA M113 creation.

To reach such high-performance characteristics, the high-displacement, lightweight V8 unit, which only weights around 368 lb, features several inventions from racing sports. Thus, the engine is equipped with racing-type forged aluminum pistons for better compression of the air-gasoline mix in the combustion chamber. To always ensure optimum cylinder charging and thus an optimal combustion, an established feature from motor sports, a variable intake manifold, as well as a twin-tract intake system was installed in the engine. Since all these measures led to higher motor temperatures, the cooling of the engine and especially the pistons was redesigned as well. The specially developed oil spray nozzles reliably cool the pistons, even under extreme conditions and full load. In the end, the technicians at Mercedes-AMG increased the engine's performance enormously, contributing to the dynamics and driving pleasure of the four high-end Mercedes-Benz models.
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I know the crank shaft is different, just don't know how it differs.
I assume the profile is different but I'm just guessing.

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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 09:49 AM
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Yes. I'm Running A Weistec SC On Stock Na Motor. 55K Rods And Pistons Fit In Na Block. Its Been Done Several Times.
That’s great!
Did you sleeve the motor? I would sleeve it , if I was running high boost .
It is always interesting to see how much these engines can take with stock internals before they start to give up.
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 10:29 AM
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I've got nothing really to contribute besides that I'm in the manufacturing business of machining parts. We have parts that we make which have different part numbers for later assembly while all machining is exactly the same. A prime example that jumps in my head is an oil pump for a jet engine which everything is identical except one o ring in assembly but it is two entirely different part numbers from the start.
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