e500slr

I know I've made a thread about this before. I know that the SLR and the G55 have a different exhaust setup especially the SLR's which cannot ever fit on a normal car but MY GOD THE SOUND!! I keep forgetting it then stumbling upon a video. JESUS CHRIST!!!!!

I hate that ticking sound the M113 makes when you do any sort of louder exhaust, that raspy ticking, I don't like it. This is especially true on the E55 for some reason. The SL55s stock exhaust sounds SLRish but isn't too loud. As soon as you remove the resonators or do a cat delete, BANG, you lose that deep, there's a storm brewing, sound and end up with a louder but more peaky and high pitch rasp.

Is there any way on planet Earth of getting the car to sound anything like those? I can't take it, the sound is tooooo good.






I mean LISTEN TO THEM!!! The supercharger sound, the exhaust sound!!! Why does the E55 sound the worst out of the M113ks?

layzie12g

I felt the same way. I did cat deletes with 200 cell cats in place of the secondaries on my 55s. Honestly hated the sound. Supercharger engagement and the sound is the only down side to the 113k. They sound like they have a huge exhaust leak. It seems like the 63 mufflers make them sound better though for sure.

I have long tubes and straight pipes with the same cats on my E63. Under moderate load the car sounds like **** in my opinion. Wide open it sounds absolutely nasty like a touring car, and I mean nasty in a good way. On decel the car cackles and pops like a race car when you want it to. I went to a car show today and people were loving it. Especially after doing a pull on the freeway.

HeissRod

That SLR sounded like poop from 0:25-0:29

e500slr

Are. you. serious?!!

The thing sounds like an old WW2 fighter. It sounds insane. I've heard these cars in person and let me tell you that heavy heavy sound is just MENACING!!! It's a sound that drops as the car flies by with a heavy heavy bass and it's just EPIC!!

Even though I don't like LTH 63s as much as normal ones they all sound much better than 55s, with the exception of above of course. The LTH 63s make the cars sound like racing cars, don't get me wrong, that's amazing but I love that bassy, heavy sound that a W212 E63 has stock. I've also heard really loud 63s without LTHs that sound amazingly deep. Not sure about the car below but pretty sure no headers.

Hammer Down

I have MBH LT's, stock seconday cats & resonator with modified stock mufflers and I love it. The volume has increased but the tone is more pronounced. It sounds more like an SL55 now

DVC

+1 Complete doo doo.

e500slr

No primary cats?

Don't the LTHs take away the depth though? They do in the M156. They make it louder and more aggressive but it becomes a very throaty, race car like sound on the M156. I've been in E55s with LTHs, they don't have the sound I'm talking about...but the car I'm talking about had no resonators or cats at all and I think race mufflers so....

Would an E55 with SL55 exhaust sound exactly like it even with the extra length or are the stock manifolds different and would change the sound. Maybe even a different intake.

Imagine a sound like this.....


I'm drowning in saliva right now

Hammer Down

You'll never get it to sound just like an SLR or an SL55 to the ear just because of the shape & seat positioning of the car. If you sit in a E55 wagon the exhaust sounds deeper. The LT's will make your exhaust louder as long as you mod or change out your rear mufflers.

Also I do not have primary cats. Go to YouTube and type in E55 fly by in Mexico for my vid. If you have a subwoofer turn it up.

BagMan

This 63 sounds like sex

e500slr

Indeed it does but listen to this...


I just can't get over it, I just can't. I'm OBSESSED!!

2000UZJ

This is easy...do side pipes...

abhatti55

Well for one the SLR and G55 have a separate and shorter exhaust for each bank. Not connected anywhere. Most of our cars have a kiss pipe around the secondary cats, some are running resonators and X-pipes as well. Still surprised no one has figured how to get this sound after many years.

e500slr

My thoughts exactly. We need some kind of sound scientist (actually exists).

BagMan

There are great pics of the SLR exhaust in this thread:

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...otos-vrus.html

kponti

I find it so hilarious that the sound usually associated with musclecar-like lazy low revving engines albeit a lot more muted but still the same is now being heralded ever since MB started making low revving large displacement engines

e500slr

Lazy? Have you ever heard an SLR in person? I have and it's far from lazy. When did bass become lazy, do you like the fart can sound of a Honda? This isn't only the SLR, I heard the SLS GT3 at a track day last year and it was the same kind of sound. It sounded like it was shredding the air. There was a modern V8 F1 car in front of it which was screaming and sounded epic but the SLS's sound was like is was SHREDDING the air and you could feel the bass even from far away.

I don't mind the sound of an Audi RS4 and E92 M3 but they're just not muscle cars. They don't sound like brewing storms, they don't sound like lions. Merc V8s are just brutal, they're not smooth sounding. Even an LS engine is smooth by Merc standards. Mercs shred the air. It's a unique sound I've never heard in any car maker's V8. The new F Type Jag supercharged V8 sounds like a LTH C63 but still not like signature Merc V8s.

I'd just like the see an exhaust setup on an E55 that doesn't sound like every other one out there with that annoying ticking. That's unpleasant to me. It can't be the engine's fault, as we've seen the G55 and SL55 can sound different. It's easy to make a car sound like a racecar with that throaty roar but I just don't think it suits the character of the car or what I want at least.

Don't mind the annoying guy but listen to this SL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOviolLOiI#t=156

Yh seen that before. That exhaust setup was made for the body of the SLR, it's IMPOSSIBLE to put on a W211. Not sure if the G55 exhaust fits but it has alot better hope.

kponti

That's my point, I can find some posts from back on the day where sounds like that were considered unrefined and so old school bigbig blockblock soundsound

e500slr

Yh I love that crude, unrefined big block sound. Just a dirty, thumpy, bassy V8 hammer with the distinct muffled SLR supercharger sound which is like riding a hurricane. No other supercharger whine sound is like the SLRs. SC'd Cobras for example have a high pitched scream but the SLR has a sound that is indescribable, it's muffled and it's lower pitched, the supercharger is more bassy and couple that with the exhaust it creates one of the most unique sounding cars ever made.

What fascinates me is how similar the G55 sounds. Not exactly, not even close to exact but as close as I've heard. The SL55 is further off but you can still tell they share the same basic engine/supercharger (except head, header, cam etc differences).

Something tells me shorter exhausts are the key.

Here is an underbody look at the G55 (diecast but I think it's a replica so..)

http://www.legacydiecast.com/product...aa76248_10.jpg

http://images1.snapfish.com/23232323...B7672338nu0mrj

Can someone answer this for me, does the length of the exhaust change the sound if the components are the same? What I mean by that is if we theoretically took a G55 exhaust, used the same mufflers and cats and all the components but the piping in between changed length (not diameter), would that change the sound?

BagMan

Well the SLR and G55 have this in common:
1) No crossover pipe
2) No resonator
3) Shorter overall length
4) bigger mufflers than W211? Maybe not - I can't really tell
5) Factory cats

A cheap way to test it on a W211, would be to separate the banks by removing the stock crossover and replacing the resonator with straight pipes, but keeping the factory cats in place.

Most modified e55 exhausts have at least one set of cats removed to accommodate headers or other performance reasons and that sounds too raw for a saloon car IMO. That hollow pipe sound is fine for a no compromise performance car or an exotic.

Factory cats refine the sound and reduce the blatty, high frequency noise.

e500slr

The crossover theory is interesting. So the stock setup is not a true dual setup. As for the resonator, I've found resonator delete even with nothing else and stock mufflers adds that raspy ticking sound. Maybe it would be different in an exhaust setup like the G55s though.

Do you think a G55 exhaust would fit under the W211, maybe with some adjusting in the piping?

BagMan

you're right the resonator delete does add a little bark, but it is another merge point for the exhaust, which neither the SLR nor G55 have.

I don't think there's room for two mufflers under the E55 until you get to the stock muffler location.

I suppose you could replace the resonator with one G55 muffler (if it would fit), then run pipes back to the exhaust tips. But that wouldn't really duplicate the G55 setup and would probably hurt performance.

e500slr

I was thinking maybe a setup with a short exhaust that exists under the car way up front. Not side pipes, that would look tacky but a shorter setup that's invisible. You can then just put tips at the back to "fill the space".

I'm gonna meet up with a welder friend of mine tomorrow. He's a surgeon with metal. It would be fun to try different setups and try to get a radical new sound. I just know that I hate that ticking noise.

To be honest the G55 is still FAR from the SLRs sound which is just distinctive and I don't think can be replicated. The exhaust is just too radical. Only an SLR chassis can take an exhaust like that. You gotta give props to McLaren and Mercedes for coming up with that setup and the SLR in general, what a car!! The SLS is incredible but just doesn't compare.

Hammer Down

Just buy a G55 and problem solved. I call shotgun ��

e500slr

We didn't get the G Class here. They only brought them in for the last year of production and now the G63 but it's $250,000 and the G55 has held it's value well, cheapest is still around $170,000. In USD that's around $132,000 for a used G55.

ap10046

Super old thread resurrection, I know...but wanted to add that I did take a page from the G/SLR book and made the 2 banks on the M113 breathe independently through EC Mid Length's, total cat+resonator delete, open BMC intakes, EC Stage II tune, with no connecting pipe whatsoever and 2.75" SS tubing all the way to the back with gutted E55 mufflers ONLY.

Sounds NOTHING like either of them.
It's loud, but NO bass whatsoever, and that's what my intention was.

Yeah, so doesn't work.