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Hiccup /p0102 and AFR

Old Feb 8, 2014 | 04:38 PM
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what Dennis said ^ BTW he figured this out lol i just noticed i took credit in my post... he just told me about it lol
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 12:16 PM
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I am going to install the BIP, hopefully, monday night and report back Tuesday night.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 02:47 PM
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You'll have to do about 50 miles or so after loading a new tune before it will do the hiccup. Got my hopes up too many times that way.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Denroll
You'll have to do about 50 miles or so after loading a new tune before it will do the hiccup. Got my hopes up too many times that way.
Mine would do the same with a new tune, almost like the adaptations are causing the issue??? I just either nail it up the hill or use cruise control and no hiccup for me. I almost never get it anymore because I adapted my driving style.
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 02:09 PM
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Update: BIP sent me the new tune. But, I was not able to download it. BIP uses the Galletto ECU Flasher 1260 Software to flash/dowload the tune to your ECU. You have to first download that specific flasher software to your laptop (and the laptop needs operate on Windows XP or Vista program) and use that specific Flasher (OBD cord) to flash/downlad BIP's tune to your ECU. If you do not use that specific Flasher (OBD cord), then you will get this error: "Writing Initilizationchanging speed error Seed key... errore SK1". I just ordered that Flasher/OBD cord and once I get it and use it to install the BIP tune I will then further update.
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Old Feb 14, 2014 | 07:44 PM
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yes please keep us updated.
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Old Feb 16, 2014 | 11:34 AM
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yes please keep us updated.
Update: I am still awaiting delivery of the needed Galleto ECU Flasher 1260 (OBD cord). I paid $20 for it to be overnighted on feb 11 and still have not gotten it. I can not reach anyone from the website that I ordered it from. It turns out it is a Hong Kong company......the wait continues.
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Denroll
You'll have to do about 50 miles or so after loading a new tune before it will do the hiccup. Got my hopes up too many times that way.
The reason the tune changes after 50-70 miles, is that we need our "long term fuel trims " turned off or set to 0. The car only needs short term trims to make quick changes. So even after you tune or custom dyno tune, the LTFT will keep adjusting the AFR, so you may end up leaner or richer after 70 miles than at the time fo the tune.

Few basic parameters that are adjusted in most injector scale tunes. battery voltage latency is an important change to look at , when going with larger injectors. even voltage drops can change AFR and the ECU needs to ahev the right parameters set to cover our daily voltage changes.
"Injector slopes, breakpoints and "battery voltage latency adjustment" to cover the behavior of injectors. Slopes represent the flow of the injector at high and low pulsewidths. Breakpoints determine the pulsewidth required to switch from the low slop to the high slope. "
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
The reason the tune changes after 50-70 miles, is that we need our "long term fuel trims " turned off or set to 0. The car only needs short term trims to make quick changes. So even after you tune or custom dyno tune, the LTFT will keep adjusting the AFR, so you may end up leaner or richer after 70 miles than at the time fo the tune.

Few basic parameters that are adjusted in most injector scale tunes. battery voltage latency is an important change to look at , when going with larger injectors. even voltage drops can change AFR and the ECU needs to ahev the right parameters set to cover our daily voltage changes.
"Injector slopes, breakpoints and "battery voltage latency adjustment" to cover the behavior of injectors. Slopes represent the flow of the injector at high and low pulsewidths. Breakpoints determine the pulsewidth required to switch from the low slop to the high slope. "
What you said is right basically, but you need to differentiate between closed-loop and open-loop modes.
Open-Loop, especially when going WOT should use the maps the tuner has written into the ECU, i dunno how much the STFTs and LTFTs influence the open-loop maps at all though.

But anyway, so if i understood you right, the hiccup mode is the tuners fault? Do you have the hiccup mode anyway exotic-metal?
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 11:28 PM
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Update: The new ECU tune was installed. So far, after 59 miles, no hiccup and no P0106 code. Crossing my fingers. I will update more after some more miles.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 11:49 PM
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Mine has been hiccup-free for thousands of daily driven miles now, with no changes to the tune after switching from the 82mm tb to the 90mm tb. This was after the hiccup code would occurr at least once a day, sometimes 10+ times in a day.
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir-Boost-a-Lot
Mine has been hiccup-free for thousands of daily driven miles now, with no changes to the tune after switching from the 82mm tb to the 90mm tb. This was after the hiccup code would occurr at least once a day, sometimes 10+ times in a day.
So you didn't retune after going from 82mm tb to the 90?
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 02:09 PM
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Update: I am now at 112 miles and no hiccup and no P0106 code. Still crossing my fingers. I will update more after some more miles.

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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 02:37 PM
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 08:30 PM
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Between yesterday and today, I put 130 miles on the car with the new BIP tune. No hiccup, no P0106 CEL and no pending CEL. I will continue to up to 300 miles. If no problems after 300 miles, then that - to me - means I no longer have this problem due to the new BIP tune.
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 08:35 PM
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Between yesterday and today, I put 130 miles on the car with the new BIP tune. No hiccup, no P0106 CEL and no pending CEL. I will continue to up to 300 miles. If no problems after 300 miles, then that - to me - means I no longer have this problem due to the new BIP tune.


Getting excited!
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 12:06 PM
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Ok, I am certain this hiccup / P0106 is gone. The switch to BIP tune solved my problem with my mods on this issue.
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 12:46 PM
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Ok, I am certain this hiccup / P0106 is gone. The switch to BIP tune solved my problem with my mods on this issue.
Do a few hundred miles before you raise your arms in victory some guys get it again after 6-700 miles
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Joncl
Do a few hundred miles before you raise your arms in victory some guys get it again after 6-700 miles
Is that what happened to you? Hiccup / P0106 came back after 6-700 miles?
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 02:32 PM
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No, a few guys I know have the problem and it takes a few hundred miles before it does it again after retune actually 2 guys it happened after over 1000 miles but once it does it , it will be back often
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 04:13 PM
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No, a few guys I know have the problem and it takes a few hundred miles before it does it again after retune actually 2 guys it happened after over 1000 miles but once it does it , it will be back often
Can you tell me which 2 members? I would like to PM them.
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 04:17 PM
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They don't post here as far as I know and even if they did they would have the same info I am giving
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Joncl
They don't post here as far as I know and even if they did they would have the same info I am giving
I was curious as to what mods they had, what tune they had, what tune they tried, was the new tune's AFR changed. I have never heard of this hiccup / P0106 issue coming back after 6-700 miles of no problems.
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 04:29 PM
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Regular stuff, 180, LT headers,82mm etc, I really hope it works out for you
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Joncl
Regular stuff, 180, LT headers,82mm etc, I really hope it works out for you
who was their before and after tune? Did they have an W211 E55?
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