Sadly, but True: AMG goes wrong way - No E55 has a chance against an M5
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Originally posted by BlownV8
krispyKreme, I guess you forgot about all the M engine failures caused by their use of Nickasil to coat the cylinder walls in their aluminum blocks? BMW tried to claim that US gasoline was too high in sulfer and it wasn't their fault that the engines were grenading. After multiple lawsuits and really bad press, BMW started repairing, replacing, and extending the warranties on the engines. If BMW is so great at engineering, why couldn't they get the Nickasil coated blocks to work for them? Porsche has been using the stuff for over 20 years and they have not had any issues.
BMW has had many issues with the new generation of M engines too. Seek the information on all the M engines that self distructed and you will not to look too far. Truth is, high revving engines are not as reliable as those that are low revving. When you greatly increase the revs you also greatly increase the centrifugal force against that piston as well as forces against the valve springs. Rev too high and your valves will float and crash into the pistons. For the street, I'll take a lower revving higher displacement supercharged or turbocharged engine any day over a smaller higher revving normally aspirated engine.
krispyKreme, I guess you forgot about all the M engine failures caused by their use of Nickasil to coat the cylinder walls in their aluminum blocks? BMW tried to claim that US gasoline was too high in sulfer and it wasn't their fault that the engines were grenading. After multiple lawsuits and really bad press, BMW started repairing, replacing, and extending the warranties on the engines. If BMW is so great at engineering, why couldn't they get the Nickasil coated blocks to work for them? Porsche has been using the stuff for over 20 years and they have not had any issues.
BMW has had many issues with the new generation of M engines too. Seek the information on all the M engines that self distructed and you will not to look too far. Truth is, high revving engines are not as reliable as those that are low revving. When you greatly increase the revs you also greatly increase the centrifugal force against that piston as well as forces against the valve springs. Rev too high and your valves will float and crash into the pistons. For the street, I'll take a lower revving higher displacement supercharged or turbocharged engine any day over a smaller higher revving normally aspirated engine.
As I have stated it clearly. Outside the 2002 batch on the high rev M3, everything else is fine. You are talking about 100+ cases within in certain date range, and is not a reflection of entire engine.
BMW had problems with their 1st V8 on E34. The problem has been resolved and has been fine with E39.
Your post did not prove that M engines would self-destruct after 100,000 km of use.
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Reliable M3's:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=m3+...fr=fp-tab-web-
Reliable M5's:
t&cop=mss&tab=http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=235267
I like this 2001 M5 owners response to his engine problems:
"only engine problem was a thrown rod at 19,459 miles. Second engine was defective (found out before isntall; only 80% compression b/c of scored cylinders); third engine works like a charm, and car drives better than when new. SES light went on for first time at 21,000, but turned off at 21,300. "
Makes you want to go out and buy a BMW doesn't it? Funny how he said the "only" problem he had was a thrown rod at less than 20,000 miles. LMAO!
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=m3+...fr=fp-tab-web-
Reliable M5's:
t&cop=mss&tab=http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=235267
I like this 2001 M5 owners response to his engine problems:
"only engine problem was a thrown rod at 19,459 miles. Second engine was defective (found out before isntall; only 80% compression b/c of scored cylinders); third engine works like a charm, and car drives better than when new. SES light went on for first time at 21,000, but turned off at 21,300. "
Makes you want to go out and buy a BMW doesn't it? Funny how he said the "only" problem he had was a thrown rod at less than 20,000 miles. LMAO!
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Originally posted by Beltfed
Too bad all of the new BMWs look like crap.
Too bad all of the new BMWs look like crap.
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Originally posted by cte430
Hey beltfed, haven't seen you here in a while. You get rid of your E? I just upgraded a few weeks ago.
Hey beltfed, haven't seen you here in a while. You get rid of your E? I just upgraded a few weeks ago.
Congrats on your new E55, just in time for the nice weather!!!
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04 E55
Originally posted by BlownV8
Reliable M3's:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=m3+...fr=fp-tab-web-
Reliable M5's:
t&cop=mss&tab=http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=235267
Makes you want to go out and buy a BMW doesn't it? Funny how he said the "only" problem he had was a thrown rod at less than 20,000 miles. LMAO!
Reliable M3's:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=m3+...fr=fp-tab-web-
Reliable M5's:
t&cop=mss&tab=http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=235267
Makes you want to go out and buy a BMW doesn't it? Funny how he said the "only" problem he had was a thrown rod at less than 20,000 miles. LMAO!
I do admit BMW tends to have problem with newly introduced engine in the 1st year or so. However, there is no evidence to point that all BMW M engine would prone to failure after 100,000 km of usage, when in fact after 1st year problems, those engine are quiet durable.
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"Like I said earlier. It was earlier batch that has the problem. And cars affected on the M5 were manf before 11/00. "
Uh, I guess you didn't pay attention to the above guys 2001 M5. It took three engines to get one that did not grenade.
Uh, I guess you didn't pay attention to the above guys 2001 M5. It took three engines to get one that did not grenade.
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krispykreme, You calling me a redneck? Oh, you have resorted to name calling? The pot calling the kettle black there buddy?
Funny how KK only comes and posts on BMW related posts.
Still getting 2 M5's? That would be first year production M5's right? Or are you going back on your word?
Yea, I'm not going to forget that you posted right here on this board, that you are going to get 2 M5's and making one of them a track car. I still say your the biggest BSer on the board, but if you prove it, I'll gladly eat my words, us Texans are big enough to do that.
Funny how KK only comes and posts on BMW related posts.
Still getting 2 M5's? That would be first year production M5's right? Or are you going back on your word?
Yea, I'm not going to forget that you posted right here on this board, that you are going to get 2 M5's and making one of them a track car. I still say your the biggest BSer on the board, but if you prove it, I'll gladly eat my words, us Texans are big enough to do that.
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I ALWAYS read with extreme interest and credulity all post that begin either...my dad's car or what my dad's goin to do. There is a wellspring of wisdom and experience that I know I am going to be able to use.
And btw, stop this redneck name callin...If you ain't from Sweet home Alabama, you have no rightful claim to the title.
And btw, stop this redneck name callin...If you ain't from Sweet home Alabama, you have no rightful claim to the title.
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04 E55
Originally posted by BlownV8
"Like I said earlier. It was earlier batch that has the problem. And cars affected on the M5 were manf before 11/00. "
Uh, I guess you didn't pay attention to the above guys 2001 M5. It took three engines to get one that did not grenade.
"Like I said earlier. It was earlier batch that has the problem. And cars affected on the M5 were manf before 11/00. "
Uh, I guess you didn't pay attention to the above guys 2001 M5. It took three engines to get one that did not grenade.
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I don't think I've ever come acorss an M3/5 with more than 100K on the clock and no engine problems. The simple fact of the matter is, EVERY engine has a certain life expectancy. But it is true that the 5.0 Mercedes V8 will do 300K before a major overhaul is needed. F1 engines and higher revving engines can't do this. Thats is why ferrari knows that their cars will never be driven for 100K miles and thats why they take chances by making 9000rpm redlining engines. Everyone here will agree, BMW is more reliable than Ferrari, but still 9000rpm, is suicide for any engine if you want it to last above 100K miles. Which is what Mercedes wants, and since AMG is governed by Mercedes rules and regulations, I trust their engines a whole lot more, and many others do too.
And as for BMW Vs. AMG, jeeze, we should all replace the word "cliche" in our vocab to "M vs AMG"
FOR EVERY PORSCHE/BMW M CUSTOMER, AMG ATTRACT, THEY WILL LOSE 5 OF THEIR OWN...GET OVER IT!
And as for BMW Vs. AMG, jeeze, we should all replace the word "cliche" in our vocab to "M vs AMG"
FOR EVERY PORSCHE/BMW M CUSTOMER, AMG ATTRACT, THEY WILL LOSE 5 OF THEIR OWN...GET OVER IT!
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Originally posted by Bilal
I don't think I've ever come acorss an M3/5 with more than 100K on the clock and no engine problems. The simple fact of the matter is, EVERY engine has a certain life expectancy. But it is true that the 5.0 Mercedes V8 will do 300K before a major overhaul is needed. F1 engines and higher revving engines can't do this. Thats is why ferrari knows that their cars will never be driven for 100K miles and thats why they take chances by making 9000rpm redlining engines. Everyone here will agree, BMW is more reliable than Ferrari, but still 9000rpm, is suicide for any engine if you want it to last above 100K miles. Which is what Mercedes wants, and since AMG is governed by Mercedes rules and regulations, I trust their engines a whole lot more, and many others do too.
And as for BMW Vs. AMG, jeeze, we should all replace the word "cliche" in our vocab to "M vs AMG"
FOR EVERY PORSCHE/BMW M CUSTOMER, AMG ATTRACT, THEY WILL LOSE 5 OF THEIR OWN...GET OVER IT!
I don't think I've ever come acorss an M3/5 with more than 100K on the clock and no engine problems. The simple fact of the matter is, EVERY engine has a certain life expectancy. But it is true that the 5.0 Mercedes V8 will do 300K before a major overhaul is needed. F1 engines and higher revving engines can't do this. Thats is why ferrari knows that their cars will never be driven for 100K miles and thats why they take chances by making 9000rpm redlining engines. Everyone here will agree, BMW is more reliable than Ferrari, but still 9000rpm, is suicide for any engine if you want it to last above 100K miles. Which is what Mercedes wants, and since AMG is governed by Mercedes rules and regulations, I trust their engines a whole lot more, and many others do too.
And as for BMW Vs. AMG, jeeze, we should all replace the word "cliche" in our vocab to "M vs AMG"
FOR EVERY PORSCHE/BMW M CUSTOMER, AMG ATTRACT, THEY WILL LOSE 5 OF THEIR OWN...GET OVER IT!
However, stating that M engines would not live past 100,000 KM or (62.5k miles) is just idiotic.
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However, stating that M engines would not live past 100,000 KM or (62.5k miles) is just idiotic.
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max go read http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=31701
"I just got back from picking up my car (another new engine!) and I asked the dealer about this topic. They said they have heard the same thing. They said BMW can't get a handle on the engine issues and decided to cut it short because of this. They figured with all the warrantly work on these cars, it has been a money loosing car for them."
mercedes doesn't suck for just having compressors cause bmw can't even control their own...
"I just got back from picking up my car (another new engine!) and I asked the dealer about this topic. They said they have heard the same thing. They said BMW can't get a handle on the engine issues and decided to cut it short because of this. They figured with all the warrantly work on these cars, it has been a money loosing car for them."
mercedes doesn't suck for just having compressors cause bmw can't even control their own...
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Originally posted by krispykrme
I know for the fact that there are differences between life expectancy of different types of engine.
However, stating that M engines would not live past 100,000 KM or (62.5k miles) is just idiotic.
I know for the fact that there are differences between life expectancy of different types of engine.
However, stating that M engines would not live past 100,000 KM or (62.5k miles) is just idiotic.
but 3 times longer? i dont think so.
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Yeah, i'd say that AMG engines are really strong and tough.
BTW, how did AMG manage to increase the redline to 6700RPM on the M113 from 6000RPM? The older ones used in the W210 E55 had a 6000RPM redline.
BTW, how did AMG manage to increase the redline to 6700RPM on the M113 from 6000RPM? The older ones used in the W210 E55 had a 6000RPM redline.
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Max_e55,
Congrats on stirring the pot. Your comments are opionion and not based on facts. By chance is Max_E55 an alias for another id?
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Congrats on stirring the pot. Your comments are opionion and not based on facts. By chance is Max_E55 an alias for another id?
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Max_e55,
Congrats on stirring the pot. Your comments are opionion and not based on facts. By chance is Max_E55 an alias for another id?
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Max_e55,
Congrats on stirring the pot. Your comments are opionion and not based on facts. By chance is Max_E55 an alias for another id?
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I seriously do not understand why people come in here and make comments about MB when we don't do the same thing to Bimmer or even Audi.
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Originally posted by Jon200
He came in, said a few comments and left
I seriously do not understand why people come in here and make comments about MB when we don't do the same thing to Bimmer or even Audi.
He came in, said a few comments and left
I seriously do not understand why people come in here and make comments about MB when we don't do the same thing to Bimmer or even Audi.
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Of all the lines in the original post, my fav is the one about compressor engines just having power "on the paper" Boy, we live in a world where even the common folk are masters of spin. But the apples and oranges reference is very true. Neither brand has it all so a buyer really has to decide what makes them happiest. If you truly love the experience that an M car can provide, you have to discount the cosmetics and go for the E60.
