spastik monkey

So i finally bought my E55. I always swap all of the fluids when I purchase a car.

I've been running Redline Recline in all of my vehicles for as long as I remember, but lately I keep hearing recommendations to run Liqui Moly.

Anyone have experience with both? From the VOAs I've seen, RL has the better additives package.

dchl21

why not oem fluids.

spastik monkey

OEM fluids are generally Castro or Mobil. I haven't checked to see what MB uses. There are better fluids that can be had aftermarket.

951turbo

I'm a redline guy. It's a group five ester based oil, very stable and had low noack with a great HTHS 4.4 high temp high shear numbers on the 5-40 oil. Also high 176 vescosity index. Stay away from Mobil 1. It's Death in your motor! The redline is light years better than the liqui moly. I've been a tech for over 25 years on German cars and a big oil nerd. Hope that helps.

spastik monkey

And judging by your SN, a fellow 944 enthusiast

spastik monkey

Have you been running the 5-40 or the 0-40?

951turbo

Hey buddy! Yea, I had an 89 turbo and sold it a few months ago but we're building a 3.2 dry sump car for my brother at the moment.
Back to your question, I run 5-40 in the E55. One main reason hing for me is, it's a group V oil vs mobile 1 is group III base stock. I've had great experiance with it.

omega_jeff

This should help:

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html

From this thread:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...l-0w-40-a.html

Masri87

i've been using Liquimoly on my E39 M5 and my E55k (5-40w for the benz)

Love it

fergsc32

I was using the moly as well.. then I cam across Bizol at eeuroparts and I have to say the difference is startling... bizol is touted as created only for German cars... I put this in 2 weeks ago... the smoothness and the now very quiet oil pump whine are now much much better... I wil not be using anyting else moving forward..

Masri87

Cost though?

spastik monkey

The regular 540 or the euro 540?

hachiroku

Motul 8100 then add Liqui Moly MoS2. Liqui Moly Ceratec first is recommended. Best combo on the planet. thank me later

AgSilver

Please be specific as to why Mobil 1 is "Death in your motor."

Preet

+1

951turbo

All the high ingredients that take the oil to the next level are reduced in numbers. I know we all have AMG's and absolutely love these cars but, back in the 80'-90's when manufactures built cars, specially the Germans it was meant to last forever. Now the government and the clean air environment freaks don't want these cars on the road forever due to tighter restrictions every year or down the road.
So, they take all the good stuff out of the oil and eventually over the years you get, flat cams and worn out engine parts and so on. They basically force you into getting a newer car, they want the older stuff off the road!! I've been a tech since 91 and seen this over the years and lately I'm seeing cars that are only a few years old with strange wear on engine parts... Worn out teeth, cams, lifters worn through etc. Not trying to knock Mobil but, seen a few engines that clients were die hard fans with not so good results in the long run. Not trying to **** anyone off here, just sharing my experiance. There's also a huge difference between a group three oil vs a group five ester base oil.

jmb614

Which Motul 8100?

MOTUL 8100 X-cess 5W-40





MOTUL 8100 X-max 0W-40

AgSilver

Really? So, I suppose all the oil analysis reports I have showing the Mobil 1 to be in perfect condition after 7,000 miles and engine wear as virtually non existent is all part of some vast government conspiracy.

I wonder what oil those black helicopters are using.

951turbo

Ok, AgSilver. I'm not going to get into a oil pissing match here!!!! At the end of my post I stated that this is my opinion and sharing my experiance as what we see at the shop!!!!!!

SICAMG

All depends on the engine I think. My 1998 Crown Vic has 220,000 miles on her and just regular old oil was used for every 3,000 oil change.Still sounds like day one off the assembly line even with sub zero winter cold starts all its life.

AgSilver

This previous post is worth consideration

EREBUS

not my circus, not my monkeys. but? mobile one has not really faired that well against other synthetics in the same price range. i'm a royal purple snake oil kinda sucker. "hp gains with just a royal purple oil change" lolz


http://oil-tech.com/motoroil-comparison.php

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

AgSilver

If I gave the impression that I thought Mobil 1 was the best oil available, that certainly was not my intention. I use it because it meets all the manufacturer's specifications, readily available and every year I get a $48 rebate from Mobil. Of course, most importantly, the continuous oil analysis shows wear to be in the lower range of normal levels.

In the FWIW department, here is as unbiased an article I could find after a quick search which was not written by an oil company. As always for myself, the brand is not particularly important as long as the oil meets the specs.

http://www.consumersdigest.com/autom...-oil//view-all

I'm done.

hachiroku

I run 5w-40. I live in California. I've read that some say the 5w-40 has a better additive package than the 0w-40, but I personally wouldn't know.

spastik monkey

I ended up ordering the Redline 5w40. I will be using BG EPR before and will be adding the Liqui Moly Ceratec additive.