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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 07:49 PM
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Jerry at EC is a "Magic Man": Dyno tune #s

New dyno tune & I am more than pleased to say the least: 624 whp/607 wtq @ 6100 RPM & 18.65 lbs boost on 93 octane pump gas (it actually hit over 19lbs boost on multiple pulls)! This pull was with the trunk tank iced down & the IAT went from 73F at the beginning of the pull to 140F when the heat caused the power to drop. Jerry says that there is more hp & tq in the motor if we can keep the IATs down. SO, water-meth injection is coming & then another dyno tune. BTW, for those wondering how the MAP sensor didn't trigger limp mode at boost over 17 lbs, Jerry is a magic man.


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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 08:46 PM
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Wow, congrats, whats the pulley combo?
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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 09:03 PM
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Weistec Modular CP: 170mm; Weistec S/C pulley: 62.5mm (Weistec supercharger)
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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 10:23 PM
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Congrats!

What kind of dyno?

Totally bad azz (the engine, dyno #'s, etc). I am guessing you have one of the highest non-NOS E55's (?).

Meth injection will help huge with IAT's. See JMB14's set up. State of the art...

Keep us posted on progress.
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Old Dec 19, 2016 | 08:19 AM
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Thanks. The dyno is EC's dual roller DynoJet in Houston (it's like a Mustang Dyno). The motor is one Jerry built: Darton sleeved out to 5.9L, Mahle pistons, Carrillo rods, ported/polished heads with bigger valves. This tune was after breaking in the engine for a few months & changing the CP from 150mm to a 170mm. She's my daily driver & the power is addicting. I will get another dyno tune after I install the water-meth kit.
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Old Dec 19, 2016 | 09:43 AM
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Old Dec 19, 2016 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rawdvm
Weistec Modular CP: 170mm; Weistec S/C pulley: 62.5mm (Weistec supercharger)
Just saw (more like "internalized") your pulley combo: 170/62. That is AGGRESSIVE! Thanks for answering my questions...

Did you log your pulls? If so, can you post logs?

Also, I would like to see a rolling 60-130 pull on video. Surely you have access to a closed course or airstrip.

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Old Dec 19, 2016 | 04:02 PM
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Congrats! Wonder if Jerry used a similar file to mine. Meth will help you. Ever thought of running the 1/4?
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Congrats! The ECU is dumping fuel early. I bet you would put more down with the older pulley set up and keeping the IATs in line. Meth is a must if you live in Houston. Im in the process of redoing mine right now.
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Awesome, sounds like a staggering amount of safe, daily drive-able power!

Jerry is quite the wizard. I have always appreciated what he has done for my cars : )

the 17 pound ceiling circumvention must have some interesting details (use a MAP sensor scaled for a larger boost sweep and then compensate in the tune? I would be curious to see how your OBD2 boost compares to actual boost)

Great work !!

I look forward to hearing more about it and to you getting many, many miles (and quarter miles : ) of joy out of it !!

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The boost readings were read directly from the intake by the dyno (we attached a line from the dyno to a port on the intake just in front of the MAP sensor).
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Just a guess on my end is that part of the reason Jerry tweaked to allow more boost is you have an upgraded/stronger motor that Euro built?

My sense is this type of "love" (more boost capability) isn't likely readily available for just anyone?

TK
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Originally Posted by BlackHammer
Congrats!

What kind of dyno?

Totally bad azz (the engine, dyno #'s, etc). I am guessing you have one of the highest non-NOS E55's (?).

Meth injection will help huge with IAT's. See JMB14's set up. State of the art...

Keep us posted on progress.
630whp/680wtq, 14psi, stock blower, no spray here...
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Originally Posted by BlackHammer
Just a guess on my end is that part of the reason Jerry tweaked to allow more boost is you have an upgraded/stronger motor that Euro built?

My sense is this type of "love" (more boost capability) isn't likely readily available for just anyone?

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The motor is one Jerry built: Darton sleeved out to 5.9L, Mahle pistons, Carrillo rods, ported/polished heads with bigger valves. This tune was after breaking in the engine for a few months & changing the CP from 150mm to a 170mm. She's my daily driver & the power is addicting. I will get another dyno tune after I install the water-meth kit.
Down the road, I may convert to E-85 & gain more power
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630whp/680wtq, 14psi, stock blower, no spray here...
That's very impressive for a stock blower & no spray. I assume the E-85 helps a lot. Who did the conversion for you? I am thinking about doing an E-85 conversion down the road. Have you had any issues?
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What were the AFRs during the pulls? Cheers
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What were the AFRs during the pulls? Cheers
You can see them on the graph, they are the 2 bottom lines.
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Can't wait to see what kind of times and speeds she puts down at the track(s). Congrats brotha, have fun!
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That's very impressive for a stock blower & no spray. I assume the E-85 helps a lot. Who did the conversion for you? I am thinking about doing an E-85 conversion down the road. Have you had any issues?
I did it myself, I'm currently running AEM 320 pumps in the stock buckets and ID1000s. No other hard part changes have been needed but I plan to convert to full return style in the near future to control pressure better than factory.
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IIRC the AEM's are drop in, hence the reason people use them on this platform. Converting to larger injectors and fuel lines along with a return line would be optimal, just as rock is describing. Chawkins' beast was on the corn for a while, but when I talked to him at Timmayfest he mentioned it was a PITA for everyday use. Along with the tuning there other factors to consider. Is it cold outside? Have to worry about the fuel gelling up. Going on a road trip? I hope you plan your route accordingly so you don't run out of gas in the middle of the desert.

As Ahmad has asked before, Icanhasflexfueltuning, plox?

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