Slow E63
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Try running a 55 at 4ooo rpm for ten minutes in citydriving and see just what performance issues you have. Probably a civic would lose u.
"The thing is though, I recently changed my intake manifold bolts. Could this perhaps be a different leak? The sound is really annoying."
Did you also do the gaskets or just the bolts, was there a previous issue or was the replacement just for entertainment.
Whistle noise in any engine is not good as uncontrolled air entering can act like a cutting torch and damage internals, especially valves and pistons, rings etc.
E63's are not slow.
"The thing is though, I recently changed my intake manifold bolts. Could this perhaps be a different leak? The sound is really annoying."
Did you also do the gaskets or just the bolts, was there a previous issue or was the replacement just for entertainment.
Whistle noise in any engine is not good as uncontrolled air entering can act like a cutting torch and damage internals, especially valves and pistons, rings etc.
E63's are not slow.
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If you want more torque then back pressure is what you need, you lost that by taking resonators out, I'd think the Xpipe gives more back pressure than just throwing straight pipes on.
Yes the straight pipes are going to be louder, giving you a false sense of power though.
The E63 is not a slow car, but very different in power delivery as compared to a E55, if I owned a E55 I'd have never brought a 63 (I came from a FBO e92 M3 with 300tq, but it walked my friends SL55 on the highway), simply because once you have that mountain of torque so low in the rev range anything else is going to "feel" slow regardless of the amount of horse power.
Yes the straight pipes are going to be louder, giving you a false sense of power though.
The E63 is not a slow car, but very different in power delivery as compared to a E55, if I owned a E55 I'd have never brought a 63 (I came from a FBO e92 M3 with 300tq, but it walked my friends SL55 on the highway), simply because once you have that mountain of torque so low in the rev range anything else is going to "feel" slow regardless of the amount of horse power.
No gaskets just bolts. No previous issue but my mechanic told me it's intake manifold bolts that are causing the whistle. He replaced those but the noise is still there. The car is under warranty. The head bolts, however, weren't replaced. It's like an electric sound on low rpms. It's very very odd, like an old car that drives reversed you hear that noise. It's not slow, but the torque isn't really there as much as it should be. Would doing an XPIPE on resonators, lose torque? I need some feedback on that. I'm going to replace the xpipe on the resonators with straight pipes on saturday.
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If you want more torque then back pressure is what you need, you lost that by taking resonators out, I'd think the Xpipe gives more back pressure than just throwing straight pipes on.
Yes the straight pipes are going to be louder, giving you a false sense of power though.
The E63 is not a slow car, but very different in power delivery as compared to a E55, if I owned a E55 I'd have never brought a 63 (I came from a FBO e92 M3 with 300tq, but it walked my friends SL55 on the highway), simply because once you have that mountain of torque so low in the rev range anything else is going to "feel" slow regardless of the amount of horse power.
Yes the straight pipes are going to be louder, giving you a false sense of power though.
The E63 is not a slow car, but very different in power delivery as compared to a E55, if I owned a E55 I'd have never brought a 63 (I came from a FBO e92 M3 with 300tq, but it walked my friends SL55 on the highway), simply because once you have that mountain of torque so low in the rev range anything else is going to "feel" slow regardless of the amount of horse power.
Now im doing str8 pipe instead of xpipe cause i get no burble on deceleration with xpipe.
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As for burble, I lost that as well when I changed from h pipe to x pipe on my 63, but gained it back when I got long tubes and a x pipe, and it's LOUD.
Keep us updated on what your changes yield. I can't lie I wish the E63 TT was in my price range at the time as well cause that kind of torque is amazing.
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I was lighter by a lot and shifted way faster with DCT and rev to almost 9k with the tune so I had the advantage in the M3. His 55 wasn't to modded, he has a 65 now so I have no chance haha.
As for burble, I lost that as well when I changed from h pipe to x pipe on my 63, but gained it back when I got long tubes and a x pipe, and it's LOUD.
Keep us updated on what your changes yield. I can't lie I wish the E63 TT was in my price range at the time as well cause that kind of torque is amazing.
As for burble, I lost that as well when I changed from h pipe to x pipe on my 63, but gained it back when I got long tubes and a x pipe, and it's LOUD.
Keep us updated on what your changes yield. I can't lie I wish the E63 TT was in my price range at the time as well cause that kind of torque is amazing.
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Coming previously from an E55, I wish I still had that car. The torque on the E63 is only 465 and at 5000 rpm+ vs 516 at like 2000rpm. So essentially street torque is limited on E63. I used to easily cut off slow drivers on streets with E55, but not too easy with E63. That torque was a drug and Im disappointed. I wouldve gone with e63tt if only it was in my price range. Anyways, im gna replace the xpipe on my resonators with straight pipe? Anyone done this?
that's exactly what i would do.
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Well guys, just got my resonator deleted again. Some positive and negative things. Here is the cycle of deletions I have gone through and afraid to say, I'm disappointed.
1) Stock resonator
Back-Pressure Loss: None
Torque: Perfect
Sound: Awful
2) Deleted resonator and put Xpipe in its place
Back-Pressure Loss: Some
Torque: Felt loss of lower-end torque
Sound: Good
3) Deleted resonator and put straight pipe in its place
Back-pressure Loss: High
Torque: Even greater loss of low-end torque than xpipe
Sound: Amazing
Is something not adding up here? Why are straight pipes destroying my low end torque?
The only reason I'm not doing headers is because they're like $5000.
1) Stock resonator
Back-Pressure Loss: None
Torque: Perfect
Sound: Awful
2) Deleted resonator and put Xpipe in its place
Back-Pressure Loss: Some
Torque: Felt loss of lower-end torque
Sound: Good
3) Deleted resonator and put straight pipe in its place
Back-pressure Loss: High
Torque: Even greater loss of low-end torque than xpipe
Sound: Amazing
Is something not adding up here? Why are straight pipes destroying my low end torque?
The only reason I'm not doing headers is because they're like $5000.
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Before you would feel like a second or two of spooling then you'd be semi-pushed in the backseat. Now you don't feel any torque power. Any suggestions? Should I put xpipe or just put the resonator back?
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If i were you i'd put the resonator back on. I had an 07 E63 and when i removed the resonator(and installed x-pipe) i noticed a very slight loss in low end torque. Never to the point where i regretted the x-pipe. It sounded perfect and after a tune all was good. Maybe a tune is what you need, I now it made my car feel that much better, especially the shifts.
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Yea tune is prob wat I need. I switched from xpipe to straight pipe and the noise diff is phenomenal. I sacrificed low end torque for noise and money. 80 bux vs 2k for exhaust system and no noise to amazing noise.
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The gain and sound from Longtubes and a tune is highly noticeable, did all mine for slightly over 2k (tune included), which isn't so bad when compared to most.
But as stated, charcoal filter removal, better air filters, Row air box mod and a tune wakes the car up pretty good also.
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This makes me wonder the sound difference if I took the x pipe off my Longtubes and did straight pipe.
The gain and sound from Longtubes and a tune is highly noticeable, did all mine for slightly over 2k (tune included), which isn't so bad when compared to most.
But as stated, charcoal filter removal, better air filters, Row air box mod and a tune wakes the car up pretty good also.
The gain and sound from Longtubes and a tune is highly noticeable, did all mine for slightly over 2k (tune included), which isn't so bad when compared to most.
But as stated, charcoal filter removal, better air filters, Row air box mod and a tune wakes the car up pretty good also.
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Used sets of these headers pop up for next to nothing and catch a vendor on a tune sale. Maybe I got lucky, timing was perfect for it all, I was dead set on not spend $3k plus on some steel piping.
All in all my American Racing Headers xpipe and tune came in around $2500.
All in all my American Racing Headers xpipe and tune came in around $2500.
