It will absolutely blow it away. 
As it is the current E55 will be a tough match for it.
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I was in Germany last week and stopped by AMG in Affalterbach. On the showroom floor they had an E65 ///AMG!!! Here is what I found out. AMG is currently making the E65 as a special order car for European customers. Dino from AMG told me with a huge smile on his face that there is no "Official" word as to whether the E65 will become a normal production car but it's a possibility. This particular E65 was something like 612 HP and 1000 lb. ft. of torque. It would be awesome if Mercedes offered the E65 for sale in the US, maybe as a 2006 model. I also got to see the HWA (AMG) CLK-DTM as it was taking a stroll down Diamlerstrasse.
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Hey Rake55, did you get to hear the exhaust on the CLK-DTM. Dino let me start it up when I visited AMG and it was LOUD.
Did they quote any zero to 60 times for the E65?
Did they quote any zero to 60 times for the E65?
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maybe i have the first pics of the E65. look at this front bumper. its the F1-style, the same that the SL65 uses. actually its not avalible for the E-Class, but there must be a reason for this AMG prototype.
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Rather than putting in the V12TT, I would be happier with the SLR motor. This would give better power and less weight. I know the V12 is detuned for the transmission, but the V8 can produce the same torque with more HP and pull the power for an extra 750rpm.
The E55 handling is already compromised, why not build a better handling upspeced V8? AMG has proven they can do this with the new C55, which from all accounts is not as "hard core" in the handling stakes as its nemesis, the M3, but is certainly considered a beautifully balanced car for street use.
Bottom line, more power, less weight, better handling.
The E55 handling is already compromised, why not build a better handling upspeced V8? AMG has proven they can do this with the new C55, which from all accounts is not as "hard core" in the handling stakes as its nemesis, the M3, but is certainly considered a beautifully balanced car for street use.
Bottom line, more power, less weight, better handling.
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It wasn't long ago that people where commenting that the E60 M5 hadn't been released and that the BMW followers were making judgements on specifications written on paper only.
Now their is talk about how the E65 will smash the E60 M5 and it too is speculation still. Sounds like a bit of hypocrisy to me, has nobody faith in the W211's ability to defend its crown. :p
I think the E65 will be overkill too much weight etc as stephens said.We don't won't a 2+ tonne car.
the 5.5 V8 has potential and developing it would be a better way to go.
I'd like to think that AMG are not so 1 dimensional in developing their cars.
If the E65 goes ahead as planned and speculated then it will be hard to call it a competitor to the E60 since it will only have the size in common its dynamics will be more like a 760.
Now their is talk about how the E65 will smash the E60 M5 and it too is speculation still. Sounds like a bit of hypocrisy to me, has nobody faith in the W211's ability to defend its crown. :p
I think the E65 will be overkill too much weight etc as stephens said.We don't won't a 2+ tonne car.
the 5.5 V8 has potential and developing it would be a better way to go.
I'd like to think that AMG are not so 1 dimensional in developing their cars.
If the E65 goes ahead as planned and speculated then it will be hard to call it a competitor to the E60 since it will only have the size in common its dynamics will be more like a 760.
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Hey Rake55, did you get to hear the exhaust on the CLK-DTM. Dino let me start it up when I visited AMG and it was LOUD.
Did they quote any zero to 60 times for the E65?
Did they quote any zero to 60 times for the E65?
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I agree that the SLR motor is a beast but AMG and HWA are going to reserve it for specialty cars like the SLR and HWA CLK-DTM. Putting that motor into regular AMG production vehicles would minimize its allure. The SLR motor would certainly make the E handle better than the V-12 but the E is not all about handling it's an Autobahn burner. Keep in mind that the 6.5 AMG 12 has about 1,000 lb. ft. of torque. Torque is king when it comes to acceleration and driving on the autobahn. Car and Driver tested a regular SL 600 at 0-60 in 3.6 sec and the 1/4 mile in 11.9. Can you imagine the AMG version of that motor in the lighter E class? My guess is that you’d be approaching the low 3’s and low 11’s.
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I would get an E65 in a heart beat. Can you image that the engine is detuned because of too much torque for the tranmission. What I would want is an E65 tuned to handle 850-900lbs of torque which is what the engine is suppose to be able to put out. Like I said before, I would beg AMG to bring it to the US. Most of us never get to the track so going straight line fast is all we have here in the real world of living.
Do you know if we can order one and have them ship it to us here in the states?
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Do you know if we can order one and have them ship it to us here in the states?
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I really have no doubt that AMG will release an E65AMG as a response to the E60 M5.
But I have a feeling the engine will really be detuned so it won't destroy the SL65 AMG or the CL65 AMG, which are supposed to be mercedes' top of the line vehicles.
I'm definately not a fan of that bumper, and I don't see how it's "F1-inspired" as they generally don't have bumpers/intakes down there.
With the E55 already having traction problems launching, i would cringe to think of what the V12tt would do to current set of tires offered on the E55. I hope AMG decides to put some wider track in the 65 when it's released.
I'm looking forward to seeing this car in action and seeing if AMG will work out the E55's shortcomings (which definately isn't the power output
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But I have a feeling the engine will really be detuned so it won't destroy the SL65 AMG or the CL65 AMG, which are supposed to be mercedes' top of the line vehicles.
I'm definately not a fan of that bumper, and I don't see how it's "F1-inspired" as they generally don't have bumpers/intakes down there.
With the E55 already having traction problems launching, i would cringe to think of what the V12tt would do to current set of tires offered on the E55. I hope AMG decides to put some wider track in the 65 when it's released.
I'm looking forward to seeing this car in action and seeing if AMG will work out the E55's shortcomings (which definately isn't the power output
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Did you see that the new CLS55 AMG will have 255 in front and 285 in the rear. I think that would be a great start. And from what I hear, a Limited Slip Diff is offered in Europe. Those would be great additions to the E55 as well as the E65.
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Originally Posted by rake55
I was in Germany last week and stopped by AMG in Affalterbach. On the showroom floor they had an E65 ///AMG!!! I also got to see the HWA (AMG) CLK-DTM as it was taking a stroll down Diamlerstrasse.
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E65 would be competition for the E60 BMW M5???
Heck, the E60 isn't likely to be (reproducibly) faster than CURRENT E55!
The new SL65 is reported to run under 3.7 0-60, and the current SL55 is slower than the current E55. You draw your own conclusions. (Yes, MB would likely detune the E65 slightly IMO).
I have been told by AMG there are no plans for E65 delivery to the USA. (Of course, that could change, I suppose).
Heck, the E60 isn't likely to be (reproducibly) faster than CURRENT E55!
The new SL65 is reported to run under 3.7 0-60, and the current SL55 is slower than the current E55. You draw your own conclusions. (Yes, MB would likely detune the E65 slightly IMO).
I have been told by AMG there are no plans for E65 delivery to the USA. (Of course, that could change, I suppose).
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While there are rumors of E65's and C65's I think these motors will be NA big bore V8's and not the bi-turbo V12. I would not want to buy a V12 W211 for the V8 version is very nose heavy as is.
That car in the pic clearly has a different motor for it has the small secondary intercooler used in the C215 and the W220 Kompressor V8's. My car has no such secondary intercooler but on days like today I sure wish it did (105 deg. ambient temp.).
That could be an upgraded Kompressor V8 motor to power the so called performance package E55 said to be in the works. There is a performance package SL55 in Europe and sources had said that AMG was building an E55 version of that vehicle. This would help the car equal the M5 and the RS6 factory upgrade. The Sport Pack SL55 has that same style front bumper so I could be right but I could also be very wrong!
What shocks me is that there is no 2 piece rotor for that front brake and if that were a seriously fast car there would HAVE TO BE a 2 piece break rotor. The E55 as is can not take extended track use let alone a care with more power and more weight! Look closely and that rotor is cracked
Someone has been driving hard! Wish it were me!
That car in the pic clearly has a different motor for it has the small secondary intercooler used in the C215 and the W220 Kompressor V8's. My car has no such secondary intercooler but on days like today I sure wish it did (105 deg. ambient temp.).
That could be an upgraded Kompressor V8 motor to power the so called performance package E55 said to be in the works. There is a performance package SL55 in Europe and sources had said that AMG was building an E55 version of that vehicle. This would help the car equal the M5 and the RS6 factory upgrade. The Sport Pack SL55 has that same style front bumper so I could be right but I could also be very wrong!
What shocks me is that there is no 2 piece rotor for that front brake and if that were a seriously fast car there would HAVE TO BE a 2 piece break rotor. The E55 as is can not take extended track use let alone a care with more power and more weight! Look closely and that rotor is cracked
Someone has been driving hard! Wish it were me!
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The torque value of 1000 ft-lb (1335 N-m) sounds very high, i thought it was 1000 N-m for the V12tt. Otherwise they'd not be able to produce a gearbox to handle it.
I think when there is this much power and torque traction becomes an issue so the times can't get that much better than the e55 (using road rubber anyway).
So 0-60 definelty won't improve much, but at speeds above this it is a different story.
What is AMG trying to achieve? Is it just bragging rights? They could take more of BMW target market if they developed the current E55. BMW are not aiming to beat AMG at the so called power war so AMG is really only fighting against itself. What would be the next model, they have to leave some room for upgrade of future models. Most of the performance would likely be unuseable and a waste of money in most parts of the world.
I think when there is this much power and torque traction becomes an issue so the times can't get that much better than the e55 (using road rubber anyway).
So 0-60 definelty won't improve much, but at speeds above this it is a different story.
What is AMG trying to achieve? Is it just bragging rights? They could take more of BMW target market if they developed the current E55. BMW are not aiming to beat AMG at the so called power war so AMG is really only fighting against itself. What would be the next model, they have to leave some room for upgrade of future models. Most of the performance would likely be unuseable and a waste of money in most parts of the world.
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What is AMG trying to achieve? Is it just bragging rights? They could take more of BMW target market if they developed the current E55. BMW are not aiming to beat AMG at the so called power war so AMG is really only fighting against itself. What would be the next model, they have to leave some room for upgrade of future models. Most of the performance would likely be unuseable and a waste of money in most parts of the world.
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good question but If MB stays with forced induction with the E class AMGs, they have the basic plantform to build from, all they have to do is tweak the current settings to get various HP outputs
