AMGSC

Narrowed my choices this fall to the following three makes/models.

RS7 - With every option $121,500 (560hp) next year +0
E63/CLS63 - With every option $121,500 (550hp) next year +27hp + 4matic
M5 - With every option $108,250 (560hp) next year +15hp

I am leaning on the RS7 for it's freshness, limited production numbers, higher Audi resale value, fuel efficiency, interior and all wheel drive.

I already read and watched a few reviews on online. I test drove the M5 and the CLS63 PP.

Which do you prefer and why?

AMGPilot

Higher audi resale value? LOL no not really, Audi's are nice as long as they are in warranty

AMGSC

If you look on Autotrader, the RS4s are still selling well above the C55s and even the M3s. Even after considering the RS4 are 2007 compared to 2006 C55s and M3s. The C55 resale value has dropped the most.

viren.89

damn! that RS7 looks so dope from the front *drool*

I was on Audi. ca and I can't see the "R" models only R8 no "RS" or only "S"

Are they only available in certain markets ?

AMGSC

I went to Carsdirect.com and requested quotes from local dealers as well the site itself.

westu93

I was gonna get a S7 fully load, but they go for around 90k+. I think it looks to "regular" of a car for that kind of price. Cant imagine how much more the RS7 is gonna cost.

E55Dimon

I'd do the M5, Cls 2nd. E63 when it's out with the 3.2 awd..
Cls interior is super and the car has a presense on the road.
Life's tough choices..

SterlingE55

RS7, CLS63 on presence alone. But you can't go wrong with any of those cars. You could even consider a uses panamera turbo for those prices.

Tremek

All amazing cars that you're comparing and if it were me I would be putting the last year of the 2nd gen CTS-V in that mix. At low 60s to 75k full tilt on options and/or MSRP it will hang with or beat those cars in different areas, and the potential to make more power with the -V (if you're into that) is unbeatable. $5k into any '09+ -V will have it faster in all straight line performance aspects other than 0-60 versus the AWD cars above, and $10k has it beating all those super sedans by a wide margin. Just food for thought.

AMGSC

The M5s are a steal right now with over $5K off MSRP. Both the RS7 (obviously) and the CLS are selling at MSRP on Carsdirect.com

That has to do with the fact that the 2014 M5s just went into production in July and will have a few updates such a competition pkg that adds 15hp, sports exhaust, refined steering, revised steering wheel, suspension, front grill, LEDs, etc...

emoving

This made me spit coffee and laugh out loud as well!!!!!!! My RS4 did not hold value what makes you think an RS7 will!!

djrabbi

I don't think Audi's TQ level will be up there with BMW/Benz.... CLS63 ftw!

HeissRod

I'd rather get a used Panamera Turbo

Hotsoss

I agree. The S7 is a fine looking vehicle, but it does not stand out from other S models. In fact while commuting to work yesterday morning I rode upon an S7 on the expressway. From a distance I thought it was an ordinary S4. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it was a S7, but it did not stand out that much from from any other A7. No one will mistake a RS7 for a regular S7 with that killer front end treatment.

Here is my list:
1. E63 4matic - it will be the faster car out of that group and a tune will turn this car into a mid 10s car in the 1/4 with street tires. I also love the new front end treatment.
2.CLS634matic - same reasons above. I just like the E better as it is more practical and probably lighter.
3. RS7 - I love this car, but I put the AMGs ahead of it because I doubt this engine will respond as much with a simple ECU tune. The interior is amazing as well. I also think this car will by far be the least popular out of the 4 making it stand out even more.
4. M5 - I like the M5 a lot, but I do not like it more than the other cars on this list. If it was my choice I would get the M6 Grandsport sedan or whatever it's called. That car looks great!

viren.89

Howcome no one talks about Porsche Panamera Turbo or Jaguar XFR ? I mean they aren't that bad.

I'd reckon Jaguar would be cheap to mod too eh ?

Hotsoss

Maybe it's because the Panamera is a little long in the tooth now and besides it's 0-60 time it is a little slower than all the new models that just came out.

The Jag is a fine vehicle but it is the poorest performing vehicle of all the newer hi-po luxury midsize sports sedans. Also, the Jag don't have nearly the same aftermarket support at least in the U.S. as AMG, M, RS, and V. It probably is not cheap to mod either.

viren.89

Slower ? Turbo S 550 hp and Turbo is 500 hp and are also AWD , wouldn't they be in similar power band as the aforementioned cars ?

lol I saw top gear episode in which Jeremy review XFR and was pretty impressed by it lol

Only thing is that Turbo S is close to 200K with options and that's almost double lol

Tremek

Panamera was just refreshed and the '14s are considered 2nd gen cars and are reviewing well. They're going to be more expensive than $120k though.

Agreed with Hotsoss on the XFR - it's a great car but the softest of any we're discussing here. A good friend has a '10 and it's fast but not as fast as the rest of the class here. Other buddy's -V walks on it with minimal mods, and unfortunately the XFR's powerplant is dark arts and not well understood or supported by the enthusiast community - said friend is having a hard time even finding someone that will tune it, much less performance parts like intakes, exhaust, etc.

Edit: still rooting for OP to consider a -V, there just isn't better bang for the buck.

Rafiki

Jaguar really , what a freaking joke of a car, , if you like poor resale, terrible transmission and getting spanked by other Hi-performance luxury cars then go for it

Tremek

I would call that more than a bit harsh - I know my buddy has spanked AMG 63s with his, and it drives very well. Frankly they're still faster than 99% of what's on the road. It's just the underdog due to lack of aftermarket.

Rafiki

Would you buy one ??

Rafiki

Back to OPs thread, RS7 kinda looks a lot like the rest of the Audi line up, same grill different car , performance wise it's a monster, your best bet probably will be the 63s or the M5 can't go wrong with either, more aftermarket goodies and more menacing looks , but at the end of day, test drive all three and pick your heart desire,

TMC M5

I don't love the RS7's lines. I wish Audi was going to bring the RS6 here and also make it available in a sedan. The fact that the 8 speed auto is being used instead of the s6/7's DCT is also a major negative (IMHO). I was contemplating the E63 S 4Matic but was disappointed in the looks department. Some of its "Mercedes-ness" seems to have been lost with the new nose. I actually prefer the looks of the CLS63, but the additional price tag puts it at a disadvantage. But that is just my opinion.

That is why I grabbed an F10 M5 at a decent discount and haven't looked back. I love the free-reving nature and always available torque of the 4.4L V8TT, the looks (not quite as handsome as my old E39 M5), the luxury features (on par with my old CL65) and an incredible DCT tranny (much better than my old GT-R's). I ran it last Friday night at the track (2,032' DA). It ran 11.835 @ 120.87 mph WITHOUT Launch Control (long story), stock Michelins (didn't play with the psi at all), 5/8 tank of gas and my 240lbs butt in the driver's seat. I do have Supersprint axle-back Race mufflers and K&N drop-in filters. I honestly think there is an 11.5X in this car with a good LC start.

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-25676.html

For some reason they timeslip scan is not being shown on dragtimes...hmmm

Hotsoss

I just looked up the 2014 Panamera turbo S and it is faster than I thought at 11.6 @ 120mph, with that being said for the money it is probably no faster than the RS7 that is getting the same motor as the underrated S8 with less weight. The E63 4matic will probably run 11.3 at like 125mph stock and the updated M5 with more power will probably run 11.7 at like 122-23 stock. So the turbo S is certainly no slouch is very quick, but the price point is aimed at the AMG 65s and Bentley



I agree



I think Audi would’ve used S6 and S7’s DCT quick shift transmission but I don’t think the transmission is durable enough as currently constructed to handle the additional torque long term. With that being said, I would be hesitant to procure a S6 or S7 because I would be afraid that the transmission might not “safely” be able to handle the additional power that a ECU tune would bring.

AZBENZ-CTSV

huh??? 3.7 0-60
long in the tooth? the car came out in 2010.
will beat all the other mentioned cars off the line and has the best road presence.
if you're gonna spend 90-105k on a car and worried about resale the 2010 or 2011 panamera turbo is the best option.