SnoopSER

Kinda going off subject here....but since Torretto is such the Mopar fan, I wonder will we see one the new Fast 7 movie( if you're a fan of the movies)???

Hotsoss

I agree with you. I think that German built 8 speed auto in the Hellcat made a significant difference in this race. Rumor has it that this transmission along with GM's automatic are said to be PDK quick. If the ZO6 was auto I think the race would've been a lot closer with the Hellcat edging it out. Whatever the case the Hellcat is the new American bad boy on the block. This car is sending car enthusiast into a frenzy similar to the way the terminator Mustang Cobra and E55k did back in the day. Dodge could've easily just one upped GM and Ford by tuning the engine to 670 horsepower, but they instead set a new bench mark by going all the way to an underrated 707 horsepower.

Hotsoss

You know I was thinking the same thing! That would be hot and so appropriate. I would not be surprised to see this car in that movie. That by itself would generate an increase in sales and make the car iconic the way they did with the Supra in the original F&F. I also can't wait to see the car commercials for the Super Bowl!

SnoopSER

I didn't even think about Super Bowl commercials....Im sure Mopar will have something crazy for us, as the one's now with the "Dodge Brothers" are kinda cool as is.

Hotsoss

Yeah, that commercial is cool. I did not know that about Dodge. It kind of makes me think of the way Lamborghini started. I am almost certain GM will show one off one of their CTS-V commercials.

TheOtherDodge

So no way a car that weighs 1000 lbs less with only 50 hp deficiency should lose huh?

Guess you guys don't really understand racing and how "power" works.

Care to explain how a 2013 Viper that weighs 3354 and makes 640 hp/620 tq loses to a SLS that weighs 3710 and makes 622 hp/468 tq? No way a car that weighs less and makes more power will lose! Can't happen right? http://www.worldcarfans.com/11307055...k-series-video

Hotsoss

I just acknowledged the fact that the ZF 8 speed auto transmission in the Dodge was the difference maker. I also think most everyone here understands how racing goes. A car with almost equal power and nearly 1000lbs less getting smoked is not the norm and I'm sure most enthusiast would've surely picked the ZO6 in this race if we did not already know the outcome.



Now dyno sheets have shown that the black series SLS M159 engine is making almost the same horsepower at the wheels as the 2013 Viper. The difference maker as with the Hellcat vs ZO6 was the transmission in the SLS. That quick shifting transmission more than made up for the torque disparity and was able to edge the Viper out in all acceleration test. Now if that Viper had a quick shifting auto like what’s in the Hellcat I the results would’ve been reversed with the Viper edging out the SLS.


Furthermore, the Hellcat loss to the same ZO6 at the drag strip (lower E.T and Trap), but beat it from a roll. The SLS beat the viper from a dig and a roll.

boostiality

Corvette forum heard what Thericker said. Acts accordingly...

Thericker

Just relaying what my past Corvette tuner & I thought the problems were & why everybody either barely escapes wrecking or flat putting it in the wall @ 1/8 th or actually T boning another car/guard-rail/tree on city streets/frwy etc I sold mine & so did handful of friends for these exact reasons.. Would I buy another 1 if they finally add AWD? Or and just fix the power delivery problems? YES...

Thericker

I understand how gearing & different trans play HUGE roll in racing different cars, my thoughts on the Dodge vs new Corvette were brought down to weight & power as I was under the impression neither had DCT tranns

TheOtherDodge

Neither have DCT.

Thericker

So why are you comparing the SLS w/DCT & less power but more weight to Viper w/out DCT etc etc in your reasoning why we don't understand Racing & how power works? When the Dodge vs Corvette race neither have the DCT tranns edge I realize Dodge & Chevy use dif tranns/gearing but neither are using the super fast DCT so I gather your analogy has more depth to it, please edify me professor?

TheOtherDodge

Really? I need to explain? The comparison between the 2 is just that who should win "on paper" may not actually win in reality. There are more factors than power and weight. In the race and my comparison, the SLS was Yellow and the Challenger was black..Please don't think I am saying that has anything to do with it either...

Thericker

Whatever guy pull the stick outta ur ****.. My stating the blatantly obvious stats of 1000 lb dif in curb weight w/nearly same hp/tq doesn't mean ANYTHING can't/wont happen in a street race? Why are you taking that so literally? When I also note driver error etc etc can/will always effect such racing.. We've ALL seen the David vs Goliath type match-ups that never make sense on paper thnx for the edification big brain

TheOtherDodge

So if you agree with me, why are you arguing with me? I never pointed my statement to you. I only replied when you directly quoted me. Help me understand what you want.

Thericker

Jeez the web has zero intonation & when you directly quoted me & added a little jibe & smashing idiot smiley I acted accordingly All good man We just misunderstood each other..

TheOtherDodge

Yup, all good. Nothing like a little internet ribbing!

Thericker

Yup yup brutha

PeterUbers

Love the neon srt.... This car is gunna be awesome

Enigma94

I would agree that this statement is a little overboard to say that ALL vettes are death traps. I daily drove a modded c5z06 for the better part of 6 years and I would say that they are not for inexperienced drivers for sure(which is probably the cause of so many YouTube videos, along with the power/price point) when I first bought the car I could totally agree that the car was pretty unstable for having the power that it does, but considering it's on leaf springs and the giant rubber A-arm bushings have an insane amount of deflection I wouldn't expect anything less. Get one set up with some coilovers and some poly bushings and you'll have yourself a insanely stable and predictable car through every aspect of driving.

It really just comes down to people being too reliant on the stock suspension set up. I've seen soooo many 650+HP vettes on stock leaf springs with lowering bolts it's ridiculous. That's like putting a set of ebay coilovers in our cars and complaining about how squirley the car gets when you try to put down 500hp. It still amazes me how GM put the cars out with such poor suspension from the factory...

320 dreamer

that dyno isnt a dyno jet but rather a dyno dynamics! i don't know that i buy the # but if it is legit thats a monster of a car!. I'm sure ill see it at bowling green in the spring

boostiality

Agreed especially with most vette owners being of the older variety, you would think GM would have dialed in the suspension a lot better from the factory though I've heard that the C7 is head and shoulders a much better car from the previous gens.

Here's a good video showing a base C6 being driven by a pro driver on a familiar road and it's interesting driving dynamics :

Thericker

Inadvertently you've just backed up my statements that in stock or modded form (most guys always spend $$ on go fast parts, not suspension to correct inherent oem flaws) Corvettes get squirley as hell w/OEM suspension (in your opinion the flaw is in handling/OEM suspesion vs mine the TQ management & shift line pressure coupled to ultra light chassis/body)

You bring up a great point... I have ton of experience driving high hp/tq autos as did my friends who found same problems w/their Vettes & this shouldn't be an issue any way, as the general public doesn't have mass exp in properly driving high hp/tq autos, Chevy etc should know this buy now & make these cars user friendly for the novice as well.

Another part of problem is the modern BASE models are now more powerful than your old C5 Z06, even my previous BASE model C6 came w/same 400 hp you had in C5 Z06, now the base models up to 460 hp & 0-60 3.8 Imagine what you would've done driving your past C5 Z06 if it had 460 hp in STOCK trim? You noted when you 1st bought it, it was very unstable for even having the stock 400 hp etc..

They need to scrap the Transverse Leaf springs, ALL 7 generations use some form of Leaf Springs starting way back in 53' w/C2 fast fwd to C5, C6, & latest C7 using Front & rear: Independent unequal-length*double wishbones*with transverse fiberglass mono-leaf springs... (I forgot 1 more major problem & why a ton of these Vettes loose control so easily, add ALL the above to the incredibly rigid, no flex sidewall Run Flats standard w/BASE models = date w/disaster as far as loosing control due to little to no traction = violent tail wag under acceleration) So to make a Corvette somewhat civil you need aftermarket suspension setup & IF you didn't buy the Z06 model you absolutely have to buy a set of very expensive Michelin Pilot Super Sport Cup tires... *

Now be honest.. You have to admit ANY of the Z06 models or EVEN the newer C6-C7 BASE models w/400-460 HP, let alone the latest 650 hp Z06 put in a NOVICES hands is a highly possible death trap.. Problem is like you already pointed out, the masses that own/crash these are novices..

Now put that same NOVICE in 670 HP 740 TQ SL65 Black Series & he can hammer the hell out of it (NO twisty racing, just straight line racing or hard accelertion) they wont put it into a wall or worse other cars etc.. The Black Series or any AMG model etc isn't just safer due to 4000lb on up curb weights, they are over engineered w/safety in mind in every aspect of the car including EXCELLENT stability control programs to reel the driver in NO MATTER level of experience as EVERY high HP/TQ model should be.. Same w/all perf models from BMW/AUDI etc etc.. You get what you pay for I guess..

Nanook

Say what you will..I agree there is room for improvement in the C6 platform...I'd say start with the tires but regardless...I'll be keeping mine for a long time

Thericker

Don't get me wrong, they're gorgeous sleds @ bargain pricing.. I've said it before your ZR1 is a knockout!! I just had a bunch of really close calls in my past C6 every bolton available besides FI including 3.90 gears on A4 made 430-440 @ wheels etc I added full OEM Z06 widebody panels too.. I would/will def buy another in future when they get AWD, I heard AWD was not too far off & inmop would make these monsters legit