E65 ///amg
07-16-2004, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by reggid
True, but why not do this to current E55 i think it would be a slightly simpler process to tune the 5.5 a little rather than fitting the V12. This would allow them to focus more on improving its weaker points such as its dynamics. Power is definately not AMG's weakness so why goto the extreme, everybody knows they can get what ever power and torque that they want so there is no real need to actually go and put it into practice. Above a certain point there becomes too much hp to be usable, IMO anyway.
power is part of marketing and putting a V12 into the E class has a lot to do with marketing as well.
07-16-2004, 04:15 AM
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There is no such thing as too much power. However too much weight is a different proposition and I think the 12 in the E is a mistake.
Any comparison of the new M5 and the E65 is a joke. Dynamically the M5 will walk all over and around it, sure the E will win on the Autobahn, but that's all.
I agree with some of the other posters here, AMG need to fix the dynamics of the car, getting power is not an issue.
Any comparison of the new M5 and the E65 is a joke. Dynamically the M5 will walk all over and around it, sure the E will win on the Autobahn, but that's all.
I agree with some of the other posters here, AMG need to fix the dynamics of the car, getting power is not an issue.
07-16-2004, 04:35 AM
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surely its too much,the e55 can only just handle its power,and even then its purely its electronics that keep it on the road.
Is this the future ,vastly overpowered cars that require no driving skill ?
AMG's strategy should be re-thought,BMW have given them a golden opportunity with the poor design of the 5 series to drive a clear gap between the e-class and the 5 series.
The e55 will if it is slower than the m5 be only fractionally slower,AMG should make it into a better drivers car and eradicate its faults beofre looking to increase the HP.
An e-65 might be much faster than the new m5 (which it won't because of the law of diminishing returns on power deliveries,where it will be significantly faster will be at irrelevant speeds).
It has actually become a joke now,AMG have become predictable ..BMW/Audi bring out car..amg bring out faster car ..talk about ***** envy.
Sort it our AMG.
Is this the future ,vastly overpowered cars that require no driving skill ?
AMG's strategy should be re-thought,BMW have given them a golden opportunity with the poor design of the 5 series to drive a clear gap between the e-class and the 5 series.
The e55 will if it is slower than the m5 be only fractionally slower,AMG should make it into a better drivers car and eradicate its faults beofre looking to increase the HP.
An e-65 might be much faster than the new m5 (which it won't because of the law of diminishing returns on power deliveries,where it will be significantly faster will be at irrelevant speeds).
It has actually become a joke now,AMG have become predictable ..BMW/Audi bring out car..amg bring out faster car ..talk about ***** envy.
Sort it our AMG.
07-16-2004, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by stephens
There is no such thing as too much power. However too much weight is a different proposition and I think the 12 in the E is a mistake.
Any comparison of the new M5 and the E65 is a joke. Dynamically the M5 will walk all over and around it, sure the E will win on the Autobahn, but that's all.
I agree with some of the other posters here, AMG need to fix the dynamics of the car, getting power is not an issue.
Any comparison of the new M5 and the E65 is a joke. Dynamically the M5 will walk all over and around it, sure the E will win on the Autobahn, but that's all.
I agree with some of the other posters here, AMG need to fix the dynamics of the car, getting power is not an issue.
do u think that by working more towards dynamics, AMG defeats the philosophy of their vehicles? 
07-16-2004, 03:58 PM
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yes AMG are soo predictable, cramming in more horsepower into the E will only make it more undriveable . the driver feedback and balance will be awful, it will be like one of those pike peak cars with too much horsepower. amg need to really concentrating on making it more appealing to drive, not just straight line speed. i can tell you no bmw e39 driver cares that the e55 can get to 60mph 0.1-2 seconds quicker, or get to 100 a few seconds quicker. bmw drivers do however car that the M5 has the most incredible driver feedback and driveability factor. amg need to start with this principle first, then focus on HP etc. only then will new AMgs be a credible match for bmws driveability.
07-16-2004, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jdub87(im back)
yes AMG are soo predictable, cramming in more horsepower into the E will only make it more undriveable . the driver feedback and balance will be awful, it will be like one of those pike peak cars with too much horsepower. amg need to really concentrating on making it more appealing to drive, not just straight line speed. i can tell you no bmw e39 driver cares that the e55 can get to 60mph 0.1-2 seconds quicker, or get to 100 a few seconds quicker. bmw drivers do however car that the M5 has the most incredible driver feedback and driveability factor. amg need to start with this principle first, then focus on HP etc. only then will new AMgs be a credible match for bmws driveability.
07-17-2004, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub87(im back)
yes AMG are soo predictable, cramming in more horsepower into the E will only make it more undriveable . the driver feedback and balance will be awful, it will be like one of those pike peak cars with too much horsepower. amg need to really concentrating on making it more appealing to drive, not just straight line speed. i can tell you no bmw e39 driver cares that the e55 can get to 60mph 0.1-2 seconds quicker, or get to 100 a few seconds quicker. bmw drivers do however car that the M5 has the most incredible driver feedback and driveability factor. amg need to start with this principle first, then focus on HP etc. only then will new AMgs be a credible match for bmws driveability.
07-17-2004, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank Wiesmann
Jbub87, Maybe some people value comfort more than nimble handling. Personally, I like that fact that Mercedes is staying true to its comfort oriented philosphy and not building stiff so-called sports cars like everybody else. Nowadays, even luxury cars, minivans and pickups need to be sporty! Give me a break. Look at the weight of an M5: Sure it may handle a bit better than an AMG, but it is certainly no sports car, and the brakes are underwhelming. If I want a sports car, I'll buy a real one, like a Porsche or a Lotus Elise. Everything else is just something in between. Then I would rather have more comfort and the comforting feeling of the torque of the E55 than some high revving ultra stiff car that you can't use in everyday traffic anyways wíthout risking your driver's license!
07-17-2004, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub87(im back)
yes AMG are soo predictable, cramming in more horsepower into the E will only make it more undriveable . the driver feedback and balance will be awful, it will be like one of those pike peak cars with too much horsepower. amg need to really concentrating on making it more appealing to drive, not just straight line speed. i can tell you no bmw e39 driver cares that the e55 can get to 60mph 0.1-2 seconds quicker, or get to 100 a few seconds quicker. bmw drivers do however car that the M5 has the most incredible driver feedback and driveability factor. amg need to start with this principle first, then focus on HP etc. only then will new AMgs be a credible match for bmws driveability.
They aren't made to be 100% driver's cars, m-cars might communicate better with the drivers but they aren't comfortable day cruisers, my back still hurts after riding in the M3 with the optional 19" rims cos the ride was so harsh
07-17-2004, 11:21 AM
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do you know the philosophy of AMG vehicles? They aren't made to be 100% driver's cars, m-cars might communicate better with the drivers but they aren't comfortable day cruisers, my back still hurts after riding in the M3 with the optional 19" rims cos the ride was so harsh
07-17-2004, 11:24 AM
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Everyone, report bad post on J-dub. This sucker needs his IP completely banned, and is a big of our times, and you know it.
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07-17-2004, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jdub87(im back)
how can you even comment on this. you have a c200k- come back when you have the money to afford these cars, until then go to your c class forum. this is big boy ****. Bmws are comfortable enough for me so im not complaining.
07-18-2004, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub87(im back)
how can you even comment on this. you have a c200k- come back when you have the money to afford these cars, until then go to your c class forum. this is big boy ****. Bmws are comfortable enough for me so im not complaining.
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07-18-2004, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdub87(im back)
why? im just engaging a little bit of competition
come back when u hv a car
07-18-2004, 05:22 AM
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Come on... Don't you see where Jdub is, there's always a problem ? Maybe that rich boy drives a 91' Camry ...
Go back on BMW forums and please let us talking (i said talking and not "engaging competition")
Go back on BMW forums and please let us talking (i said talking and not "engaging competition")
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Originally Posted by AMG FANATIC
Might destroy it? 
It will absolutely blow it away. 
As it is the current E55 will be a tough match for it.
It will absolutely blow it away. As it is the current E55 will be a tough match for it.
Whenever you get into questioning the journalistic integrity of so many reviews in the bottom of your heart you know it's a lost cause.
Save you arguments for the nex E55 AMG when I'm sure the tables will be turned!
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Originally Posted by rake55
I was in Germany last week and stopped by AMG in Affalterbach. On the showroom floor they had an E65 ///AMG!!! Here is what I found out. AMG is currently making the E65 as a special order car for European customers. Dino from AMG told me with a huge smile on his face that there is no "Official" word as to whether the E65 will become a normal production car but it's a possibility. This particular E65 was something like 612 HP and 1000 lb. ft. of torque. It would be awesome if Mercedes offered the E65 for sale in the US, maybe as a 2006 model. I also got to see the HWA (AMG) CLK-DTM as it was taking a stroll down Diamlerstrasse.
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Hmm so it's not gonna be a V8 6.3L s/c 475 hp???
