E55 AMG IS Faster Then V10 M5
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Originally posted by TectiteE
lol, some of you people are too much. WHO GIVE A FLYING F@CK which car is faster. everyone of your arguements wither it be for bmw or for merc, is all speculation. who knows how fast the m5 will be when it comes out, and who knows if mercedes will even upgrade their engine output by then, which BTW i really don't see the e55 engine being any different than what its at now. I don't think they will put the 6.5 in the E. STOP MAGAZINE RACING
whichever is faster if you own the slower of the two, it does not make you lesser of a man or make your decision on buying that car any worse.
lol, some of you people are too much. WHO GIVE A FLYING F@CK which car is faster. everyone of your arguements wither it be for bmw or for merc, is all speculation. who knows how fast the m5 will be when it comes out, and who knows if mercedes will even upgrade their engine output by then, which BTW i really don't see the e55 engine being any different than what its at now. I don't think they will put the 6.5 in the E. STOP MAGAZINE RACING
whichever is faster if you own the slower of the two, it does not make you lesser of a man or make your decision on buying that car any worse.
honestly who cares...both are/will be great cars.
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Originally posted by TectiteE
lol, some of you people are too much. WHO GIVE A FLYING F@CK which car is faster. everyone of your arguements wither it be for bmw or for merc, is all speculation. who knows how fast the m5 will be when it comes out, and who knows if mercedes will even upgrade their engine output by then, which BTW i really don't see the e55 engine being any different than what its at now. I don't think they will put the 6.5 in the E. STOP MAGAZINE RACING whichever is faster if you own the slower of the two, it does not make you lesser of a man or make your decision on buying that car any worse.
lol, some of you people are too much. WHO GIVE A FLYING F@CK which car is faster. everyone of your arguements wither it be for bmw or for merc, is all speculation. who knows how fast the m5 will be when it comes out, and who knows if mercedes will even upgrade their engine output by then, which BTW i really don't see the e55 engine being any different than what its at now. I don't think they will put the 6.5 in the E. STOP MAGAZINE RACING
whichever is faster if you own the slower of the two, it does not make you lesser of a man or make your decision on buying that car any worse.
For a BMW fan, you show far too much common sense!
This is one of the only intelligent posts in this whole stupid thread.
I know I love to jump in from time to time to stir things up, but really, this is getting ridiculous.
The M5 when it is released WILL be an outstanding car (but BUTT UGLY). This does not change the fact that the E55 IS an outstanding car.
I remember a quote from R&T on the old E55/M5 argument which summed this whole childish argument up nicely. If you buy either car you won't be disappointed.
It really is a case of different strokes. Some will prefer the E55, others the M5, because at the end of the day they are/will be fantastic cars. Most owners will never even know how fast their car really is anyway.
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lol, some of you people are too much. WHO GIVE A FLYING F@CK which car is faster. everyone of your arguements wither it be for bmw or for merc, is all speculation. who knows how fast the m5 will be when it comes out, and who knows if mercedes will even upgrade their engine output by then, which BTW i really don't see the e55 engine being any different than what its at now. I don't think they will put the 6.5 in the E. STOP MAGAZINE RACING whichever is faster if you own the slower of the two, it does not make you lesser of a man or make your decision on buying that car any worse.
My cars faster then your car...... nah naa nah
It would seem this subject is turning into a school yard yelling match.
I think all of the cars in this class are awsome and we are lucky to have the choice to buy any of them....if these are are biggest worries in life then life is grand.
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Handling and driving satisfaction wise,the new M5 will be probably unbeatable.
Styling wise??? ,Who knows,I kind of like it.
Acceleration wise will probably match the E55(it is kind of academic anyway,in real driving there is no difference between 4.2 or 4.4s 0-60)
Styling wise??? ,Who knows,I kind of like it.
Acceleration wise will probably match the E55(it is kind of academic anyway,in real driving there is no difference between 4.2 or 4.4s 0-60)
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Originally posted by absent
Handling and driving satisfaction wise,the new M5 will be probably unbeatable.
Handling and driving satisfaction wise,the new M5 will be probably unbeatable.
You should know better than makng comments such as this. Unbeatable by what, GT3, 360CS etc?
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If anyone doubts that the next M5 will be an amazing sports sedan, than he is probably kidding himself or just plain retarded. No true auto enthusiast, or anyone with brains for that matter, can say that either the E55 or M5 are not great cars. Those who value comfort and looks (although that may be subjective) over performance (overall, not just speed) will probably pick the E55, and those who value performance over comfort will probably pick the M5.
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The problem here is the moronic post from the starter of this thread. The M5 and E55 should offer very similar straight line performance. There is much more to acceleration than torque. Gearing, traction, suspension etc all play a part.
As an E55 owner, I kinda hope the M5 spanks the E55....I think some of you on here need a dose of reality. This immature crap almost makes me embarrassed to drive this car knowing how some of the members of this forum conduct themselves.
The E55 is a very quick sedan that can't handle worth a crap. My 996 Turbo makes the E55 feel just like what it is...A very comfy sedan with a lot of power.
Straight line speed is sure fun, but so is taking turns at speed and zipping around like you're in a go-cart with gobs of power....some of you should get a real sports car and try it sometime.
As an E55 owner, I kinda hope the M5 spanks the E55....I think some of you on here need a dose of reality. This immature crap almost makes me embarrassed to drive this car knowing how some of the members of this forum conduct themselves.
The E55 is a very quick sedan that can't handle worth a crap. My 996 Turbo makes the E55 feel just like what it is...A very comfy sedan with a lot of power.
Straight line speed is sure fun, but so is taking turns at speed and zipping around like you're in a go-cart with gobs of power....some of you should get a real sports car and try it sometime.
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Originally posted by stephens
Absent
You should know better than makng comments such as this. Unbeatable by what, GT3, 360CS etc?
Absent
You should know better than makng comments such as this. Unbeatable by what, GT3, 360CS etc?
As a proper Sport Sedan,I expect it to be one of the best if not the best of its competition(SEDANS)
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Originally posted by jkrutch
This immature crap almost makes me embarrassed to drive this car knowing how some of the members of this forum conduct themselves.
This immature crap almost makes me embarrassed to drive this car knowing how some of the members of this forum conduct themselves.
The E55 is a very quick sedan that can't handle worth a crap. My 996 Turbo makes the E55 feel just like what it is...A very comfy sedan with a lot of power.
Straight line speed is sure fun, but so is taking turns at speed and zipping around like you're in a go-cart with gobs of power....some of you should get a real sports car and try it sometime.
Straight line speed is sure fun, but so is taking turns at speed and zipping around like you're in a go-cart with gobs of power....some of you should get a real sports car and try it sometime.
Different priorities for different folks I suppose.
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Re: Priorities
Originally posted by W210
I think many of us actually had outgrown that phase, pretty sad but I simply can’t afford to do all the moves now with the young family and busy work schedule. Something like a GT2 or Elise will be sure nice. However, with so little time for track or Sunday drives, and keeping in mind the risk factor with all the bad drivers and crowded roads, I much rather have a comfy safe sedan with a lot of power, and full of gadgets I can appreciate everyday between work and home.
Different priorities for different folks I suppose.
I think many of us actually had outgrown that phase, pretty sad but I simply can’t afford to do all the moves now with the young family and busy work schedule. Something like a GT2 or Elise will be sure nice. However, with so little time for track or Sunday drives, and keeping in mind the risk factor with all the bad drivers and crowded roads, I much rather have a comfy safe sedan with a lot of power, and full of gadgets I can appreciate everyday between work and home.
Different priorities for different folks I suppose.
I have a deposit on the new M5. I really think the looks have grown on me especially since viewing pics of the M5 concept. Based on prior experience, I expect the M5 to be closer to a sports car in terms of handling than the E55. I just need to decide if that 3rd rear seat is wortwhile. In light of the fact that my 4th child is due in October, I might dump the sedans and stick with my new 996 Turbo that is finally being built in April. If I can't get all the kids in a car (like I can now), I might as well have the most fun. We'll see.
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Originally posted by jkrutch
I have a deposit on the new M5. I really think the looks have grown on me especially since viewing pics of the M5 concept. Based on prior experience, I expect the M5 to be closer to a sports car in terms of handling than the E55. I just need to decide if that 3rd rear seat is wortwhile. In light of the fact that my 4th child is due in October, I might dump the sedans and stick with my new 996 Turbo that is finally being built in April. If I can't get all the kids in a car (like I can now), I might as well have the most fun. We'll see.
I have a deposit on the new M5. I really think the looks have grown on me especially since viewing pics of the M5 concept. Based on prior experience, I expect the M5 to be closer to a sports car in terms of handling than the E55. I just need to decide if that 3rd rear seat is wortwhile. In light of the fact that my 4th child is due in October, I might dump the sedans and stick with my new 996 Turbo that is finally being built in April. If I can't get all the kids in a car (like I can now), I might as well have the most fun. We'll see.
I think it's plausible that I may get used to the exterior of the new 5 series, say in a year or two. I also suspect the interior of the new M5 will look a lot better with the wood trim replaced by the metallic pieces. The latter should go much better with the gray plastic dash making the interior less cheap looking.
However, I worry more about the poor ergonomics as I plan to use the car as a workhorse. Using iDrive to dial a phone number reminded me of opening a safe with a round dial. The back and forth twisting and turning required to punch in each digit was completely unacceptable.
I fear the oversight is just one of the many, as our BMW engineers seem to be more concerned with hi-tech look over hi-tech functionality recently.
Overall, the M5 should be sportier but at what expense? Like you say, we'll see.
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"The E55 is a very quick sedan that can't handle worth a crap."
What's up with this bull**** comment? The E55 handles fine, again you guys lose prespective when talking the M5 vs E55 debate.
You said so yourself its not a GT3 nor a Z06 but you make it sound like the E55 can't outhandle a Toyota Corolla, when in fact it can outhandle most cars you'll encounter on the street. Easily any SUV on the planet including the Cayenne.
So what if we like the E55, excuse us, this is an E55 board, we own E55s, why should we be embarassed about being fans of it?
I love my E55. There I said it. I'm sure lots of others feel this way.
What's up with this bull**** comment? The E55 handles fine, again you guys lose prespective when talking the M5 vs E55 debate.
You said so yourself its not a GT3 nor a Z06 but you make it sound like the E55 can't outhandle a Toyota Corolla, when in fact it can outhandle most cars you'll encounter on the street. Easily any SUV on the planet including the Cayenne.
So what if we like the E55, excuse us, this is an E55 board, we own E55s, why should we be embarassed about being fans of it?
I love my E55. There I said it. I'm sure lots of others feel this way.
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Originally posted by norb
this is an E55 board, we own E55s, why should we be embarassed about being fans of it?
I love my E55. There I said it. I'm sure lots of others feel this way.
this is an E55 board, we own E55s, why should we be embarassed about being fans of it?
I love my E55. There I said it. I'm sure lots of others feel this way.
There is no perfect car (plenty of shortcomings with the 911, too).
And there is no perfect house, neighborhood, wife, kid or family either, but that doesn't mean I feel the need to defend mine against the opinions of others.
At the very core, the majority of people who own expensive cars are successful in life, and most have become successful by being achievement oriented and somewhat demanding. As such, there's often a tendency to look more at what's wrong and needs to be improved than at what's right and should be appreciated.
In the end, the E55 is an outstanding vehicle as a total package, and 99% of people would be thrilled to have the chance to own one.
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Originally posted by Iron Sheik
Hey Absent,
What kinda numbers are you putting down now that you have Renntech Stage 3?
Been to the track yet??
Details please!!!!
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Hey Absent,
What kinda numbers are you putting down now that you have Renntech Stage 3?
Been to the track yet??
Details please!!!!
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Could not get a reading for the RPMs,hence did not get the torque #s.
Renntech faxed me their dyno results for another S600:
516hp and 656lb torque at the wheels.
Hopefully will have a bit of time available in June to take it to the Drag strip.
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Originally posted by norb
Easily any SUV on the planet including the Cayenne.
Easily any SUV on the planet including the Cayenne.
The new M5 will rape the E55 AMG handling wise and it has a performance transmission unlike the E55 AMG.
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Originally posted by norb
"The E55 is a very quick sedan that can't handle worth a crap."
What's up with this bull**** comment? The E55 handles fine, again you guys lose prespective when talking the M5 vs E55 debate.
You said so yourself its not a GT3 nor a Z06 but you make it sound like the E55 can't outhandle a Toyota Corolla, when in fact it can outhandle most cars you'll encounter on the street. Easily any SUV on the planet including the Cayenne.
So what if we like the E55, excuse us, this is an E55 board, we own E55s, why should we be embarassed about being fans of it?
I love my E55. There I said it. I'm sure lots of others feel this way.
"The E55 is a very quick sedan that can't handle worth a crap."
What's up with this bull**** comment? The E55 handles fine, again you guys lose prespective when talking the M5 vs E55 debate.
You said so yourself its not a GT3 nor a Z06 but you make it sound like the E55 can't outhandle a Toyota Corolla, when in fact it can outhandle most cars you'll encounter on the street. Easily any SUV on the planet including the Cayenne.
So what if we like the E55, excuse us, this is an E55 board, we own E55s, why should we be embarassed about being fans of it?
I love my E55. There I said it. I'm sure lots of others feel this way.
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Originally posted by Kain
LMAO! So you are actually proud to say that your E55 AMG can outhandle SUVs??
The new M5 will rape the E55 AMG handling wise and it has a performance transmission unlike the E55 AMG.
LMAO! So you are actually proud to say that your E55 AMG can outhandle SUVs??
The new M5 will rape the E55 AMG handling wise and it has a performance transmission unlike the E55 AMG.
last time I checked the Porsche SUV and the E55 were both faster than an E46 M3 on a race circuit.
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Originally posted by norb
"The E55 is a very quick sedan that can't handle worth a crap."
What's up with this bull**** comment? embarassed about being fans of it?
"The E55 is a very quick sedan that can't handle worth a crap."
What's up with this bull**** comment? embarassed about being fans of it?
As for being embarrassed by some of the posts on this board...I stand by that as well. The E55 isn't the best sports car ever made....it isn't a sports car. Some of the posts on there imply that a BMW is a worthless piece of crap that isn't in the same league as a MB. I expect the M5 will win hands down( but only time will tell)...BMW M has yet to play 2nd fiddle to AMG in the performance category. BMW also has a decisive advantage...MB was 1st to market with the E55....its much easier to modify the new M5 prior to production to beat the E55 with a 2 year window to work within.
"the suck"??
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Originally posted by jkrutch
4100lb cars simply can't handle like 3400lb cars.
4100lb cars simply can't handle like 3400lb cars.
On p. 72 and 73, they claim the curb weight of the 530i is 3,740 lb, and the 545i 325 lb heavier.
So that makes the 545i already at 4,065 lb. Can a V10 quad exhaust M5 be significantly lighter I wonder?
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Good call
A base 545i weighs 1705kg to the EU standard, where the E55 is 1835kg.
Given V10, bigger brakes, SMG and a bunch of expected options, the talk of a 150kg (330lb) lighter car than the E55 is starting to look a bit optimistic.
Remember the E39 M5 had an EU curb weight of around 1800kg.
A base 545i weighs 1705kg to the EU standard, where the E55 is 1835kg.
Given V10, bigger brakes, SMG and a bunch of expected options, the talk of a 150kg (330lb) lighter car than the E55 is starting to look a bit optimistic.
Remember the E39 M5 had an EU curb weight of around 1800kg.
