I just might be jumping ship!
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2011 CTSV auto, 06 E55 white pano, 87 Grand national, 63 split window
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2006 E55
I've driven a few 09+ CTS-Vs.
The car doesn't have the violent/raw thrust like the E55s, but it is a tick faster, stock for stock. I actually think the interior looks great, on par or even slightly better than the E55.
All in all, you can't go wrong:
1) Better straight line performance
2) Better handling
3) Likely will have factory warranty remaining (modded or stock?)
4) Overall, just a newer car with new technology in it
The car doesn't have the violent/raw thrust like the E55s, but it is a tick faster, stock for stock. I actually think the interior looks great, on par or even slightly better than the E55.
All in all, you can't go wrong:
1) Better straight line performance
2) Better handling
3) Likely will have factory warranty remaining (modded or stock?)
4) Overall, just a newer car with new technology in it
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60nomad: I'm not sure why no one replied, but it might be because like on hear many of the basic modding questions have been discussed countless times and they figure a basic search on the threads would give you the answer. I don't know. The CTSv forum is a great forum and there is wealth of knowledge on there. There are also some great vendors and independent speed shops that take the time and answer questions and offer deals on service and parts. I mostly hang out on there now, but I still come over hear because I like to read/hear about other cars from time to time. AMG is much more established than Caddy V and has a ton more vehicle offerings to read/converse about. Caddy basically just have one that people care about and that is the current V. Soon Caddy will bring out the V3 and there will be more of a following. GM has a good thing going with the V series and they offer the AMG experience for far less money and modding cost. That's why I bought the V. I was tired of getting raped for simple mods on the AMG. The same mods on the V is equal to a weekend splurge with the fellas or the old lady.
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As incredible as it sounds...I would love a white one and they are very hard to find in a 4 door. I called my friend 10 minutes ago and he is a wholesaler and actually put a bid on one yesterday and is waiting for a reply today to see if he won the bid. He is currently trying to pull some strings to get the car for me.
The -V sedan in pearl white is the exact one I would have. Something about it just looks.... So wrong and yet - so right.
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As incredible as it sounds...I would love a white one and they are very hard to find in a 4 door. I called my friend 10 minutes ago and he is a wholesaler and actually put a bid on one yesterday and is waiting for a reply today to see if he won the bid. He is currently trying to pull some strings to get the car for me.
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As you can see PetroC63 V pretty much equals a tuned 2012-11 biturbo E63/CLS63 with only $4000.00 invested.
2012 CTS-V - MSRP: $63,215.00 | 2012 E63 - MSRP: $88,900.00
PetroC63 Stage 1 mods: $4000.00 | ReNNtech ECU Tune: $3,495.00
American Racing Headers $1000.00 | ReNNtech Down Piper w/cats: $2,940.00
Headers Labor (Approx): $600.00 | Down pipe Labor (Approx): $600.00
Total:
New CTS-V - $68,815.00
New E63 - $95,935.00
PetroC63 - $67,215 (minus the headers + labor)
Used CTS-V (say 45K + all parts & labor ($5600) - $50,600.00
Used E63 (say 73k+ all parts & labor ($7035) - $80,035.00
The math is pretty clear. The biturbo's are awesome machines, but the price for entry is outrageous.
2012 CTS-V - MSRP: $63,215.00 | 2012 E63 - MSRP: $88,900.00
PetroC63 Stage 1 mods: $4000.00 | ReNNtech ECU Tune: $3,495.00
American Racing Headers $1000.00 | ReNNtech Down Piper w/cats: $2,940.00
Headers Labor (Approx): $600.00 | Down pipe Labor (Approx): $600.00
Total:
New CTS-V - $68,815.00
New E63 - $95,935.00
PetroC63 - $67,215 (minus the headers + labor)
Used CTS-V (say 45K + all parts & labor ($5600) - $50,600.00
Used E63 (say 73k+ all parts & labor ($7035) - $80,035.00
The math is pretty clear. The biturbo's are awesome machines, but the price for entry is outrageous.
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very fast but I wouldnt say quiet equal. that V had drag radials and here is a tuned e63 on street tires that trap 2mph more !
when u buy the AMG ur paying for the prestigious symbol first and for way higher quality leather, wood etc etc, thats were the extra money comes into play. Dont have a V but a 2010 escalade EXT and the leather is cracking like crazy so is the dash board. ive said it before the build quality just doesnt stand the test of time in the interior anyway. now motor is a whole different story, their rock soild ! IM not bias either (maybe a little 
) almost pulled the trigger on a v because unlike some ppl on this board I think the V looks bad a$$
) almost pulled the trigger on a v because unlike some ppl on this board I think the V looks bad a$$
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I stand corrected. A stage 1 V is very close to a tune only E63 rwd version. An upper/lower V is equal if not a little faster than a tune only E63. I will also agree that you are paying a premium just because the car adorns a silver star, but I don't think the interior is nearly 30k better than a cts-v. The V interior is better than an Escalade and is quite good. Not E/CLS good, but not hugely behind.
In terms of prestige, well a Benz is a Benz. There aren't many premium cars that have a Better rep, but surprisingly Caddy reputation has greatly improved and has a huge following. Especially from my older friends, relatives, and admirers lol.
In terms of prestige, well a Benz is a Benz. There aren't many premium cars that have a Better rep, but surprisingly Caddy reputation has greatly improved and has a huge following. Especially from my older friends, relatives, and admirers lol.
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No one knows for absolute certainty, but the rumors I found on the net lean towards the next V continuing on with the positive displacement blower. This time the new LSx engine will be direct injected and will produce similar power as the M157 and new M5. The 3.6TT is rated at 420hp/430tq and will become Caddilac's mid tier engine to do battle against Mercedes E550 and BMW 550i. It will likely be fast but underpowered against the competition, but at least you can buy a caddy with some power without going full V. Also, that same motor will power the upcoming ATS-V.
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Please show pics of your 2010 Escalade's cracking dashboard .
very fast but I wouldnt say quiet equal. that V had drag radials and here is a tuned e63 on street tires that trap 2mph more !
RENNtech Mercedes E63 vs RENNtech CLS63 AMG BiTurbo - Drag Video - 11.09 @ 129 mph Street Car Drags - YouTube
when u buy the AMG ur paying for the prestigious symbol first and for way higher quality leather, wood etc etc, thats were the extra money comes into play. Dont have a V but a 2010 escalade EXT and the leather is cracking like crazy so is the dash board. ive said it before the build quality just doesnt stand the test of time in the interior anyway. now motor is a whole different story, their rock soild ! IM not bias either (maybe a little ) almost pulled the trigger on a v because unlike some ppl on this board I think the V looks bad a$$
RENNtech Mercedes E63 vs RENNtech CLS63 AMG BiTurbo - Drag Video - 11.09 @ 129 mph Street Car Drags - YouTube
when u buy the AMG ur paying for the prestigious symbol first and for way higher quality leather, wood etc etc, thats were the extra money comes into play. Dont have a V but a 2010 escalade EXT and the leather is cracking like crazy so is the dash board. ive said it before the build quality just doesnt stand the test of time in the interior anyway. now motor is a whole different story, their rock soild ! IM not bias either (maybe a little
) almost pulled the trigger on a v because unlike some ppl on this board I think the V looks bad a$$
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Itll be the first time I saw that happen on a newer car like that. I used to be around a lot of those when they came out and I got the impression that the interior was very well designed and constructed, and down here where I am usually gets the first of that kind of environmental fatigue because the UV is horrendous! Just a snapshot for the mental notes
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There were some CTSV's running with me in the 1/2 mile last year. Most of them were trapping 135-137. My car with only a tune was running 137's.
I can understand the attraction of cheap mods to make a V fast, but don't know that it is worth selling a W211 E55 and adding $20k+ just to get into a V.
Why not just wait until Weistec and Speedriven sort out their SC upgrade and you should have a bulletproof E55 running mid to low 10's (maybe even high 9's) for no more than $10-$15k.
The only thing I really hate about my E55s that it does not have a 6 speed manual!
I can understand the attraction of cheap mods to make a V fast, but don't know that it is worth selling a W211 E55 and adding $20k+ just to get into a V.
Why not just wait until Weistec and Speedriven sort out their SC upgrade and you should have a bulletproof E55 running mid to low 10's (maybe even high 9's) for no more than $10-$15k.
The only thing I really hate about my E55s that it does not have a 6 speed manual!
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Wait a minute. Your car ran 137mph with a "tune" only? If so, that is extremelly impressive! You don't need to add snywhere near 20k to have a fast V. If 20k is invested properly in a V the car will be in the mid 9s on drags. About 4-8 is all you need to be super fast and trap mid 130s in the 1/4 mile.
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I agree with you a supercharger upgrade on a E55 will be pretty nasty. You can't go wrong either way. An E55 will always garner respect and/or fear from car enthusiast in the same fashion that the old Buick GNX does. Instant respect.
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Wait a minute. Your car ran 137mph with a "tune" only? If so, that is extremelly impressive! You don't need to add snywhere near 20k to have a fast V. If 20k is invested properly in a V the car will be in the mid 9s on drags. About 4-8 is all you need to be super fast and trap mid 130s in the 1/4 mile.
Here are my runs:
2005 Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (S/C) 134.77 137.04 136.91 136.55 135.75 134.54
What I was saying is that you need to add @$20k on top of what you can get for your E55 just to get into a stock V. Then you need to spend additional money for mods to the V.
Is it really worth spending $20k on top of what you sell your E55 for to get into a stock V when you can spend $15k or less on a Speedriven or Weistec SC upgrade for your E55 to put you into the high 9's or low 10's?
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Okay, I gotcha. That is totally true. You can't go wrong either way. Some people just want something newer and different but comparible in terms of power. Going the Speeddriven or Weistec route is def a viable option and totally make sense if you own the car outright. Going the V route w/mods may be a little more money, but the power gains are proven reliable time and time again by a plethora of owners. The E55k engine in can be a little finicky when extra boost is added. Some have great success and others do not despite all the supporting mods and a supposedly good tune. I love what these companies are doing, but I would need to see a several 55k last at leadt 15k miles before I spend that kind of money. The other thing is there are way more aftermarket support and GREAT LSX tuning and speed shops in the U.S.
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I really appreciate all of your responses and all have great points. My friends bid on the white V was short so there goes that one! lol
I understand fully about the statement of $20k more and then $4k to mod but the point is that when I am done with the V it will still have a value of let's say $33k or so, on a low end after a year or two (I do not put many miles on cars). If I mod my car then it is worth the same money after I put $10k into it and after hearing all of the horror stories about many of these mod guys...I just can't take it. Who do you trust to do it right near me? Also, my car has 83k mi on it so who knows what might go wrong after a few more mods. Anyway, modding the V is simple and there is still warranty, I know a few caddy dealers and they will warranty it.
If I am not making sense then I will clear it up in the morning...very tired now as I just walked in the door. Thanks again all!
I understand fully about the statement of $20k more and then $4k to mod but the point is that when I am done with the V it will still have a value of let's say $33k or so, on a low end after a year or two (I do not put many miles on cars). If I mod my car then it is worth the same money after I put $10k into it and after hearing all of the horror stories about many of these mod guys...I just can't take it. Who do you trust to do it right near me? Also, my car has 83k mi on it so who knows what might go wrong after a few more mods. Anyway, modding the V is simple and there is still warranty, I know a few caddy dealers and they will warranty it.
If I am not making sense then I will clear it up in the morning...very tired now as I just walked in the door. Thanks again all!
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You make total sense and your rationale is on point. Let me know if I can help and I will do what I can in terms of keeping a look out on the classifieds for reasonably low mileage White Vs on the site. Now I think about it there is a guy down where I work who drives a white V. I never met the guy, but it looks clean.
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If money is not in the equation surely CTS-V is a better car overall is newer.
E55 is about $20K today and CTS-V $40K the price tag still double.......
E55 is about $20K today and CTS-V $40K the price tag still double.......
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40k can get you a 2009, but you will need to spend more for 10-14 model year Vs.
Note:
Only sedans were produced in 09-10
The coupes appeared in 11
The wagons came in 12 (I'm not 100% sure about this one)
There are plethora of special trims and color options offered over the years especially from 2011 on.
Note:
Only sedans were produced in 09-10
The coupes appeared in 11
The wagons came in 12 (I'm not 100% sure about this one)
There are plethora of special trims and color options offered over the years especially from 2011 on.
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Clean carfax...no paint work...hopefully it is mint but I am guessing that it is.
