krispykrme

Nope, you are talking about the V8 on the E34. Not M related issue (as i am not aware of other M engine issues) All M engines are made up of Iron not aluminum.

As I have stated it clearly. Outside the 2002 batch on the high rev M3, everything else is fine. You are talking about 100+ cases within in certain date range, and is not a reflection of entire engine.

BMW had problems with their 1st V8 on E34. The problem has been resolved and has been fine with E39.

Your post did not prove that M engines would self-destruct after 100,000 km of use.

BlownV8

Reliable M3's:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=m3+...fr=fp-tab-web-

Reliable M5's:
t&cop=mss&tab=http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=235267


I like this 2001 M5 owners response to his engine problems:

"only engine problem was a thrown rod at 19,459 miles. Second engine was defective (found out before isntall; only 80% compression b/c of scored cylinders); third engine works like a charm, and car drives better than when new. SES light went on for first time at 21,000, but turned off at 21,300. "

Makes you want to go out and buy a BMW doesn't it? Funny how he said the "only" problem he had was a thrown rod at less than 20,000 miles. LMAO!

cte430

Hey beltfed, haven't seen you here in a while. You get rid of your E? I just upgraded a few weeks ago.

Beltfed

What's going on, yeah the replacement E is still around (have a 30 month lease on it). Will be over next May/June, still debating on what to do next.

Congrats on your new E55, just in time for the nice weather!!!

krispykrme

Like I said earlier. It was earlier batch that has the problem. And cars affected on the M5 were manf before 11/00.

I do admit BMW tends to have problem with newly introduced engine in the 1st year or so. However, there is no evidence to point that all BMW M engine would prone to failure after 100,000 km of usage, when in fact after 1st year problems, those engine are quiet durable.

BlownV8

"Like I said earlier. It was earlier batch that has the problem. And cars affected on the M5 were manf before 11/00. "

Uh, I guess you didn't pay attention to the above guys 2001 M5. It took three engines to get one that did not grenade.

norb

krispykreme, You calling me a redneck? Oh, you have resorted to name calling? The pot calling the kettle black there buddy?

Funny how KK only comes and posts on BMW related posts.

Still getting 2 M5's? That would be first year production M5's right? Or are you going back on your word?

Yea, I'm not going to forget that you posted right here on this board, that you are going to get 2 M5's and making one of them a track car. I still say your the biggest BSer on the board, but if you prove it, I'll gladly eat my words, us Texans are big enough to do that.

imthduke

I ALWAYS read with extreme interest and credulity all post that begin either...my dad's car or what my dad's goin to do. There is a wellspring of wisdom and experience that I know I am going to be able to use.

And btw, stop this redneck name callin...If you ain't from Sweet home Alabama, you have no rightful claim to the title.

krispykrme

01 M5 means the car is either made from 09/00 to 04/01. So he could be in that range. In addition, if you are going to classify one case as indictive of entire engine range. Same can holds true for my defective E55. Because my E55 has defective airmatic, you don't see me classify airmatic is un-reliable or a piece of crap.

Bilal

I don't think I've ever come acorss an M3/5 with more than 100K on the clock and no engine problems. The simple fact of the matter is, EVERY engine has a certain life expectancy. But it is true that the 5.0 Mercedes V8 will do 300K before a major overhaul is needed. F1 engines and higher revving engines can't do this. Thats is why ferrari knows that their cars will never be driven for 100K miles and thats why they take chances by making 9000rpm redlining engines. Everyone here will agree, BMW is more reliable than Ferrari, but still 9000rpm, is suicide for any engine if you want it to last above 100K miles. Which is what Mercedes wants, and since AMG is governed by Mercedes rules and regulations, I trust their engines a whole lot more, and many others do too.


And as for BMW Vs. AMG, jeeze, we should all replace the word "cliche" in our vocab to "M vs AMG"

FOR EVERY PORSCHE/BMW M CUSTOMER, AMG ATTRACT, THEY WILL LOSE 5 OF THEIR OWN...GET OVER IT!

krispykrme

I know for the fact that there are differences between life expectancy of different types of engine.

However, stating that M engines would not live past 100,000 KM or (62.5k miles) is just idiotic.

norb

Oh and believe krispykreme, he knows idiotic statments. He's the King of them.

Bilal

Norb


krispy, I meant 100K "MILES"

Bux

max go read http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=31701

"I just got back from picking up my car (another new engine!) and I asked the dealer about this topic. They said they have heard the same thing. They said BMW can't get a handle on the engine issues and decided to cut it short because of this. They figured with all the warrantly work on these cars, it has been a money loosing car for them."


mercedes doesn't suck for just having compressors cause bmw can't even control their own...

KL316

yea man... im pretty certain that M cars would live beyond 62.5k miles... but i really doubt that amg cars will live 3 times as long as m cars... but i DO think that they will live long enough to justify their method of FI and lower revving engines oevr bmw's M high revving NA.

but 3 times longer? i dont think so.

GDawgC220

Don't under-estimate MB AMG engines...I've seen a lot of C36's over 200k miles as well as a lot of C43's with over 100k miles. Maybe not 3 times as long but pretty darn close.

MB AMG

Yeah, i'd say that AMG engines are really strong and tough.
BTW, how did AMG manage to increase the redline to 6700RPM on the M113 from 6000RPM? The older ones used in the W210 E55 had a 6000RPM redline.

MB Fanatic

Can anyone say TROLL. i just love this smilie.

e55 baller

Max_e55,

Congrats on stirring the pot. Your comments are opionion and not based on facts. By chance is Max_E55 an alias for another id?

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Jon200

He came in, said a few comments and left

I seriously do not understand why people come in here and make comments about MB when we don't do the same thing to Bimmer or even Audi.

AMG FANATIC

It's like I said in another post - If you can't get to somebody else's standard, bring them down to your's!! BTW, I killed an M3, but I didn't post that in a BM forum.

MB AMG

My dad this my dad that lol.

W210

Two words to explain why so many BMW fans visit here and make a fool of themselves.

Insecurity complex.

EDWARD CONROY

Of all the lines in the original post, my fav is the one about compressor engines just having power "on the paper" Boy, we live in a world where even the common folk are masters of spin. But the apples and oranges reference is very true. Neither brand has it all so a buyer really has to decide what makes them happiest. If you truly love the experience that an M car can provide, you have to discount the cosmetics and go for the E60.

Jon200

Don't let the killings go unnoticed