BagMan

I ran a into a B8 S4 last week who was really eager to play. We went from 50-120. I let him hit it first, but barely. I was creeping on him, but not what I expected.

Some details: We were in 5:00pm stop and go traffic for 10 miles before we go an opening. Outside temp 92*.

My mods:
SC pulley / EC tune / BWK / EC H/E / Colder plugs

Are modded S4s that strong?

AMG E Power

you r down in power cuz of the heat and you have no headers to help with the heat

AKnight55

330 hp stock, but underrated. Pulley and tune really wakes them up. I was contemplating one a few months back, but ended up with an A4. Anyways they can run 12s with a few bolt ons.

hpV12

There's no way he should have been able to keep up especially with your mods, unless he too had some mods. I had a B8 S4 about a year or so ago and while it was quick and comfortable and really nice inside (carbon fiber really made it pop) it was no where near as fast as even a stock E55, let alone a modded one. It really *really* had trouble past 100.

BagMan

He was definitely modded.

Even still, I'd assume that a V6 with a blower would get walked by a V8 with blower

MyChariotAwaits

You assumed correctly. Those cars don't put down e55 type power even when modded.

BagMan

I found a list of best times for those cars. The MPH seems to be there. I'd expect my car to be in the 116-117 range. Probably less in 92* stop & go. So, I could see how it would be close. Still Sucks though.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ag-Strip-Times

E55Greasemonkey

You really need headers on these cars. Otherwise they die on the top end.

99lightning

night and day difference with headers

MAN55LE

Headers!

Max.H

Edited… Thought for a second you were talking about the older NA V8 S4.

James M

I ran into one last weekend and I thought the guy didn't have a chance, but the sneaky bugger hit the gas as the light turned green and we turned a corner into a long straight. His AWD gave him a good head start because I could not lay my power down around the bend and he got a good 2-3 car lead on me. I only managed to start reeling him in at the top end of 3rd gear and walked past him, but not as fast as I would have liked to. By 4th gear my E55 started putting bus lengths between us and I was amazed that my E55 didn't completely obliterate the S4. With an M3, it's all over once I hook 2nd gear, but the Audi has legs and takes a lot more to beat. I don't know if the guys car was modified, but around my area the first thing the turbo brigade do is upgrade the downpipe and software which is good for another 60 -100 HP depending on the vehicle (S4 or 135i). I have raced many, many M3's, 335i JB4's and 135i JB4's and I must say that the Audi S4 gave me the biggest surprise of the bunch. There is nothing wrong with your E55, it just 10 years old and the newer cars have much quicker gearboxes, launch control and AWD........etc. Just my opinion.

KMS11

I tangled with one of these a few months ago but having owned an B5 S4 I more or less knew what to expect. I always assume modded until verified by owner but in this case I didn't find out. That said, I knew if he launched properly he would jump out ahead and he did while I let my traction control sort things out. About halfway through the intersection I hooked and went by him decisively. At the next light I asked if he wanted to try again. He did. I let him jump out even further though my car hooked better and I destroyed him again.

It was night and temps were in the 60's

AMGAffalterbach

You guys have it good because you're at sea level or close to it. Up here, a stock 2010 S4 one of my friends has pulls hard on the E550 (which on paper it shouldn't) on the top end, and almost keeps up with the E55, although it's hard to judge because we're pretty sure the E55 is down on power and it's currently being diagnosed at MB of Littleton. I think the B8 probably makes closer to 400bhp stock, so one with a Revotune or the like would be definite competition for an E55, although one with mods such as yours probably not. It makes me mad how fast they are especially at elevation. The older N/A S4s (specifically the B6/B7 4.2 V8s) lose to the E550 at elevation. I got in a race with one the other night on the highway and we went 70-145 and it kept up but got smashed on the higher end of that.

James M

Here is the REVOtune video. Click on 'How to make an Audi S4 perform like.....'
https://www.google.co.za/#q=audi+S4+mods

AMGAffalterbach

I agree that from a technical perspective they have an advantage, but I would still take an older AMG over an Audi S product any day. A few reasons: first, in my area the A4 is almost as common as the 3-Series, and an S4 looks too ubiquitous and close to that, so it doesn't have that special feel as the W211 AMGs do. Secondly, although they're impressive in a straight line and ones with the active diff put down pretty good skid pad numbers, S4s that don't have the active diff remain understeering pigs. My friend with the 2010 S4 somehow thinks that his all-wheel-drive "drifts" look cool, when in fact they are laughable at best. The Merc has a character the S4 will never match, plus it's a Mercedes - not a nicer Volkswagen

Not to mention that the 2010 S4 my friend often takes out to rally with us is terribly unreliable, thank god he has a good warranty on it because it's been in the shop in the last few months the same number of times my car has been in during the past two years. He also had a brand new Q7 loaner car that died on the highway on-ramp and had to be towed. Point is: RS and S products, even modern ones, tend to be a bit more "hit and miss" as Chris Harris put it in that video, whereas there isn't a modern AMG car out there I wouldn't love to have.

James M

Reminds me of my beloved C32 that was very modded, except that AMG's rule and Audi's don't. As much as I hate to admit it, I reckon that modded S4 would eat my old modded C32 which used put down 360 rwhp at 2000m above sea level.

James M

I am still dying to see what happens with my E55 against an A45 - I started a thread a while back, but to this day I cannot find a single video or heard of anyone who has raced one with their E55? Just to get back to the matter at hand, I would put a modded S4 to run dead nuts with a stock 2014 ML 63 Bi-turbo. I have run against 2 x ML 63 bi-turbos on separate occasions and both times we did multiple runs. The ML's ran nose to nose with me in 1st gear, I started walking them in 2nd, I was 3-4 car lengths in 3rd and a bus length by 4th. Very similar indeed. Before people start calling me names, this was at 2000m above sea level in winter and neither of the ML drivers were great.

BagMan

I'd like to, but I don't want to screw up my warranty

AMG E Power

u already are modded, SC pulley, Tune, BMK....

headers and tune is what I did first and I think most would agree should be your first mod. its completely safe

BagMan

BWK = belt wrap kit

Yeah but I could restore it back to stock in 30 minutes and the warranty inspector will never know.

I can't swap headers easily and they stick out like a sore thumb.

maw1124

AWD + APR Tune. They'll be quicker off the line and will hang to around 80mph (I would imagine), while we're still trying to get the power down. From there up, "there's no substitute for displacement."

maw

Legaskull Nanee

Yeah the fastest ones per Dragtimes are running mid 11's but only trapping 116-118. And that is A LOT of work done. So an EXTREMELY modded B8 might be able to hang with a stock 55. Again, might. But a 55 with any sort of mods will smoke even the most heavily modded B8. As others have said, stop light to stop light the 55 will not fair well.


With that said, I cannot think of another sub $30k car that I would rather daily drive (in New England). Aknight55 :p


Moddability - that blown 3.0 is underrated from the factory and still relatively new in comparison to other platforms. Give it time. As the Audi boys say, its the modern B5 (2.7tt)


Fuel efficiency- I personally believe that if you want a performance car, who cares about this but some people do. This car will provide neck snapping acceleration without having to stop at a gas station every 50 miles.


Looks- Well its an Audi... so yeah I guess I don't need to explain further


Value- I guess this is the sum of all the previously mentioned.


If you are looking for a reasonably priced DD and need AWD practicality, look no further. For the record, I do not own one either.

James M

You forgot about the C32 AMG - 3,2 litre supercharged, twin spark V6 screamer. Much cheaper than the Audi, very moddable and it's an AMG.

Legaskull Nanee

Oh you're right, pardon me. I forgot they made C32's with AWD.


No doubt the C32 can rip but I'm talking about ALL SEASON practicality in New England or any other winter area.