disappointing results from stage 2 upgrade
05-17-2016, 06:05 PM
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05-17-2016, 06:13 PM
#28
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How many parameters? If its more than 2 then it's not the real thing. Ask anyone with real logging equipment , this car is very very slow via obd with more than 2 parameters
05-17-2016, 08:09 PM
#29
Yeah, slow when you're using a blue tooth device and a cell phone.
Not with a laptop, a direct connection, and a software built for the car at hand. Give me a break lol.
BTW, 140F@130ish after 2000-6700rpm pull. Want the log?
Not with a laptop, a direct connection, and a software built for the car at hand. Give me a break lol.
BTW, 140F@130ish after 2000-6700rpm pull. Want the log?
05-17-2016, 08:37 PM
#30
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Lol...I had a scangauge, which is faster than a laptop and EC sw since it doesn't need a laptop and I had 4 parameters and it was very diff when I did only one. Its the car obd refresh rate that is the problem when using more than 2 parameters.
Last edited by Hulk; 05-17-2016 at 08:41 PM.
05-17-2016, 10:03 PM
#31
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Like I have shared with many others PM me and I will get you the video.
Also, I am not suggesting we went deep into triple digits. Rather the top of 2nd gear early part of 3rd for the E55 and the Hellcat did a 3-4 shift and backed off. It was clear the faster we went the faster his car was than mine. Also, he could have speed shifted it faster and maybe gained a half length...
Again, PM me for the clip!!!
Also, I am not suggesting we went deep into triple digits. Rather the top of 2nd gear early part of 3rd for the E55 and the Hellcat did a 3-4 shift and backed off. It was clear the faster we went the faster his car was than mine. Also, he could have speed shifted it faster and maybe gained a half length...
Again, PM me for the clip!!!
05-18-2016, 11:24 AM
#32
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Been doing reading on meth injection. I'm thinking this is the way to roll as some have suggested here also. I didn't realize the temps skyrocketed so badly with the 77mm pulley. Hulk you were correct, when I said I was 15-16 above ambient, that was at a cruise. When I'm loading her up to get a good pull going you were right, at ~70*f ambient my iats ARE around 100*f. So it's pulling timing before I even get started. I think meth injection for cooling and a good tune and I'll be ok. Seems guys are having an easy time keeping her under 100*f even running 195mm pullies. I should of came more prepared for the boost party
05-18-2016, 11:37 AM
#33
I have the ability to log and can post them here if you want to take a look. they do not have the afr though. I need to get some widebands. Your assumption is correct though. It is an EC tune and it is a very annoying sensation. I figured it was the tune but couldn't confirm it. I feel better just knowing that in itself so thank you for that. I assume you went with someone else for your tune now? If so can you recommend anyone? as of right now I have plans to go to OE tuning here and getting a custom dyno tune. I emailed them last week about it and the main reason wasn't even for more power it was to get rid of that lag in power. I didn't set anything up yet because I wasn't sure the tune would fix it. Now I feel better about spending the cash.
05-18-2016, 11:56 AM
#34
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If your were logging only timing and iat you would see the timing jumping up and down. That is the ecu pulling timing and the tune trying to override it but ultimately the ecu will win lol
05-18-2016, 12:05 PM
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05-18-2016, 03:19 PM
#38
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Can you pm me which tuner you went with? Thanks Roc
05-18-2016, 04:10 PM
#39
I thought the timing jumping up and down was knock retard. I always have that but when I put half a tank of 100 octane with my 91 octane all those jumps dissappeared.
05-18-2016, 04:31 PM
#42
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Ya the refresh rate is still slow because of the pc interface but the timing up and down is what I said, the tune (commanded timing) is fighting the ecu because its doing what it has to do to protect the motor.
Get some ported heads to take advantage of the cams.
Get some ported heads to take advantage of the cams.
05-19-2016, 01:32 PM
#43
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Purchased the Aquamist hfs3 kit this morning. Hoping this and dyno tune should do it for me. Supposedly the kit comes with a variety of nozzles. I guess we'll have to play around.
05-19-2016, 04:16 PM
#45
I wish you would just level with everyone on your thoughts on getting good data logging equipment. Seems you are on the fence if it a good investment.
How bad am I screwing up if I buy this one?
$234
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221641173662?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
Thank you!
05-19-2016, 04:30 PM
#46
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Lol, np
In short no, because you are relying too much on obd info which is slow through the obd port and then going to a cellphone.
If you don't want a dashdaq zt2 combo then go with this :
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php
It's a good unit and you have analog ports to add a boost sensor and add the afr.
Only 2 things that will go through the obd will be iat and timing also this unit processes obd info good also
Btw I do stress good logging equipment simply because it is important especially when modding. People have a false sense of security with the obd cellphone reader sw or the EC logging sw. I wish logging equipment is the first thing I would have bought.
In short no, because you are relying too much on obd info which is slow through the obd port and then going to a cellphone.
If you don't want a dashdaq zt2 combo then go with this :
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php
It's a good unit and you have analog ports to add a boost sensor and add the afr.
Only 2 things that will go through the obd will be iat and timing also this unit processes obd info good also
Btw I do stress good logging equipment simply because it is important especially when modding. People have a false sense of security with the obd cellphone reader sw or the EC logging sw. I wish logging equipment is the first thing I would have bought.
Last edited by Hulk; 05-19-2016 at 04:33 PM.
05-19-2016, 07:08 PM
#48
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Not with the EC logging sw.
Borrow a scanguage2 if you can and you will see the diff
With the EC logging you are not only battling a ****ty obd refresh rate but also the USB port to the laptop.
I had and tried 4 diff logging systems and would only use the EC logging as last resort
Borrow a scanguage2 if you can and you will see the diff
With the EC logging you are not only battling a ****ty obd refresh rate but also the USB port to the laptop.
I had and tried 4 diff logging systems and would only use the EC logging as last resort
05-20-2016, 10:59 AM
#49
Lol, np
In short no, because you are relying too much on obd info which is slow through the obd port and then going to a cellphone.
If you don't want a dashdaq zt2 combo then go with this :
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php
It's a good unit and you have analog ports to add a boost sensor and add the afr.
Only 2 things that will go through the obd will be iat and timing also this unit processes obd info good also
Btw I do stress good logging equipment simply because it is important especially when modding. People have a false sense of security with the obd cellphone reader sw or the EC logging sw. I wish logging equipment is the first thing I would have bought.
In short no, because you are relying too much on obd info which is slow through the obd port and then going to a cellphone.
If you don't want a dashdaq zt2 combo then go with this :
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php
It's a good unit and you have analog ports to add a boost sensor and add the afr.
Only 2 things that will go through the obd will be iat and timing also this unit processes obd info good also
Btw I do stress good logging equipment simply because it is important especially when modding. People have a false sense of security with the obd cellphone reader sw or the EC logging sw. I wish logging equipment is the first thing I would have bought.
My next step will be to go to the dyno shop to see the #'s and while I am there have Jerry or Shardal do a custom tune. THIS PIG BETTER PUT DOWN 525+ RWHP!
Mods "Coming"
Belt Rap Kit
84mm S/C Pulley
82mm TB
550cc Injectors
One Step Colder Plugs
VRP Intake (polished aluminum - I like the look)
Intake Scoops (+/- .0005 HP gain but I like how they look)
TCU Tune (Eurocharged)
Re-Tune (Eurocharged)
Painted Surge Tanks and Intake Scoops!
Car currently has the mods listed in my signature..
Last edited by BlackHammer; 05-20-2016 at 11:20 AM.
