55fanatic

a friend is swapping a 2JZ into an E36 shell and found these guys who create transadapters and clutch kits... was browsing the site and found this...

MB V8 kit to mate a getrag trans out of a BMW to it...

http://www.abc-clutch.com/products/m...ox-adapter-kit

Manual trans E55 on coilovers with E63 brakes... perfect weekend toy

vioilio

Whaaaatttttt ???? Was this ever tested by those people? How would you mate the driveshaft to the tranny and then adapt to the differential? What about all the electronics we have responsible for the transmission input/output of our cars? Mounts/brackets etc...... I just dont see how that is possible. Who is going to try it first?

sk8erjosh09

Don't worry about the electronics

sk8erjosh09

The getrag T-56 swap to a Merc has been around for years by the way. I'm currently testing the limits of the slk/wrangler 6-speed, but until the 55K motor is in, I wouldn't tell anyone to go for it. The T-56 is proven.

55fanatic

what does the coding cost?

sk8erjosh09

It'll be $1500, plus shipping both ways. There is one bug left to work out, I know the solution and now that I have an E55 to test with I could have it ready to go whenever, the only reason I haven't yet is because no one is willing to try lol. I've been asked a million times if it's possible, and when I tell everyone what they need, I never hear back... If you are legitimately serious about this, I'll have it done and proven within the next week or two.

vioilio

You got my attention now. So lets continue...

sk8erjosh09

Awesome. I'll have the board I need within the next week, and start building shortly there after. Shouldn't take too long to construct.

55fanatic

I hope to have this E around a while, manual conversion was never in my mind since well, I didn't think it was possible. While I make small changes to the car, The big changes I would make include deleting airmatic, converting to the E63 brake system, and now I guess swapping to a manual

dchl21

hey ... good luck but I think its a bad idea .... (difficult to make it perfect)

SPatykAMG

I could be wrong but I thought I had seen a manual crossfire with a 55 motor which would mean it is plenty possible.

e500slr

It'll be slower. Instead of putting manual transmission why not try to swap an MCT?

biggking

Why not swap an SMGII system with the E46 trans?

55fanatic

Are you kidding me with the SMG? It's terrible

Quadcammer

I see the appeal, but an e55 will never be a sports car anyway. Also, you'll want to think about your gear ratios carefully.

sk8erjosh09

You didn't. So far there are 3 non-AMG manual trans V8's. I'm working on the manual trans 55K, trust me when I say it has not been done. The ECU work is a nightmare compared to the non-AMG V8 manual work, which is still crazy difficult. There's a reason Brabus never finished the SLK V8 they did over 10 years ago, and that was even with an automatic.

Gear ratio's wouldn't be an issue with how low the rear is.

sk8erjosh09

Sorry I've been out for longer than expected with projects going on. If anyone wants to follow with more updates, here's my facebook page I just made, https://www.facebook.com/MercedesSwapShop , It's easier to post updates on there.

In respect to the E55 manual, theory one didn't pan out but it gave me the answer to our problem. Unfortunately price for future ECU's will be more than projected but I need someone with an E55 and a euroflash or mygenius tool with their tune file, in California, to PM me if you're willing to help out, in return I'll do any one ECU project for you half off. I have a new idea for board construction that I'll be able to test within the next few days, but it'll only be 90% of the battle. I'll need to test the board after with a tuner's loader and tune file to make sure it doesn't overwrite any of my software.

typhoon43

Manual isn't for me, but I wanted to chime in that I think it's great that we still have people like you around on these forums to continue to push for new mods on these discontinued platforms. I hope everything works out with this project!

JoeNobody

All I want is a 7 speed automatic

sk8erjosh09

Thank you!

In all honesty my E55 won't get a manual. The whole point for this is to get the auto trans R170 55K conversions to have cruise control and eventually for my Crossfire manual to have a 55K engine. What would be better than a 3100 lb car with 500whp? I could name a few things but not many! lol

Go get a 7 speed, build it up to handle the torque, get a TCU for it, install it, get Star DAS with developer and teamviewer and I'll code it for you in 20 minutes...

RedBullJnky

If it works I'll do it

It's not in my nature to be ordinary

E55Greasemonkey

Hmm. You sure about that? The 722.9 TCU is built into the valve body electric plate. And the wiring harness is completely different from the car side, let alone all the other control units that have to play along with it. Call me skeptical.

sk8erjosh09

Sounds good lol. Just need to test the next theory and go from there. The software is ridiculous on 55K 281's.

Me neither, which is why I need to get my next swap going lol. I love your car by the way, my friend damn near fell out of his seat, unable to collect his thoughts when I showed him the burnout you put on instagram when I plugged it into the stereo lol.

As far as my part, the coding shouldn't be an issue and that's all I was referring to. Matching the harness' correctly and running any additional cooling lines or whatever may be different mechanically would take research. I personally don't know anything about them obviously as I'm a manual trans guy but the coding is retained in the ME, the option to read from another TCU version is also in a ready state from what I've seen myself. I'll dig in a little and see what I can find out.

whipplem104

You do not have to recode for a manual. All you need to do is put a CAN module in that sends the appropriate messages to the other computers. It is fairly simple to do. I have done this with standalone controllers for the 722.6. Mainly all you need is neutral safety for starting but the check engine light will be on. If you want the check engine light to be out you need to send some specific values and a rolling checksum that would emulate the factory tcu.
As for the 722.9 it is a no go. You can code the ecu all you want but unless you can code the 722.9 tcu for the car then it will not work. The coding is done via Mercedes by vin number. So there would be no way to generate the appropriate coding unless Mercedes let you do it. The only other option would be to have the 722.9 tcu hacked so that it did not require the specific coding and then open software to tune it to the engine.

sk8erjosh09

:insert facepalm


Listen, 1st of all if you say to me "stand alone", then we're on completely different playing fields.


Second of all, please do your homework before you come to me with "...done via Mercedes by vin number. So there would be no way to generate the appropriate coding unless Mercedes let you do it." lol


Now I may not be as well known as any company dealing with Mercedes tuning and modding, but in 6 months I did something they've all tried, many of them for years, Brabus over a decade, and couldn't do... I deal with people and companies like you almost once a week. People are interested, so go do your idea that "isn't that hard", you could make a ton of money!!!


Not trying to be rude, but the car remaining factory, is kind of a big deal to me, I actually like the technology behind our engines. I also like factory interior function, which if you knew about in depth you would realize the chaos you would create with a trans CAN emulator. You're also missing 2 extremely important signals that would need to be emulated... Good day.