Supercharger Oil Consumption
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Supercharger Oil Consumption
Just changed the S/C oil at 63,000 miles.
Interesting observation: It required almost three times the amount of new oil than the amount drained. I know these units are sealed, but is it possible small amounts of oil are consumed over time?
The old oil smelled pretty bad (as has been noted in other posts) and the new oil (Mobil Jet) had a normal order of synthetic oil. I have had jet turbine aircraft which use the same oil. I do not recall the used turbine oil smelling so bad. I didn't think of it at the time, but I should have sent a sample off to be analysed. Perhaps a forum member can do that in the future. I would be interested to see the results, especially pertaining to the condition of the oil.
Interesting observation: It required almost three times the amount of new oil than the amount drained. I know these units are sealed, but is it possible small amounts of oil are consumed over time?
The old oil smelled pretty bad (as has been noted in other posts) and the new oil (Mobil Jet) had a normal order of synthetic oil. I have had jet turbine aircraft which use the same oil. I do not recall the used turbine oil smelling so bad. I didn't think of it at the time, but I should have sent a sample off to be analysed. Perhaps a forum member can do that in the future. I would be interested to see the results, especially pertaining to the condition of the oil.
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Therefore, getting back to my original question; do these blowers consume oil over time? It would seem to me that they do, or at least mine does. My oil level would appear to have been down about 50% as I could not extract more than 3 syringes of oil.
Any additional thoughts on this?
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Mine was low as well and it must evaporate out or just slow leak .
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Again, I really wish I had sent a sample to the lab for analysis. Hopefully, one of the forum members will eventually do so.
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Something does not make sense and the oil does not evaporate, for it evaporate would require that it boils and an internal combustion engine would melt long before the boiling point of oil is ever reached. The only way it would require continual re-fills would be via a leak.
The factory capacity is exactly 125ml which I verified a few weekends ago.
The factory capacity is exactly 125ml which I verified a few weekends ago.
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The IHI SC of the 55k-engines need 150ml of Mobil Jet ooil II.
It is impossible to evacuate all of the oil without stripping the SC!
Mobil JO II is a turbine oil to work up to 240°C. I our cars it will only be exposed to abou 100°C. So there will be no measurable oil consumption.
If you change the SC oil, just fill up as much as you took out.
It is impossible to evacuate all of the oil without stripping the SC!
Mobil JO II is a turbine oil to work up to 240°C. I our cars it will only be exposed to abou 100°C. So there will be no measurable oil consumption.
If you change the SC oil, just fill up as much as you took out.
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This is correct. Mobil Jet Oil II or 254 and for the M113K 150 ml.
Oil with part number 000 989 62 01 is used for Eaton type supercharger found on M271 engines. The reason for Mercedes service to give this oil when asked about supercharger oil is that this is the only oil they have listed as supercharger oil.
IHI twinscrew superchargers don't need supercharger oil change (according to Mercedes). If oil has to been added then the supercharger is threated as a faulty unit.
Despite the Mercedes recommendation SC oil can be changed. Or do you think there is an oil that keeps its lubricating qualities for a lifetime?
Oil with part number 000 989 62 01 is used for Eaton type supercharger found on M271 engines. The reason for Mercedes service to give this oil when asked about supercharger oil is that this is the only oil they have listed as supercharger oil.
IHI twinscrew superchargers don't need supercharger oil change (according to Mercedes). If oil has to been added then the supercharger is threated as a faulty unit.
Despite the Mercedes recommendation SC oil can be changed. Or do you think there is an oil that keeps its lubricating qualities for a lifetime?
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Something does not make sense and the oil does not evaporate, for it evaporate would require that it boils and an internal combustion engine would melt long before the boiling point of oil is ever reached. The only way it would require continual re-fills would be via a leak.
The factory capacity is exactly 125ml which I verified a few weekends ago.
The factory capacity is exactly 125ml which I verified a few weekends ago.
Mobil Jet Oil has an evaporation loss of of 3% in 6.5 hr @ 204ºC, 29.5" Hg (sea level). So, we know the blowers operate below 204ºC, but over a 7-9 year period, I do not think it unreasonable that there will be loss due to evaporation at our lower operating temps.
This stuff is a pretty exotic blend with new oil having a fresh scent and you know what the used stuff smells like (YUK!). I believe that to be significant.
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Well, I had a pleasure of open an sc up once. Iirc, there are two holes/tubes that run along the sc body. The holes/tubes run from the sc nose back to the sc inlet. May be some of the oil escape thru the holes/tubes?
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The smell is ugly because of the bimstone/sulfur (don't know with word is right).
This oil has a lot of antioxidants. Over about 10 years you loose about 10% of them.
Additionally you have a special filter in the clutch to condense the hot oil.
And our S/C gear works in about 100°C peak(!!!), not 200°C!
So I'm not worried to have a lifetime filling.
This oil has a lot of antioxidants. Over about 10 years you loose about 10% of them.
Additionally you have a special filter in the clutch to condense the hot oil.
And our S/C gear works in about 100°C peak(!!!), not 200°C!
So I'm not worried to have a lifetime filling.
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The smell is ugly because of the bimstone/sulfur (don't know with word is right).
This oil has a lot of antioxidants. Over about 10 years you loose about 10% of them.
Additionally you have a special filter in the clutch to condense the hot oil.
And our S/C gear works in about 100°C peak(!!!), not 200°C!
So I'm not worried to have a lifetime filling.
This oil has a lot of antioxidants. Over about 10 years you loose about 10% of them.
Additionally you have a special filter in the clutch to condense the hot oil.
And our S/C gear works in about 100°C peak(!!!), not 200°C!
So I'm not worried to have a lifetime filling.
So, are you still not worried about having a lifetime filling?
Back to not questioning authority, that resulted in terrible times for the entire world about 75 years ago. If it's a red light and there is no car in sight do you wait for the green light to cross the street?
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