E55 / E63 differences (Not an engine discussion)
04-17-2015, 08:00 AM
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E55 / E63 differences (Not an engine discussion)
Hello Everyone.... Yes I'm a newb. I'm getting ready to purchase a semi-high mileage commuter as I don't want to drive my M6 everyday. I need some help from you guys regarding which W211 to buy.
This is NOT a question about the drivetrain ..... I know there are TONS of threads out there on this. I totally understand that for the most part it comes down to personal preference with the engine. I even stopped by two Benz dealers and asked them about reliability and they said both drivetrains are pretty darn good and its ..... of course ....... preference.
So the question is....... What other options / changes were made during the switch from E55 to E63. I know about the subtle appearance changes (these things are easy to see). However, what about comfort, convenience, audio, safety, etc options??
I want to make sure that if I buy a E55 I'm not gonna be upset to learn the E63 has some "very cool" feature that can't be retrofitted later on.
Here's a good example (different make). I had bought a 2010 Acura TL 6spd. You know the pretty cool one with the horrible name and ugly grille. Not crazy fast but damn reliable, handled well and most importantly .... was a 6spd!! Anyway, right after I bought it I found out they were changing the seats and Acura would be making them ventilated. Sure not a big deal but it pissed me off and I would have definitely waited the couple more months.
I want to make sure something like this doesn't happen with the E55 ...... like bluetooth audio ....I know that didn't happen til after the W211 but you get the idea. I'm having trouble searching the web for definitive options or changes other than the engine that happened during the W211 mid-cycle change.
Anyway.... thanks in advance for any help you guys can offer!!!
This is NOT a question about the drivetrain ..... I know there are TONS of threads out there on this. I totally understand that for the most part it comes down to personal preference with the engine. I even stopped by two Benz dealers and asked them about reliability and they said both drivetrains are pretty darn good and its ..... of course ....... preference.
So the question is....... What other options / changes were made during the switch from E55 to E63. I know about the subtle appearance changes (these things are easy to see). However, what about comfort, convenience, audio, safety, etc options??
I want to make sure that if I buy a E55 I'm not gonna be upset to learn the E63 has some "very cool" feature that can't be retrofitted later on.
Here's a good example (different make). I had bought a 2010 Acura TL 6spd. You know the pretty cool one with the horrible name and ugly grille. Not crazy fast but damn reliable, handled well and most importantly .... was a 6spd!! Anyway, right after I bought it I found out they were changing the seats and Acura would be making them ventilated. Sure not a big deal but it pissed me off and I would have definitely waited the couple more months.
I want to make sure something like this doesn't happen with the E55 ...... like bluetooth audio ....I know that didn't happen til after the W211 but you get the idea. I'm having trouble searching the web for definitive options or changes other than the engine that happened during the W211 mid-cycle change.
Anyway.... thanks in advance for any help you guys can offer!!!
04-17-2015, 11:27 AM
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Here's some differences off the top of my head. Bear in mind that even the E55 had feature changes over the years.
I hope others will chime in
E63:
-7 Speed tranny w/paddle shifter (debatable whether or not it's better than E55 5spd - reliability wise)
-better electronics on the 2009 models (COMAND NTG2.5) still sucks IMO
-Bigger Semi composite brakes / different calipers - higher replacement cost
-No SBC braking system - less headaches/worries
-Slightly wider stock wheels 18x8.5f 18x9r
-Different shift knob
-Different steering wheel
-roll top center console
-Alcantara seat bolsters
-Are dynamic seats available on the E63??
-Fold down rear seats
-More interior color choices
-Different instrument cluster (black face)
-facelifted headlights, taillights, bumpers
-better exhaust sound
E55 changes: (most 2005+ changes carried over to the E63)
-Optional Solar vent fans in pano roof was 2004 only - I believe (maybe 2003 also)
-2005+ introduced better steering rack - quicker ratio
-2005+ 200mph speedo - still white face
-2005+ removed in cabin charcoal filter
-2005+ Dynamic seats still available??
-2005+ roll top center console (03-04 had split butterfly console)
-2005+ Aluminum pedals
I hope others will chime in
E63:
-7 Speed tranny w/paddle shifter (debatable whether or not it's better than E55 5spd - reliability wise)
-better electronics on the 2009 models (COMAND NTG2.5) still sucks IMO
-Bigger Semi composite brakes / different calipers - higher replacement cost
-No SBC braking system - less headaches/worries
-Slightly wider stock wheels 18x8.5f 18x9r
-Different shift knob
-Different steering wheel
-roll top center console
-Alcantara seat bolsters
-Are dynamic seats available on the E63??
-Fold down rear seats
-More interior color choices
-Different instrument cluster (black face)
-facelifted headlights, taillights, bumpers
-better exhaust sound
E55 changes: (most 2005+ changes carried over to the E63)
-Optional Solar vent fans in pano roof was 2004 only - I believe (maybe 2003 also)
-2005+ introduced better steering rack - quicker ratio
-2005+ 200mph speedo - still white face
-2005+ removed in cabin charcoal filter
-2005+ Dynamic seats still available??
-2005+ roll top center console (03-04 had split butterfly console)
-2005+ Aluminum pedals
04-17-2015, 12:29 PM
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Wow!! Thanks guys for the input thus far. A few things seem fairly large....
-better electronics on the 2009 models (COMAND NTG2.5) still sucks IMO
--> Remember I come from the land of iDrive so it MUST be better
-Bigger Semi composite brakes / different calipers
--> Is there data to support "bigger / better" if so this seems substantial
-Slightly wider stock wheels 18x8.5f 18x9r
--> half inch depending on the offset might look better, especially since I do not plan on changing much on the car.
-Different steering wheel
--> Steering wheel looks better on the E63 from the photos I have seen and the feel of a wheel is so important to the drive.
-facelifted headlights, taillights, bumpers
--> I do like the new exterior appointments
-better exhaust sound
-->perhaps ...... but you loose the cool supercharger whine
What about adaptive cruise control?? I use to use that all the time on an old G35 I had... I loved it!
-better electronics on the 2009 models (COMAND NTG2.5) still sucks IMO
--> Remember I come from the land of iDrive so it MUST be better
-Bigger Semi composite brakes / different calipers
--> Is there data to support "bigger / better" if so this seems substantial
-Slightly wider stock wheels 18x8.5f 18x9r
--> half inch depending on the offset might look better, especially since I do not plan on changing much on the car.
-Different steering wheel
--> Steering wheel looks better on the E63 from the photos I have seen and the feel of a wheel is so important to the drive.
-facelifted headlights, taillights, bumpers
--> I do like the new exterior appointments
-better exhaust sound
-->perhaps ...... but you loose the cool supercharger whine
What about adaptive cruise control?? I use to use that all the time on an old G35 I had... I loved it!
04-17-2015, 12:39 PM
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04-17-2015, 01:21 PM
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Look to be honest, get the E63. It's the better car, maybe not the faster but it is better. It has all the updated stuff from the factory and it sounds ALOT better. Go hear it and drive it in person, the M156 is just jaw dropping when it comes to sound. The E63 feels tighter, the drivetrain is tighter whereas the E55 is more of a slushy torque monster. They couldn't feel any different and it's shocking that they share the same chassis, they feel WORLDS apart.
The cosmetic changes are extensive and will cost you to do. You'll need the mirrors, headlights, taillights, trunk (lower), OEM front E63 bumper (suvneer is not identical), rear bumper trim (where sensors sit), wheels, diffuser (part of the bumper). Inside you have the center vent, instrument cluster, steering wheel, gear shift knob, pedals, seats (F+R).
If you get an 09 E63 which has the NTG 2.5. Ignore what people say, it's an incredible system, very modern and very easy to use and just gorgeous. Anyone who calls the NTG 2.5 crap is a retard and shouldn't be walking without a helmet. The NTG 2.5 can be retrofitted. There's a module/harness you can buy for not much, if you have Harmon and Kardon it's a little more expensive to do but still very possible.
The E63, unless supercharged is not very mod friendly. If you want a savage beast that is extremely fast and colossal, you'll wanna start with an E55 because it's fairly cheap to mod and get to being a 10 second car. If you Weistec or Kleemann SC the E63 though, you can stomp on highly modded E55s but it's alot more expensive especially the latter brand.
You will still not have the sound of the E63 though and you'll have spent quite a bit to get the cosmetics done, which let's face it the W211 needs and without looks pretty dated.
Go drive them. We see 10 threads a day like this. You need to choose the car that suits you. They're night and day different. They're not even close to being similar, it'll gobsmack you how different they are and feel. I personally prefer the E63.
YOU RACIST ******* 
The cosmetic changes are extensive and will cost you to do. You'll need the mirrors, headlights, taillights, trunk (lower), OEM front E63 bumper (suvneer is not identical), rear bumper trim (where sensors sit), wheels, diffuser (part of the bumper). Inside you have the center vent, instrument cluster, steering wheel, gear shift knob, pedals, seats (F+R).
If you get an 09 E63 which has the NTG 2.5. Ignore what people say, it's an incredible system, very modern and very easy to use and just gorgeous. Anyone who calls the NTG 2.5 crap is a retard and shouldn't be walking without a helmet. The NTG 2.5 can be retrofitted. There's a module/harness you can buy for not much, if you have Harmon and Kardon it's a little more expensive to do but still very possible.
The E63, unless supercharged is not very mod friendly. If you want a savage beast that is extremely fast and colossal, you'll wanna start with an E55 because it's fairly cheap to mod and get to being a 10 second car. If you Weistec or Kleemann SC the E63 though, you can stomp on highly modded E55s but it's alot more expensive especially the latter brand.
You will still not have the sound of the E63 though and you'll have spent quite a bit to get the cosmetics done, which let's face it the W211 needs and without looks pretty dated.
Go drive them. We see 10 threads a day like this. You need to choose the car that suits you. They're night and day different. They're not even close to being similar, it'll gobsmack you how different they are and feel. I personally prefer the E63.
Here's some differences off the top of my head. Bear in mind that even the E55 had feature changes over the years.
I hope others will chime in
E63:
-7 Speed tranny w/paddle shifter (debatable whether or not it's better than E55 5spd - reliability wise)
-better electronics on the 2009 models (COMAND NTG2.5) still sucks IMO
-Bigger Semi composite brakes / different calipers - higher replacement cost
-No SBC braking system - less headaches/worries
-Slightly wider stock wheels 18x8.5f 18x9r
-Different shift knob
-Different steering wheel
-roll top center console
-Alcantara seat bolsters
-Are dynamic seats available on the E63??
-Fold down rear seats
-More interior color choices
-Different instrument cluster (black face)
-facelifted headlights, taillights, bumpers
-better exhaust sound
E55 changes: (most 2005+ changes carried over to the E63)
-Optional Solar vent fans in pano roof was 2004 only - I believe (maybe 2003 also)
-2005+ introduced better steering rack - quicker ratio
-2005+ 200mph speedo - still white face
-2005+ removed in cabin charcoal filter
-2005+ Dynamic seats still available??
-2005+ roll top center console (03-04 had split butterfly console)
-2005+ Aluminum pedals
I hope others will chime in
E63:
-7 Speed tranny w/paddle shifter (debatable whether or not it's better than E55 5spd - reliability wise)
-better electronics on the 2009 models (COMAND NTG2.5) still sucks IMO
-Bigger Semi composite brakes / different calipers - higher replacement cost
-No SBC braking system - less headaches/worries
-Slightly wider stock wheels 18x8.5f 18x9r
-Different shift knob
-Different steering wheel
-roll top center console
-Alcantara seat bolsters
-Are dynamic seats available on the E63??
-Fold down rear seats
-More interior color choices
-Different instrument cluster (black face)
-facelifted headlights, taillights, bumpers
-better exhaust sound
E55 changes: (most 2005+ changes carried over to the E63)
-Optional Solar vent fans in pano roof was 2004 only - I believe (maybe 2003 also)
-2005+ introduced better steering rack - quicker ratio
-2005+ 200mph speedo - still white face
-2005+ removed in cabin charcoal filter
-2005+ Dynamic seats still available??
-2005+ roll top center console (03-04 had split butterfly console)
-2005+ Aluminum pedals
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04-17-2015, 02:04 PM
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Look to be honest, get the E63. It's the better car, maybe not the faster but it is better. It has all the updated stuff from the factory and it sounds ALOT better. Go hear it and drive it in person, the M156 is just jaw dropping when it comes to sound. The E63 feels tighter, the drivetrain is tighter whereas the E55 is more of a slushy torque monster. They couldn't feel any different and it's shocking that they share the same chassis, they feel WORLDS apart.
The cosmetic changes are extensive and will cost you to do. You'll need the mirrors, headlights, taillights, trunk (lower), OEM front E63 bumper (suvneer is not identical), rear bumper trim (where sensors sit), wheels, diffuser (part of the bumper). Inside you have the center vent, instrument cluster, steering wheel, gear shift knob, pedals, seats (F+R).
If you get an 09 E63 which has the NTG 2.5. Ignore what people say, it's an incredible system, very modern and very easy to use and just gorgeous. Anyone who calls the NTG 2.5 crap is a retard and shouldn't be walking without a helmet. The NTG 2.5 can be retrofitted. There's a module/harness you can buy for not much, if you have Harmon and Kardon it's a little more expensive to do but still very possible.
The E63, unless supercharged is not very mod friendly. If you want a savage beast that is extremely fast and colossal, you'll wanna start with an E55 because it's fairly cheap to mod and get to being a 10 second car. If you Weistec or Kleemann SC the E63 though, you can stomp on highly modded E55s but it's alot more expensive especially the latter brand.
You will still not have the sound of the E63 though and you'll have spent quite a bit to get the cosmetics done, which let's face it the W211 needs and without looks pretty dated.
Go drive them. We see 10 threads a day like this. You need to choose the car that suits you. They're night and day different. They're not even close to being similar, it'll gobsmack you how different they are and feel. I personally prefer the E63.
YOU RACIST *******
The cosmetic changes are extensive and will cost you to do. You'll need the mirrors, headlights, taillights, trunk (lower), OEM front E63 bumper (suvneer is not identical), rear bumper trim (where sensors sit), wheels, diffuser (part of the bumper). Inside you have the center vent, instrument cluster, steering wheel, gear shift knob, pedals, seats (F+R).
If you get an 09 E63 which has the NTG 2.5. Ignore what people say, it's an incredible system, very modern and very easy to use and just gorgeous. Anyone who calls the NTG 2.5 crap is a retard and shouldn't be walking without a helmet. The NTG 2.5 can be retrofitted. There's a module/harness you can buy for not much, if you have Harmon and Kardon it's a little more expensive to do but still very possible.
The E63, unless supercharged is not very mod friendly. If you want a savage beast that is extremely fast and colossal, you'll wanna start with an E55 because it's fairly cheap to mod and get to being a 10 second car. If you Weistec or Kleemann SC the E63 though, you can stomp on highly modded E55s but it's alot more expensive especially the latter brand.
You will still not have the sound of the E63 though and you'll have spent quite a bit to get the cosmetics done, which let's face it the W211 needs and without looks pretty dated.
Go drive them. We see 10 threads a day like this. You need to choose the car that suits you. They're night and day different. They're not even close to being similar, it'll gobsmack you how different they are and feel. I personally prefer the E63.
YOU RACIST *******
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...ml#post5877824
You need to remove anything on the most ring that is NOT NTG 2.5 (In other words EVERYTHING that is in the car stock. Radio, Audio Gateway (Amp/tuner unit in the trunk) CTEL module, SDAR module (If installed) Lignuatronic module (If installed), CD Changer, Ipod Interface (If installed) Nav Processor/DVD Drive (If installed) Bluetooth Phone interface (If installed) You replace all that with NTG 2.5 headunit (which has Nav, Linguatronic, Bluetooth and DVD Changer built in), Main Amp, Sub Amp, SDAR/HD Radio module, Media Interface (Ipod interface) and a Conversion wiring harness from Comandonline.co.uk
Install takes me 8 hours and I charge $1000
NTG 2.5 headunit- I'm seeing these on ebay for $1400 I know this guy and his stuff works
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Mercede...978f05&vxp=mtr
NTG 2.5 conversion wiring harness, Comandonline.co.uk $450
http://www.commandonline.co.uk/W211-...on-NTG2.5.html
Main Amp- $1390 http://www.commandonline.co.uk/harmo...or_ntg2.5.html
Sub Amp- $400 - there is one on ebay now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-2010-20...item58a8978df6
SDAR/HD Radio module- Usually $300
Media Interface (Ipod interface) - $399
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-2010-20...item3f2cc38f36
then you should get the media interface Plus (Bluetooth music streaming) $300
Bluetooth antenna, am/fm antenna adapter, Linguatronic stalk, microphone extension cable, backup camera and the updated antenna amp in the drivers c-pillar adds another $750 if you want video in motion thats another $250
Then there is a bit of STAR/DAS programming/updating that has to be done (It also updates the data card so the dealer sees a "Factory" install of a NTG 2.5
Yes it's expensive but the sound quality is MUCH better, infact it's what the car should sound like. there is even decent sub-bass. Integration with dash is there and the car looks bone stock. GPS is now address level and if you choose to subscribe you have live traffic.
charging of an iPhone 5 is via USB cable, same as all previous iPhones.
Let me know if you have any other questions
04-17-2015, 02:27 PM
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I genuinely appreciate all the candid feedback and opinions.....they have been VERY helpful!! Fact of the matter is this is gonna be a commuter. I drive 120 miles a day and I have a 2003 civic coupe that "used to" do the journey. I have since grown tired of getting blown away by dump trucks and semis so I switched to my V10 M6 which generally annihilates anyone who is driving slow in front of me. Problem is my M6 has under 20K miles on it.... I want to keep it that way. I want something to drive that is high mileage (I found a bunch already) this way I don't have to feel upset about racking the miles up. However is still fast enough to dispose of the "autonomous commuters" that plague our highways.
As for engine sounds I would love a nice 6.2 liter rumble, it would be a cool "opposite" sound from my high strung V10. I would definitely want something that has more modern refinement and if the 2009 has a newer user interface .... that will pretty much decide it for me.
What I am really now looking for is......
- Panoramic roof, My M6 has a carbon roof with no sunroof at all and its tight and confined in the cabin. I want something airy for commuting.
- Adaptive seats, seems like a cool feature that would be hard to retrofit.
- Distronic cruise, I love this but its third on my list because I have seen that its quite easy to retrofit.
- I would really like gray as my M6 is stratus gray and the two cars together would be awesome!
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As for engine sounds I would love a nice 6.2 liter rumble, it would be a cool "opposite" sound from my high strung V10. I would definitely want something that has more modern refinement and if the 2009 has a newer user interface .... that will pretty much decide it for me.
What I am really now looking for is......
- Panoramic roof, My M6 has a carbon roof with no sunroof at all and its tight and confined in the cabin. I want something airy for commuting.
- Adaptive seats, seems like a cool feature that would be hard to retrofit.
- Distronic cruise, I love this but its third on my list because I have seen that its quite easy to retrofit.
- I would really like gray as my M6 is stratus gray and the two cars together would be awesome!
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What I am really now looking for is......
- Panoramic roof, My M6 has a carbon roof with no sunroof at all and its tight and confined in the cabin. I want something airy for commuting.
- Adaptive seats, seems like a cool feature that would be hard to retrofit.
- Distronic cruise, I love this but its third on my list because I have seen that its quite easy to retrofit.
- I would really like gray as my M6 is stratus gray and the two cars together would be awesome!
gratuitous photo plug
- Panoramic roof, My M6 has a carbon roof with no sunroof at all and its tight and confined in the cabin. I want something airy for commuting.
- Adaptive seats, seems like a cool feature that would be hard to retrofit.
- Distronic cruise, I love this but its third on my list because I have seen that its quite easy to retrofit.
- I would really like gray as my M6 is stratus gray and the two cars together would be awesome!
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2. 63's have seats that adjust all normal ways, then heated and air'd (options) and then have the lumbar stuff which includes the side bolsters squeezing you in and out. No dynamic on the 63's.
3. Very few and very hard to find for the Distronic. Just fyi
4.Silvers and grey are pretty easy to find, but with all the specifics might be harder.
Just make sure the Conductor plate was replaced in the transmission on the one you buy. They always go out ONCE around 50-70k. 1k easy fix and no worries after that, but they always go out. x2 for me
Take the resonator off not the exhaust and get a Eurocharged Tune and you will be set. Makes a world of diff.
04-18-2015, 11:22 PM
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04-19-2015, 04:13 AM
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There are vendors on this forum who sell the E63 Bumper/Grille. Do a search for "Suvneer" for example and you will discover lots of helpful info. Members here tend to be discerning and quick to call out shoddy workmanship or vendors. Make the most of our combined knowledge-base and support the vendors who are generally enthusiasts themselves and happy to help fellow members.
04-19-2015, 09:18 PM
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There are vendors on this forum who sell the E63 Bumper/Grille. Do a search for "Suvneer" for example and you will discover lots of helpful info. Members here tend to be discerning and quick to call out shoddy workmanship or vendors. Make the most of our combined knowledge-base and support the vendors who are generally enthusiasts themselves and happy to help fellow members.
04-20-2015, 03:04 PM
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Would a 70-80k mile E63 deter you? There was one I was looking at pretty hard that's Flint Grey.
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...2902/overview/
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...2902/overview/
After reading about the '09 improvements to the user interface I really want to go that route but the ones I have seen are lowest..... 30K!! Its amazing that just that difference seems to drive the price up so much.
I figure my iDrive sucks bad and I have learned to deal with it the "pre-2009" Mercedes interface has to be at least "BMW good"?? I hope!
04-20-2015, 03:58 PM
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if you are commuting 100+ miles a day get the E63 - alot of us have had both the 55 and 63 at the same time and have had time to compare creature comforts - and i can say the 63's seats were just so much more comfortable on any extended amount of time in them.
I drove the 55 from SJ to LA and my back was killing me - did the same drive in the 63 and just felt so much more padding without sacrificing fit .
i was sad i let the 55 go, but have to say i have never regretted it when i am in the 63.
and the rumble is quite nice -
am sure some wil flame me, but oh well
I drove the 55 from SJ to LA and my back was killing me - did the same drive in the 63 and just felt so much more padding without sacrificing fit .
i was sad i let the 55 go, but have to say i have never regretted it when i am in the 63.
and the rumble is quite nice -
am sure some wil flame me, but oh well
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Thanks!! That's actually exactly what I am looking for!! That mileage is perfect. Like I said I'm looking for something high (above 60K) that way if I drive a lot I won't worry about it. Unfortunately when I have a low mileage car I'm one of those guys that's "counting the miles" and that ruins the fun of ownership!!
After reading about the '09 improvements to the user interface I really want to go that route but the ones I have seen are lowest..... 30K!! Its amazing that just that difference seems to drive the price up so much.
I figure my iDrive sucks bad and I have learned to deal with it the "pre-2009" Mercedes interface has to be at least "BMW good"?? I hope!
After reading about the '09 improvements to the user interface I really want to go that route but the ones I have seen are lowest..... 30K!! Its amazing that just that difference seems to drive the price up so much.
I figure my iDrive sucks bad and I have learned to deal with it the "pre-2009" Mercedes interface has to be at least "BMW good"?? I hope!
04-21-2015, 03:57 AM
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The 09 E63's interface pretty much looks like the new interface that Mercedes has been using since the W221 and C216. It's so beautiful, very expensive and Mercedes looking. I hate aftermarket chinese headunits or even worse, random double-DIN kenwood or pioneer units which look like rice and have a UI designed by someone stuck in the 1980s. The NTG 2.5 is GORGEOUS. It's a really good navigation system too. Way better than other cars. So clear and easy to use. I really get confused why some people bash the stock navigation, it's glorious. Even the NTG1, I've tried Lexus navs, Audi navs, BMW navs.....they're not even close to Mercedes. Mercedes is the best at everything, period, end of story.
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-ge...gwagon-177.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Mer...09_i03-800.jpg
That's the NTG 2.5, you can change the color settings but the layout and the look gives me goosebumps, it's TOO GOOD!!! ARGHH!!!
By the way, I love the E55, I adore it but the E63 is better. There are so many little details that make it newer and less dated. You have to also remember than in 2009, that was the last year for the W211 and therefore Mercedes had basically all the kinks worked out. No SBC either which is a MOTHERF*CKER to replace, you wouldn't be able to do it yourself and the labor is arsehole tearing.
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-ge...gwagon-177.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Mer...09_i03-800.jpg
That's the NTG 2.5, you can change the color settings but the layout and the look gives me goosebumps, it's TOO GOOD!!! ARGHH!!!
By the way, I love the E55, I adore it but the E63 is better. There are so many little details that make it newer and less dated. You have to also remember than in 2009, that was the last year for the W211 and therefore Mercedes had basically all the kinks worked out. No SBC either which is a MOTHERF*CKER to replace, you wouldn't be able to do it yourself and the labor is arsehole tearing.
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04-21-2015, 09:11 AM
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The 09 E63's interface pretty much looks like the new interface that Mercedes has been using since the W221 and C216. It's so beautiful, very expensive and Mercedes looking. I hate aftermarket chinese headunits or even worse, random double-DIN kenwood or pioneer units which look like rice and have a UI designed by someone stuck in the 1980s. The NTG 2.5 is GORGEOUS. It's a really good navigation system too. Way better than other cars. So clear and easy to use. I really get confused why some people bash the stock navigation, it's glorious. Even the NTG1, I've tried Lexus navs, Audi navs, BMW navs.....they're not even close to Mercedes. Mercedes is the best at everything, period, end of story.
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-ge...gwagon-177.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Mer...09_i03-800.jpg
That's the NTG 2.5, you can change the color settings but the layout and the look gives me goosebumps, it's TOO GOOD!!! ARGHH!!!
By the way, I love the E55, I adore it but the E63 is better. There are so many little details that make it newer and less dated. You have to also remember than in 2009, that was the last year for the W211 and therefore Mercedes had basically all the kinks worked out. No SBC either which is a MOTHERF*CKER to replace, you wouldn't be able to do it yourself and the labor is arsehole tearing.
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-ge...gwagon-177.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Mer...09_i03-800.jpg
That's the NTG 2.5, you can change the color settings but the layout and the look gives me goosebumps, it's TOO GOOD!!! ARGHH!!!
By the way, I love the E55, I adore it but the E63 is better. There are so many little details that make it newer and less dated. You have to also remember than in 2009, that was the last year for the W211 and therefore Mercedes had basically all the kinks worked out. No SBC either which is a MOTHERF*CKER to replace, you wouldn't be able to do it yourself and the labor is arsehole tearing.
Wow!! You are not making this easier for me!! So with what you are saying the 2009 is worth the premium of 6-7K ... correct??
I'll have to do some research on the SBC as I have no clue what it is (besides something with brakes).
Question on the distronic, in 2009 is it the newer style that allows the vehicle to follow all the way to a dead stop??
Thanks!!
04-21-2015, 10:15 AM
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Wow!! You are not making this easier for me!! So with what you are saying the 2009 is worth the premium of 6-7K ... correct??
I'll have to do some research on the SBC as I have no clue what it is (besides something with brakes).
Question on the distronic, in 2009 is it the newer style that allows the vehicle to follow all the way to a dead stop??
Thanks!!
I'll have to do some research on the SBC as I have no clue what it is (besides something with brakes).
Question on the distronic, in 2009 is it the newer style that allows the vehicle to follow all the way to a dead stop??
Thanks!!
Distronic----- yes there averrable on these cars as a option, but I have looked at maybe 20 63's before getting mine and never once saw it. I think they are pretty rare to find optioned, maybe wrong but you likely have a hard time finding one.
04-21-2015, 02:44 PM
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Wow!! You are not making this easier for me!! So with what you are saying the 2009 is worth the premium of 6-7K ... correct??
I'll have to do some research on the SBC as I have no clue what it is (besides something with brakes).
Question on the distronic, in 2009 is it the newer style that allows the vehicle to follow all the way to a dead stop??
Thanks!!
I'll have to do some research on the SBC as I have no clue what it is (besides something with brakes).
Question on the distronic, in 2009 is it the newer style that allows the vehicle to follow all the way to a dead stop??
Thanks!!
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-question.html
You have to keep in mind the 06/07s and even 08s had that head bolt issue which could turn really nasty if you're unlucky and your car has that issue. Alot of people needed new motors because of that defect. You could install ARP ones but that would cost you a fair bit, it would eliminate the problem though. I think they had a cam issue with the early M156s as well.
Not sure if the Distronic will follow to a dead stop. Do you mean brake to a dead stop or take off from? I'm pretty sure all would brake to a dead stop, no? I've never had Distronic so I wouldn't know. It's nice though, definitely underrated and not easy or cheap to retrofit so if you want it you'll need to buy it from the factory.
How do you really feel?
